Cat/Griz Recruiting Comparison

[Section101]

Been to the last six games in Missoula, Vigen’s teams have been the most talented and the least prepared to play in that atmosphere. After the NC game, not seeing any change.

[lutecat]

Not surprising MSU is winning the high school recruiting battle, especially in state. As a freshmen would you rather go to MSU when they will develop you and you can look forward to moving up the depth chart and eventually seeing the field or UM where you finally move up the depth chart and are on track to play and they bring in a transfer and your opportunity to play is nixed?

This is a powerful dynamic and the basic danger of the portal. If you get on, it’s hard to get off.

They basically told McDowell after he led them to Frisco that they were having Ah Yat compete with him and he may not start.

This actually isn't the case. I listened to the interview he did with Sammy Akem the other day and what the narrative was apparently isn't what actually happened. Accordimg to him. Wanting tk be closer to family because of some stuff in his life. He's actually coming back to um's pro day and is being welcomed back by the gris coaching staff for it.

As for the thread Colter and Andrew Houghton talked about this the other day. It sounds like after the covid year players left they had a big void so they've filled it last year and this year with transfers. There's a thought that this is the last year for tons od transfers and after this they will have replenished. Their lower classes should be more full now with all the sophmores they also have been brining in. We shall see. It'd be interesting to have Vim or BBT analyze that. I will grant you that alot of the pushback on the subject was coming from Andrew, who is very much a gris fan, because Colter was waxing exactly how this thread has been going.

[MSU01]

Not surprising MSU is winning the high school recruiting battle, especially in state. As a freshmen would you rather go to MSU when they will develop you and you can look forward to moving up the depth chart and eventually seeing the field or UM where you finally move up the depth chart and are on track to play and they bring in a transfer and your opportunity to play is nixed?

This is a powerful dynamic and the basic danger of the portal. If you get on, it’s hard to get off.

They basically told McDowell after he led them to Frisco that they were having Ah Yat compete with him and he may not start.

This actually isn't the case. I listened to the interview he did with Sammy Akem the other day and what the narrative was apparently isn't what actually happened. Accordimg to him. Wanting tk be closer to family because of some stuff in his life. He's actually coming back to um's pro day and is being welcomed back by the gris coaching staff for it.

As for the thread Colter and Andrew Houghton talked about this the other day. It sounds like after the covid year players left they had a big void so they've filled it last year and this year with transfers. There's a thought that this is the last year for tons od transfers and after this they will have replenished. Their lower classes should be more full now with all the sophmores they also have been brining in. We shall see. It'd be interesting to have Vim or BBT analyze that. I will grant you that alot of the pushback on the subject was coming from Andrew, who is very much a gris fan, because Colter was waxing exactly how this thread has been going.

If the recruiting list on eGriz is correct only 3 of the 19 transfers they signed have one year of eligibility left. So at least they're mostly bringing in players who will in theory be there for a few years, but I think their problem will end up being that the most likely players to transfer away from your program will be the ones who already have a track record of transferring out of their previous program and into yours. I'm still a lot happier with MSU's approach - sign mostly freshmen over the winter, evaluate your roster during Spring Practice, and fill any immediate needs you identify with a limited number of summer transfers.

[Prodigal Cat]

Not surprising MSU is winning the high school recruiting battle, especially in state. As a freshmen would you rather go to MSU when they will develop you and you can look forward to moving up the depth chart and eventually seeing the field or UM where you finally move up the depth chart and are on track to play and they bring in a transfer and your opportunity to play is nixed?

This is a powerful dynamic and the basic danger of the portal. If you get on, it’s hard to get off.

They basically told McDowell after he led them to Frisco that they were having Ah Yat compete with him and he may not start.

This actually isn't the case. I listened to the interview he did with Sammy Akem the other day and what the narrative was apparently isn't what actually happened. Accordimg to him. Wanting tk be closer to family because of some stuff in his life. He's actually coming back to um's pro day and is being welcomed back by the gris coaching staff for it.

