Why isn't Fields trying to keep Kramer?

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:11 pm

oldcatfan wrote:You people dissing Fields for Kramer leaving are living in a dream world. Why are you looking around for a reason besides the real one: Kramer WANTS to go. What's so wrong with that? It doesn't reflect poorly on us--this is a great opportunity for MSU--let's make the best of it. He was great, but there are other great people out there.

Fields is the best thing that happened to MSU athletics since pre-Fullerton days. He wants to win as bad as we all do and also wants a first rate program. I also hear everybody up there likes working for him. Anyone who has ever been around college athletics knows there is always push and pull between coaches and ADs.

kstack · Post by **kstack** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:23 pm

My buddy Tanner thinks that Kramer simply feels like he has maxed out the resources at MSU and feels he has accomplished everything he could at this school, on-the-field-wise. Any thoughts?

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:23 pm

I agree. Change isn't always bad. Change is opportunity.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:31 pm

kstack wrote:My buddy Tanner thinks that Kramer simply feels like he has maxed out the resources at MSU and feels he has accomplished everything he could at this school, on-the-field-wise. Any thoughts?

It isn't that he's "maxed out" the program rather he has the chance at his dream job for more money

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 4:32 pm

kstack wrote:My buddy Tanner thinks that Kramer simply feels like he has maxed out the resources at MSU and feels he has accomplished everything he could at this school, on-the-field-wise. Any thoughts?

If by resources, we mean salary ... I would agree.

On the field-wise, no. This school can certainly field a NC team (and it has in the past). So there is still upside in the program ... but I think a coach's career development has a lot to do with taking the opportunities to move up when they present themselves.

Every job I have left, I still had goals that had not yet been fulfilled ... but that didn't keep me from moving on to a better opportunity with even higher goals.

roofman71 · Post by **roofman71** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:46 pm

It is obvious that Fields can not stop Kramer from going to Idaho, and I don't think anyone is trying to say that, but there are a lot of things he could have done to show some appreciation for a tremendous job Kramer has done for the program. At least Fields could have tried harder or given the appearance that he wanted to do everything possible to keep Coach from leaving. MSU can't compete against the larger schools when it comes to money. But sometimes there is alot of intangables that go into a working relationship and everything doesn't come down to the bottom line when a coach is looking at a new job opportunity. But if you don't get along with your boss and get the feeling that he doesn't want you it makes a coaches decision to leave that much easier. This program has momentum right now, how much of that will be lost when you bring in a new coaching staff.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:54 pm

roofman71 wrote:It is obvious that Fields can not stop Kramer from going to Idaho, and I don't think anyone is trying to say that, but there are a lot of things he could have done to show some appreciation for a tremendous job Kramer has done for the program. At least Fields could have tried harder or given the appearance that he wanted to do everything possible to keep Coach from leaving. MSU can't compete against the larger schools when it comes to money. But sometimes there is alot of intangables that go into a working relationship and everything doesn't come down to the bottom line when a coach is looking at a new job opportunity. But if you don't get along with your boss and get the feeling that he doesn't want you it makes a coaches decision to leave that much easier. This program has momentum right now, how much of that will be lost when you bring in a new coaching staff.

I understand and appreciate (and agree with the gist of them, although I am not privy to the underlying facts) the points you made, but how does criticizing Fields over a question that even you now admit he has zero control over favorably impact the momentum of the program?

If anything, I want Fields to have as much credibility and support as everyone can muster so he will have the credibility to go out and find the very best replacement he can for the program in the event that Kramer does pursue a higher paying gig. Conventional wisdom held that Kramer would have taken the Idaho job last year had it been offered to him, and so I have a feeling that there was little that could have been done this year that would have changed things dramatically ... except perhaps moving the program to I-A and paying more for the head coaching position.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:36 pm

Perhaps the "pathetic" thread explains why Fields may have been a little frigid towards the idea of publicly trying to woo Kramer into staying?

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:12 pm

http://bozemandailychronicle.com/articl ... kramer.txt

From Peter's quotes in here I would say he will try to get Kramer to stay if it comes down to that but that he pretty much needs to wait until the cards are on the table. Also, this article sure makes it look like Kramer does have a signed contract right now.

BozCatFan · Post by **BozCatFan** » Tue Dec 12, 2006 10:17 pm

I personally think there is nothing Peter Fields can do and he knows it. Why spend time and effort to try and get him to stay when it is a losing cause?

Kramer has been pretty open about his desire for the Vandals job since last spring when he looked at it before.

I bet since Sunday Mr. Fields has been working the phones trying to find Kramer's replacement and seeing what interest there might be. Some of his time is probably being spent getting the thoughts of big donors as they will ultimately make the decision.

LTown Cat · Post by **LTown Cat** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:13 am

BozCatFan wrote:I bet since Sunday Mr. Fields has been working the phones trying to find Kramer's replacement and seeing what interest there might be. Some of his time is probably being spent getting the thoughts of big donors as they will ultimately make the decision.

Exactly, on the news last night the UM AD said that he has a short list of 7-10 candidates just based on the rumor that Hauck is a finalist for the Stanford job. I'm sure Fields is doing the same.