Refs

[FTG_1984]

Overturning the fumble was the right call, elbow was down with firm control.

His forearm was down before he lost control, but not his elbow. Technically that's still a fumble as the rule reads as I understand. But I could see how a crew would hesitate to call it by letter of the law on that one.

[cats2506]

Overturning the fumble was the right call, elbow was down with firm control.

His forearm was down before he lost control, but not his elbow. Technically that's still a fumble as the rule reads as I understand. But I could see how a crew would hesitate to call it by letter of the law on that one.

anything above the wrist makes him down

[tdub]

Overturning the fumble was the right call, elbow was down with firm control.

His forearm was down before he lost control, but not his elbow. Technically that's still a fumble as the rule reads as I understand. But I could see how a crew would hesitate to call it by letter of the law on that one.

The forearm being down is considered down. Anything above the wrist or ankle. He was definitely down and Jackson’s knee was very much down when he picked up the ball.

[TomCat88]

Did anyone see McCade O'Reilly get yanked down by the collar from behind when he was in the backfield to spring a long run? It was so blatent I couldn't believe they didn't call it.

Yes, I think that was Theis.

The no call when R. Jones was held with a horse collar, no less, while trying to run his route was inexcusable.

I saw both teams continuing to escalate the egregious fouls and testing the limits as the game progressed. If anyone thinks the Cats weren't holding at a criminal level on both sides of the ball, then you simply have blinders on. One play Eiden pulled the SD OT from behind to allow Brode a clean shot at the QB. The SD OT's head almost exploded when yelling at the refs.

Strange the refs did this, but both teams were treated equally.

It's Brody, not Brode.

I'm not going to argue which team got the bigger break from the refs.

The only blatantly missed calls are the ones that I saw live without the use of replay. I'm not going to be too upset about a missed call, especially holding, if I didn't actually see it during live action. The non-call when R. Jones was running his route is inexcusable. There are actually two penalties (holding and horse collar) on that one action, and neither were called. I didn't see another missed call that blatant. The other missed call was the block in the back on a punt return, but you see that not called a lot all year.

I have a hard time believing that Eiden IV actually held an offensive lineman to allow a teammate a clean shot at the QB. Please explain this to me further, so I can look for it in the future. That would take some very high-level pre-planning and skill, not to mention lack of effort by the opposing team. Was no one blocking Grebe, so all he needed was for Eiden IV to hold his own man. Also, they play on opposite ends of the line, so unless this was during a Viper package I have no idea how they would communicate this to one another. Sorry, it just seems far-fetched without some kind of explanation. Or are you just being sarcastic?

Getting back to OL holding this is something that has evolved in football. Any kind of grabbing was called up until the late 70s/early 80s(?) in the NFL and college. Up until that time football was relatively boring compared to today's game due to lots of holding forcing teams into punts and lots of sacks doing the same. Teams would run 40-50 plays a game. No hurry up offense. Not many roughing the QB calls. QBs were scared s--tless and used to throw about as many interceptions as they did TDs and the scores were much lower. Defense always catches up to offensive innovations and rule changes, so the leagues keep making adjustments to help offenses. For offensive holding to be called a defender has to have slipped past the OL and if the OL grabs or 'continues' to hold then you usually see a flag. Or, if the OL pulls the defender to the ground, it's usually holding. That's my self-invented definition of holding.

Defensive holding is a much easier call since it usually involves a LB or DB holding a TE, RB or WR out in the open.

MSU got called for holding, a lot, early in the season and I have to think that the Bobcat' (as every coach/player in the country should) OL coaches and players have already pushed the envelope in order to establish what they can and can't get away with. I don't think MSU did anything differently than they have all season after they established what it could and couldn't do. Against Utah Tech they were called for holding three times in the first quarter.

[tdub]

Did anyone see McCade O'Reilly get yanked down by the collar from behind when he was in the backfield to spring a long run? It was so blatent I couldn't believe they didn't call it.

Yes, I think that was Theis.

The no call when R. Jones was held with a horse collar, no less, while trying to run his route was inexcusable.

I saw both teams continuing to escalate the egregious fouls and testing the limits as the game progressed. If anyone thinks the Cats weren't holding at a criminal level on both sides of the ball, then you simply have blinders on. One play Eiden pulled the SD OT from behind to allow Brode a clean shot at the QB. The SD OT's head almost exploded when yelling at the refs.