As for the thread Colter and Andrew Houghton talked about this the other day. It sounds like after the covid year players left they had a big void so they've filled it last year and this year with transfers. There's a thought that this is the last year for tons od transfers and after this they will have replenished. Their lower classes should be more full now with all the sophmores they also have been brining in. We shall see. It'd be interesting to have Vim or BBT analyze that. I will grant you that alot of the pushback on the subject was coming from Andrew, who is very much a gris fan, because Colter was waxing exactly how this thread has been going.

If the recruiting list on eGriz is correct only 3 of the 19 transfers they signed have one year of eligibility left. So at least they're mostly bringing in players who will in theory be there for a few years, but I think their problem will end up being that the most likely players to transfer away from your program will be the ones who already have a track record of transferring out of their previous program and into yours. I'm still a lot happier with MSU's approach - sign mostly freshmen over the winter, evaluate your roster during Spring Practice, and fill any immediate needs you identify with a limited number of summer transfers.

You look at the players they/we lost a lot of them were previous transfers. Alexander, Rohan, Polidore for the Cats. Wilson, Fife for the Griz. It's kinda like the spouse that cheats, if they've done it once the chances they do it again are much, much higher.

[Prodigal Cat]

Saw this yesterday and it seems appropriate.

OUCH !

looks like it was meant for a texas school, but right, works west of bozeman

Yes I should have clarified that this was out of Texas. But the point is still applicable. If you have an attitude that you should be recruiting us to play here and not going after the kids, if every year you give up scholly spots to transfers and try to get the high school kid cheap with a PF walk on, eventually the coaches are going to get sick of it. They are going to advise the kid to go where he is valued.

[iaafan]

With classes basically complete, I find the differences between MSU and UM to be fascinating. The different approaches these in-state rivals are taking couldn't be more different and adding to the intrigue is the reality that in the past two seasons, the results have been very similar: Griz went on a run to Frisco in 2023 and then had a disappointing playoff appearance in 2024; the Cats went on a run to Frisco in 2024 but had a disappointing playoff appearance in 2023.

Here's what the teams were replacing relative to their 2-Deep rosters at the end of the season:

Montana State: 17 players from the 2-Deep, including 15 starters

Montana: 28 players from the 2-Deep, including 19 starters

And here's how the teams replaced their losses:

Montana State:

• 30 Players
• 27 High Schoolers
• 2 Transfers (both JUCO)
• 1 Prep School Transfer
• 11 Montanans

Montana:

• 36 Players
• 17 High Schoolers
• 18 Transfers
• 1 Prep School Transfer
• 5 Montanans (4 HS and 1 Tfr)
• Transfers by Class: 8 Sr, 4 Jr, 6 So

The Cats are committing as much as anyone in the country to building up the program with home-grown personnel. The Griz are in something of a transfer cycle; when so many of your additions come in with 1 or 2 seasons of eligibility, it's hard to develop high schoolers behind them and you end up going back to the portal. What's more, it seems that the best predictor of whether or player will transfer OUT is if they transferred IN. UM seems to be trying to add transfers with more of a runway, but the plurality of their class are still seniors.

It will be fascinating to see the differences play out.

They're not in even in the same ... (was going to say area code) ... ballpark with us. I don't think this analysis will show anything. MSU's player development is so much better than UM's that it has created a huge rift between the two. MSU, NDSU and SDSU are head and shoulders above UM. USD and UCD are both ahead of UM. UM is in a group with UND, Weber, EWU, UIW, SAC.

I agree that the MSU program is better and I prefer their approach, but I don’t think you can back up the assertion that they’re not in the same ballpark given recent results.

Over the last two seasons, the Griz have gone to the championship and lost in the 2nd round. Over that same span, the Cats have lost in the 2nd round and gone to the championship. Furthermore, we are now at five straight rivalry games in which the home team won handily.