Strange the refs did this, but both teams were treated equally.

It's Brody, not Brode.

I'm not going to argue which team got the bigger break from the refs.

The only blatantly missed calls are the ones that I saw live without the use of replay. I'm not going to be too upset about a missed call, especially holding, if I didn't actually see it during live action. The non-call when R. Jones was running his route is inexcusable. There are actually two penalties (holding and horse collar) on that one action, and neither were called. I didn't see another missed call that blatant. The other missed call was the block in the back on a punt return, but you see that not called a lot all year.

I have a hard time believing that Eiden IV actually held an offensive lineman to allow a teammate a clean shot at the QB. Please explain this to me further, so I can look for it in the future. That would take some very high-level pre-planning and skill, not to mention lack of effort by the opposing team. Was no one blocking Grebe, so all he needed was for Eiden IV to hold his own man. Also, they play on opposite ends of the line, so unless this was during a Viper package I have no idea how they would communicate this to one another. Sorry, it just seems far-fetched without some kind of explanation. Or are you just being sarcastic?

Getting back to OL holding this is something that has evolved in football. Any kind of grabbing was called up until the late 70s/early 80s(?) in the NFL and college. Up until that time football was relatively boring compared to today's game due to lots of holding forcing teams into punts and lots of sacks doing the same. Teams would run 40-50 plays a game. No hurry up offense. Not many roughing the QB calls. QBs were scared s--tless and used to throw about as many interceptions as they did TDs and the scores were much lower. Defense always catches up to offensive innovations and rule changes, so the leagues keep making adjustments to help offenses. For offensive holding to be called a defender has to have slipped past the OL and if the OL grabs or 'continues' to hold then you usually see a flag. Or, if the OL pulls the defender to the ground, it's usually holding. That's my self-invented definition of holding.

Defensive holding is a much easier call since it usually involves a LB or DB holding a TE, RB or WR out in the open.

MSU got called for holding, a lot, early in the season and I have to think that the Bobcat' (as every coach/player in the country should) OL coaches and players have already pushed the envelope in order to establish what they can and can't get away with. I don't think MSU did anything differently than they have all season after they established what it could and couldn't do. Against Utah Tech they were called for holding three times in the first quarter.

Both Grebe and Eiden were lined up outside of the tackle. Eiden 100% grabbed ahold of the tackle with his right hand, which kept the tackle from stepping out to block Grebe. It was defensive holding. But no more egregious than the offensive holding that wasn’t called on other plays.

[coloradocat]

If the refs let penalties go against both teams that doesn't mean they did a good job or were fair, it means they did an equally bad job for both sides. Two wrongs don't make a right.

[ClowderUp]

Did anyone see McCade O'Reilly get yanked down by the collar from behind when he was in the backfield to spring a long run? It was so blatent I couldn't believe they didn't call it.

Yes, I think that was Theis.

The no call when R. Jones was held with a horse collar, no less, while trying to run his route was inexcusable.

I saw both teams continuing to escalate the egregious fouls and testing the limits as the game progressed. If anyone thinks the Cats weren't holding at a criminal level on both sides of the ball, then you simply have blinders on. One play Eiden pulled the SD OT from behind to allow Brode a clean shot at the QB. The SD OT's head almost exploded when yelling at the refs.

Strange the refs did this, but both teams were treated equally.

It's Brody, not Brode.

I'm not going to argue which team got the bigger break from the refs.

The only blatantly missed calls are the ones that I saw live without the use of replay. I'm not going to be too upset about a missed call, especially holding, if I didn't actually see it during live action. The non-call when R. Jones was running his route is inexcusable. There are actually two penalties (holding and horse collar) on that one action, and neither were called. I didn't see another missed call that blatant. The other missed call was the block in the back on a punt return, but you see that not called a lot all year.

I have a hard time believing that Eiden IV actually held an offensive lineman to allow a teammate a clean shot at the QB. Please explain this to me further, so I can look for it in the future. That would take some very high-level pre-planning and skill, not to mention lack of effort by the opposing team. Was no one blocking Grebe, so all he needed was for Eiden IV to hold his own man. Also, they play on opposite ends of the line, so unless this was during a Viper package I have no idea how they would communicate this to one another. Sorry, it just seems far-fetched without some kind of explanation. Or are you just being sarcastic?