Now in a longer time frame, MSU has had a lot more success. But I think what’s most recent is most relevant. It feels good to say they are miles beneath us, but the results don’t beat that out.

I think that's a shallow dive. If I was looking to make a case for UM to on par with MSU, that's what I'd do. However, MSU has been a dominating team over the last two years. 2023 was more of a fluke than anything else for both teams. The details of that have been discussed on here and they're pretty solid. The 2021 game was also a weird game that featured broken plays and big ST mistakes and the follow up to it kind of proved that.

Dominating team over the last 2 years? Hardly. UM killed us in 23 and went to the championship game.

Vigen, obviously a good coach, has to figure out how to get rid of the “deer in the headlights mode” in Missoula. That stadium and community are good at engineering an atmosphere in which coach struggles.
B hawk on the other hand is in year to year desperation mode.
Keep building our core and fill in our losses with quality players and will be in Nashville next year.

Naw, I don’t agree on that. Last years team beats UM easily whether it’s played in Bozeman or Missoula. The loss in 23 had a lot of factors beyond coaching.

MSU has lost to SDSU by one on a bad call. Idaho on a bad half. UM is the one outlier. NDSU on a blocked XP and again in the title by 3 this year. MSU's wins have almost all been blowouts winning by at least 12 points with the one exception being a game that we led by 22 with 7 minutes to go.

UM has lost to MSU by 23, USD by 16 at home, SDSU by 17. Also lost to a mediocre UND by 3 and to a mediocre WSU at home in OT and mediocre NAU by 14. They also lost to SDSU by 20. They have had win by 8 or less six times in 2023 and five wins by 12 or less in 2024.

Cats have one win by less than 12 points over the last two-year, UM has 13 wins by 12 or less.

MSU has been by far the more dominant team the last two years. Cherry picking one game out of the equation to say otherwise isn't convincing.

[Cataholic]

Not surprising MSU is winning the high school recruiting battle, especially in state. As a freshmen would you rather go to MSU when they will develop you and you can look forward to moving up the depth chart and eventually seeing the field or UM where you finally move up the depth chart and are on track to play and they bring in a transfer and your opportunity to play is nixed?

This is a powerful dynamic and the basic danger of the portal. If you get on, it’s hard to get off.

They basically told McDowell after he led them to Frisco that they were having Ah Yat compete with him and he may not start.

This actually isn't the case. I listened to the interview he did with Sammy Akem the other day and what the narrative was apparently isn't what actually happened. Accordimg to him. Wanting tk be closer to family because of some stuff in his life. He's actually coming back to um's pro day and is being welcomed back by the gris coaching staff for it.

As for the thread Colter and Andrew Houghton talked about this the other day. It sounds like after the covid year players left they had a big void so they've filled it last year and this year with transfers. There's a thought that this is the last year for tons od transfers and after this they will have replenished. Their lower classes should be more full now with all the sophmores they also have been brining in. We shall see. It'd be interesting to have Vim or BBT analyze that. I will grant you that alot of the pushback on the subject was coming from Andrew, who is very much a gris fan, because Colter was waxing exactly how this thread has been going.

Both of those explanations from Griz homers trying to spin it so they don’t look so bad. McDowell signed at Temple after leaving UM. Not exactly trying to get closer to home. And after he decided that Temple wasn’t for him anymore, it is my understanding the team said they didn’t want him back.

And this Covid narrative is hokey. Every team in the country had the same issues yet somehow it has hamstring the Gris. That is a joke.

[iaafan]

Not surprising MSU is winning the high school recruiting battle, especially in state. As a freshmen would you rather go to MSU when they will develop you and you can look forward to moving up the depth chart and eventually seeing the field or UM where you finally move up the depth chart and are on track to play and they bring in a transfer and your opportunity to play is nixed?

This is a powerful dynamic and the basic danger of the portal. If you get on, it’s hard to get off.