Getting back to OL holding this is something that has evolved in football. Any kind of grabbing was called up until the late 70s/early 80s(?) in the NFL and college. Up until that time football was relatively boring compared to today's game due to lots of holding forcing teams into punts and lots of sacks doing the same. Teams would run 40-50 plays a game. No hurry up offense. Not many roughing the QB calls. QBs were scared s--tless and used to throw about as many interceptions as they did TDs and the scores were much lower. Defense always catches up to offensive innovations and rule changes, so the leagues keep making adjustments to help offenses. For offensive holding to be called a defender has to have slipped past the OL and if the OL grabs or 'continues' to hold then you usually see a flag. Or, if the OL pulls the defender to the ground, it's usually holding. That's my self-invented definition of holding.

Defensive holding is a much easier call since it usually involves a LB or DB holding a TE, RB or WR out in the open.

MSU got called for holding, a lot, early in the season and I have to think that the Bobcat' (as every coach/player in the country should) OL coaches and players have already pushed the envelope in order to establish what they can and can't get away with. I don't think MSU did anything differently than they have all season after they established what it could and couldn't do. Against Utah Tech they were called for holding three times in the first quarter.

Both Grebe and Eiden were lined up outside of the tackle. Eiden 100% grabbed ahold of the tackle with his right hand, which kept the tackle from stepping out to block Grebe. It was defensive holding. But no more egregious than the offensive holding that wasn’t called on other plays.

I apologize for the spelling error. No excuse.

Anyway, in the current ESPN+ On Demand game that's up as of this post, start watching at the 2:14:50 mark.

[coachouert]

Did anyone see McCade O'Reilly get yanked down by the collar from behind when he was in the backfield to spring a long run? It was so blatent I couldn't believe they didn't call it.

Yes, I think that was Theis.

The no call when R. Jones was held with a horse collar, no less, while trying to run his route was inexcusable.

I saw both teams continuing to escalate the egregious fouls and testing the limits as the game progressed. If anyone thinks the Cats weren't holding at a criminal level on both sides of the ball, then you simply have blinders on. One play Eiden pulled the SD OT from behind to allow Brode a clean shot at the QB. The SD OT's head almost exploded when yelling at the refs.

Strange the refs did this, but both teams were treated equally.

It's Brody, not Brode.

I'm not going to argue which team got the bigger break from the refs.

The only blatantly missed calls are the ones that I saw live without the use of replay. I'm not going to be too upset about a missed call, especially holding, if I didn't actually see it during live action. The non-call when R. Jones was running his route is inexcusable. There are actually two penalties (holding and horse collar) on that one action, and neither were called. I didn't see another missed call that blatant. The other missed call was the block in the back on a punt return, but you see that not called a lot all year.

I have a hard time believing that Eiden IV actually held an offensive lineman to allow a teammate a clean shot at the QB. Please explain this to me further, so I can look for it in the future. That would take some very high-level pre-planning and skill, not to mention lack of effort by the opposing team. Was no one blocking Grebe, so all he needed was for Eiden IV to hold his own man. Also, they play on opposite ends of the line, so unless this was during a Viper package I have no idea how they would communicate this to one another. Sorry, it just seems far-fetched without some kind of explanation. Or are you just being sarcastic?

Getting back to OL holding this is something that has evolved in football. Any kind of grabbing was called up until the late 70s/early 80s(?) in the NFL and college. Up until that time football was relatively boring compared to today's game due to lots of holding forcing teams into punts and lots of sacks doing the same. Teams would run 40-50 plays a game. No hurry up offense. Not many roughing the QB calls. QBs were scared s--tless and used to throw about as many interceptions as they did TDs and the scores were much lower. Defense always catches up to offensive innovations and rule changes, so the leagues keep making adjustments to help offenses. For offensive holding to be called a defender has to have slipped past the OL and if the OL grabs or 'continues' to hold then you usually see a flag. Or, if the OL pulls the defender to the ground, it's usually holding. That's my self-invented definition of holding.

Defensive holding is a much easier call since it usually involves a LB or DB holding a TE, RB or WR out in the open.

MSU got called for holding, a lot, early in the season and I have to think that the Bobcat' (as every coach/player in the country should) OL coaches and players have already pushed the envelope in order to establish what they can and can't get away with. I don't think MSU did anything differently than they have all season after they established what it could and couldn't do. Against Utah Tech they were called for holding three times in the first quarter.

Both Grebe and Eiden were lined up outside of the tackle. Eiden 100% grabbed ahold of the tackle with his right hand, which kept the tackle from stepping out to block Grebe. It was defensive holding. But no more egregious than the offensive holding that wasn’t called on other plays.

I apologize for the spelling error. No excuse.

Anyway, in the current ESPN+ On Demand game that's up as of this post, start watching at the 2:14:50 mark.

You mean the play where Grebe was held (again) on his way to getting the sack? Yeah, I'd call that a wash in how they were calling the game.

[tdub]

Did anyone see McCade O'Reilly get yanked down by the collar from behind when he was in the backfield to spring a long run? It was so blatent I couldn't believe they didn't call it.

Yes, I think that was Theis.

The no call when R. Jones was held with a horse collar, no less, while trying to run his route was inexcusable.

I saw both teams continuing to escalate the egregious fouls and testing the limits as the game progressed. If anyone thinks the Cats weren't holding at a criminal level on both sides of the ball, then you simply have blinders on. One play Eiden pulled the SD OT from behind to allow Brode a clean shot at the QB. The SD OT's head almost exploded when yelling at the refs.

Strange the refs did this, but both teams were treated equally.

It's Brody, not Brode.

I'm not going to argue which team got the bigger break from the refs.

The only blatantly missed calls are the ones that I saw live without the use of replay. I'm not going to be too upset about a missed call, especially holding, if I didn't actually see it during live action. The non-call when R. Jones was running his route is inexcusable. There are actually two penalties (holding and horse collar) on that one action, and neither were called. I didn't see another missed call that blatant. The other missed call was the block in the back on a punt return, but you see that not called a lot all year.

I have a hard time believing that Eiden IV actually held an offensive lineman to allow a teammate a clean shot at the QB. Please explain this to me further, so I can look for it in the future. That would take some very high-level pre-planning and skill, not to mention lack of effort by the opposing team. Was no one blocking Grebe, so all he needed was for Eiden IV to hold his own man. Also, they play on opposite ends of the line, so unless this was during a Viper package I have no idea how they would communicate this to one another. Sorry, it just seems far-fetched without some kind of explanation. Or are you just being sarcastic?

Getting back to OL holding this is something that has evolved in football. Any kind of grabbing was called up until the late 70s/early 80s(?) in the NFL and college. Up until that time football was relatively boring compared to today's game due to lots of holding forcing teams into punts and lots of sacks doing the same. Teams would run 40-50 plays a game. No hurry up offense. Not many roughing the QB calls. QBs were scared s--tless and used to throw about as many interceptions as they did TDs and the scores were much lower. Defense always catches up to offensive innovations and rule changes, so the leagues keep making adjustments to help offenses. For offensive holding to be called a defender has to have slipped past the OL and if the OL grabs or 'continues' to hold then you usually see a flag. Or, if the OL pulls the defender to the ground, it's usually holding. That's my self-invented definition of holding.

Defensive holding is a much easier call since it usually involves a LB or DB holding a TE, RB or WR out in the open.

MSU got called for holding, a lot, early in the season and I have to think that the Bobcat' (as every coach/player in the country should) OL coaches and players have already pushed the envelope in order to establish what they can and can't get away with. I don't think MSU did anything differently than they have all season after they established what it could and couldn't do. Against Utah Tech they were called for holding three times in the first quarter.

Both Grebe and Eiden were lined up outside of the tackle. Eiden 100% grabbed ahold of the tackle with his right hand, which kept the tackle from stepping out to block Grebe. It was defensive holding. But no more egregious than the offensive holding that wasn’t called on other plays.

I apologize for the spelling error. No excuse.

Anyway, in the current ESPN+ On Demand game that's up as of this post, start watching at the 2:14:50 mark.

You mean the play where Grebe was held (again) on his way to getting the sack? Yeah, I'd call that a wash in how they were calling the game.