They basically told McDowell after he led them to Frisco that they were having Ah Yat compete with him and he may not start.

This actually isn't the case. I listened to the interview he did with Sammy Akem the other day and what the narrative was apparently isn't what actually happened. Accordimg to him. Wanting tk be closer to family because of some stuff in his life. He's actually coming back to um's pro day and is being welcomed back by the gris coaching staff for it.

As for the thread Colter and Andrew Houghton talked about this the other day. It sounds like after the covid year players left they had a big void so they've filled it last year and this year with transfers. There's a thought that this is the last year for tons od transfers and after this they will have replenished. Their lower classes should be more full now with all the sophmores they also have been brining in. We shall see. It'd be interesting to have Vim or BBT analyze that. I will grant you that alot of the pushback on the subject was coming from Andrew, who is very much a gris fan, because Colter was waxing exactly how this thread has been going.

Both of those explanations from Griz homers trying to spin it so they don’t look so bad. McDowell signed at Temple after leaving UM. Not exactly trying to get closer to home. And after he decided that Temple wasn’t for him anymore, it is my understanding the team said they didn’t want him back.

And this Covid narrative is hokey. Every team in the country had the same issues yet somehow it has hamstring the Gris. That is a joke.

Yeah that Covid narrative is a very bad word salad. I don’t buy it at all.

[nanacat]

The wild thing with Bobby going so heavy transfer portal is that his team building and culture is based on weeding out the weak and developing mentally resilient teams. He did that through deliberate high school recruiting with the backbone being Montana kids...many who were walk-ons that were incredibly hard workers and loyal to the brand. Doing it now with primarily transfers? Good luck...I just don't see it happening over the long term.

Sorry but don't let any of your Griz friends tell you there just isn't enough talent in-state. There is...you just have to win more than 50% of the in-state recruiting battles which Bobby is definitely not. I've never seen Bobby get beat worse in-state than this most recent crop. If that trend continues, expect more and more transfers into that program.

I think the problem he’s run into is that part of his strategy for weeding kids out is preemptive— he doesn’t roll out the red carpet for anyone because if they need that to choose UM, he doesn’t want them.

That worked last go round because the Griz were so dominant that they could have anyone in state that they wanted and those players really didn’t have many good options for leaving once they arrived. Neither of those necessary preconditions are true anymore.

I think this is the key element to the Cats winning the in-state battle currently. MSU is willing to follow, stay in touch, and actually recruit a kid they want. Bobby is of the opinion that every Montana player should want to be a griz, so he shouldn't have to work for them to sign because UM is such an "elite" program. Besides that being an arrogant take, it's clearly not working as the Cats have been building a stronger program over the past 10-15 years, about the time Cruzado was hired honestly. If Bobby thinks he can ride on the merits of the past success of the griz program, and that should guarantee him loyalty from in-state recruits, he'll continue to fail in that area.

[catatac]

Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.

I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.

[iaafan]

Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.

I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.

Who are some of the proven, damn good players?

[BelligerentBobcat]

Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.

I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.

They’re still a premier FCS program. It shouldn’t be surprising they’re signing good players.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.

I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.

Who are some of the proven, damn good players?

Kid from EWU is one, TE from Poly is a good player, they got an all conference LB from the MVFC. Some other players that had they signed here we would be touting as well.

[iaafan]

Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.

I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.

Who are some of the proven, damn good players?

Kid from EWU is one, TE from Poly is a good player, they got an all conference LB from the MVFC. Some other players that had they signed here we would be touting as well.

You can’t remember their names? Wow. Lol! I don’t see a TE from Poly, there’s one from UCD though if that’s what you meant. Don’t see a LB from the MVFC but there’s a LB from E. Illinois who isn’t in the MVFC if that’s what you mean. Lol.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.

I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.

Who are some of the proven, damn good players?

Kid from EWU is one, TE from Poly is a good player, they got an all conference LB from the MVFC. Some other players that had they signed here we would be touting as well.

You can’t remember their names? Wow. Lol! I don’t see a TE from Poly, there’s one from UCD though if that’s what you meant. Don’t see a LB from the MVFC but there’s a LB from E. Illinois who isn’t in the MVFC if that’s what you mean. Lol.

Close enough.

And no, I don't remember all their names. Kid from EWU is Michael Wortham. I think the kid from UCD is Josh Gale. Don't remember the LB...Riley? That has nothing to do with how good they are or aren't, but that's okay. They got some good players, it's okay to say that. It's still not the way I'd like to build a roster, and we'll still likely beat them next year because we're stronger on the lines, where it matters.

[iaafan]

Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.

I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.

Who are some of the proven, damn good players?

Kid from EWU is one, TE from Poly is a good player, they got an all conference LB from the MVFC. Some other players that had they signed here we would be touting as well.

You can’t remember their names? Wow. Lol! I don’t see a TE from Poly, there’s one from UCD though if that’s what you meant. Don’t see a LB from the MVFC but there’s a LB from E. Illinois who isn’t in the MVFC if that’s what you mean. Lol.

Close enough.

And no, I don't remember all their names. Kid from EWU is Michael Wortham. I think the kid from UCD is Josh Gale. Don't remember the LB...Riley? That has nothing to do with how good they are or aren't, but that's okay. They got some good players, it's okay to say that. It's still not the way I'd like to build a roster, and we'll still likely beat them next year because we're stronger on the lines, where it matters.

Is good the same as (close enough) damn good? Anyway, it doesn’t look like they brought in any slam dunk, game-changing players. But I haven’t dug into much. If these are the three best players they brought in, then they’re in trouble in the non-body bag games (not many) on their schedule.

[TomCat88]

Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.

I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.

Who are some of the proven, damn good players?

Kid from EWU is one, TE from Poly is a good player, they got an all conference LB from the MVFC. Some other players that had they signed here we would be touting as well.

You can’t remember their names? Wow. Lol! I don’t see a TE from Poly, there’s one from UCD though if that’s what you meant. Don’t see a LB from the MVFC but there’s a LB from E. Illinois who isn’t in the MVFC if that’s what you mean. Lol.

Close enough.

And no, I don't remember all their names. Kid from EWU is Michael Wortham. I think the kid from UCD is Josh Gale. Don't remember the LB...Riley? That has nothing to do with how good they are or aren't, but that's okay. They got some good players, it's okay to say that. It's still not the way I'd like to build a roster, and we'll still likely beat them next year because we're stronger on the lines, where it matters.

Wortham was an underutilized player for EWU. He could've done a lot more for them. It'll be interesting to see how Hauck uses him. I'm guessing he'll be the replacement for Bergen.

I don't see Gale as a player that's going to do a whole lot, but should give them depth at the position, which they need at a lot of spots.

I think Tolbert is the LB from EIU. He's a stud. Played in a weak conference but was impressive, nonetheless. Two-time first team all-conference. I'm sure he'll start at UM. Appears he missed part of the 2024 season at EIU.

[VimSince03]

Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.

I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.

Who are some of the proven, damn good players?

Kid from EWU is one, TE from Poly is a good player, they got an all conference LB from the MVFC. Some other players that had they signed here we would be touting as well.

You can’t remember their names? Wow. Lol! I don’t see a TE from Poly, there’s one from UCD though if that’s what you meant. Don’t see a LB from the MVFC but there’s a LB from E. Illinois who isn’t in the MVFC if that’s what you mean. Lol.

Close enough.

And no, I don't remember all their names. Kid from EWU is Michael Wortham. I think the kid from UCD is Josh Gale. Don't remember the LB...Riley? That has nothing to do with how good they are or aren't, but that's okay. They got some good players, it's okay to say that. It's still not the way I'd like to build a roster, and we'll still likely beat them next year because we're stronger on the lines, where it matters.

Wortham was an underutilized player for EWU. He could've done a lot more for them. It'll be interesting to see how Hauck uses him. I'm guessing he'll be the replacement for Bergen.

I don't see Gale as a player that's going to do a whole lot, but should give them depth at the position, which they need at a lot of spots.

I think Tolbert is the LB from EIU. He's a stud. Played in a weak conference but was impressive, nonetheless. Two-time first team all-conference. I'm sure he'll start at UM. Appears he missed part of the 2024 season at EIU.

Isn't their best transfer the safety from BYU?

[TomCat88]

Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.

I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.

Who are some of the proven, damn good players?

Kid from EWU is one, TE from Poly is a good player, they got an all conference LB from the MVFC. Some other players that had they signed here we would be touting as well.

You can’t remember their names? Wow. Lol! I don’t see a TE from Poly, there’s one from UCD though if that’s what you meant. Don’t see a LB from the MVFC but there’s a LB from E. Illinois who isn’t in the MVFC if that’s what you mean. Lol.

Close enough.

And no, I don't remember all their names. Kid from EWU is Michael Wortham. I think the kid from UCD is Josh Gale. Don't remember the LB...Riley? That has nothing to do with how good they are or aren't, but that's okay. They got some good players, it's okay to say that. It's still not the way I'd like to build a roster, and we'll still likely beat them next year because we're stronger on the lines, where it matters.

Wortham was an underutilized player for EWU. He could've done a lot more for them. It'll be interesting to see how Hauck uses him. I'm guessing he'll be the replacement for Bergen.

I don't see Gale as a player that's going to do a whole lot, but should give them depth at the position, which they need at a lot of spots.

I think Tolbert is the LB from EIU. He's a stud. Played in a weak conference but was impressive, nonetheless. Two-time first team all-conference. I'm sure he'll start at UM. Appears he missed part of the 2024 season at EIU.

Isn't their best transfer the safety from BYU?

Micah Harper was really good early in his career but he’s had two ACL injuries. He didn’t play at all in 2023 and was limited last year (I think he only played in certain situations) after getting hurt early in the season.

[lutecat]

Despite the Gris getting all of these transfers, many of them barely played at their previous school. Just because they are a drop down doesn’t mean they will be good.

I posted something similar in another thread. I agree, some of these players they signed, we'll have to wait and see how good they are. However, they did sign some that are actually proven, damn good players - which I'm guessing they found some NIL money somewhere.

Who are some of the proven, damn good players?

Kid from EWU is one, TE from Poly is a good player, they got an all conference LB from the MVFC. Some other players that had they signed here we would be touting as well.

You can’t remember their names? Wow. Lol! I don’t see a TE from Poly, there’s one from UCD though if that’s what you meant. Don’t see a LB from the MVFC but there’s a LB from E. Illinois who isn’t in the MVFC if that’s what you mean. Lol.

Close enough.

And no, I don't remember all their names. Kid from EWU is Michael Wortham. I think the kid from UCD is Josh Gale. Don't remember the LB...Riley? That has nothing to do with how good they are or aren't, but that's okay. They got some good players, it's okay to say that. It's still not the way I'd like to build a roster, and we'll still likely beat them next year because we're stronger on the lines, where it matters.

Is good the same as (close enough) damn good? Anyway, it doesn’t look like they brought in any slam dunk, game-changing players. But I haven’t dug into much. If these are the three best players they brought in, then they’re in trouble in the non-body bag games (not many) on their schedule.

You haven't dug into it much but you're going to give him a hard time for not knowing the names of players? We can know players are good and not know their names. I really don't care to know names.

I don’t remember who made the comment so I'm not directing this at you. (I didn't intend it to be but its kind of funny considering we're talking about remembering names lol) but it's okay for us to admit they can get good players. We just expect we're getting better ones and we have better coaching. The gris are going to be a top 10 team at the end of the season given their schedule. They will be a playoff team. I hope they lose all their games. But I know that won't happen.