Yep, when the tackle couldn’t step out due to Eiden’s hold, he reached and grabbed Grebe. Both definitely happened.

[cats2506]

Did anyone see McCade O'Reilly get yanked down by the collar from behind when he was in the backfield to spring a long run? It was so blatent I couldn't believe they didn't call it.

Yes, I think that was Theis.

The no call when R. Jones was held with a horse collar, no less, while trying to run his route was inexcusable.

I saw both teams continuing to escalate the egregious fouls and testing the limits as the game progressed. If anyone thinks the Cats weren't holding at a criminal level on both sides of the ball, then you simply have blinders on. One play Eiden pulled the SD OT from behind to allow Brode a clean shot at the QB. The SD OT's head almost exploded when yelling at the refs.

Strange the refs did this, but both teams were treated equally.

It's Brody, not Brode.

I'm not going to argue which team got the bigger break from the refs.

The only blatantly missed calls are the ones that I saw live without the use of replay. I'm not going to be too upset about a missed call, especially holding, if I didn't actually see it during live action. The non-call when R. Jones was running his route is inexcusable. There are actually two penalties (holding and horse collar) on that one action, and neither were called. I didn't see another missed call that blatant. The other missed call was the block in the back on a punt return, but you see that not called a lot all year.

I have a hard time believing that Eiden IV actually held an offensive lineman to allow a teammate a clean shot at the QB. Please explain this to me further, so I can look for it in the future. That would take some very high-level pre-planning and skill, not to mention lack of effort by the opposing team. Was no one blocking Grebe, so all he needed was for Eiden IV to hold his own man. Also, they play on opposite ends of the line, so unless this was during a Viper package I have no idea how they would communicate this to one another. Sorry, it just seems far-fetched without some kind of explanation. Or are you just being sarcastic?

Getting back to OL holding this is something that has evolved in football. Any kind of grabbing was called up until the late 70s/early 80s(?) in the NFL and college. Up until that time football was relatively boring compared to today's game due to lots of holding forcing teams into punts and lots of sacks doing the same. Teams would run 40-50 plays a game. No hurry up offense. Not many roughing the QB calls. QBs were scared s--tless and used to throw about as many interceptions as they did TDs and the scores were much lower. Defense always catches up to offensive innovations and rule changes, so the leagues keep making adjustments to help offenses. For offensive holding to be called a defender has to have slipped past the OL and if the OL grabs or 'continues' to hold then you usually see a flag. Or, if the OL pulls the defender to the ground, it's usually holding. That's my self-invented definition of holding.

Defensive holding is a much easier call since it usually involves a LB or DB holding a TE, RB or WR out in the open.

MSU got called for holding, a lot, early in the season and I have to think that the Bobcat' (as every coach/player in the country should) OL coaches and players have already pushed the envelope in order to establish what they can and can't get away with. I don't think MSU did anything differently than they have all season after they established what it could and couldn't do. Against Utah Tech they were called for holding three times in the first quarter.

Both Grebe and Eiden were lined up outside of the tackle. Eiden 100% grabbed ahold of the tackle with his right hand, which kept the tackle from stepping out to block Grebe. It was defensive holding. But no more egregious than the offensive holding that wasn’t called on other plays.

I apologize for the spelling error. No excuse.

Anyway, in the current ESPN+ On Demand game that's up as of this post, start watching at the 2:14:50 mark.

The way the game was being called, that is a good play.

[ClowderUp]

Did anyone see McCade O'Reilly get yanked down by the collar from behind when he was in the backfield to spring a long run? It was so blatent I couldn't believe they didn't call it.

Yes, I think that was Theis.

The no call when R. Jones was held with a horse collar, no less, while trying to run his route was inexcusable.

I saw both teams continuing to escalate the egregious fouls and testing the limits as the game progressed. If anyone thinks the Cats weren't holding at a criminal level on both sides of the ball, then you simply have blinders on. One play Eiden pulled the SD OT from behind to allow Brode a clean shot at the QB. The SD OT's head almost exploded when yelling at the refs.

Strange the refs did this, but both teams were treated equally.

It's Brody, not Brode.

I'm not going to argue which team got the bigger break from the refs.

The only blatantly missed calls are the ones that I saw live without the use of replay. I'm not going to be too upset about a missed call, especially holding, if I didn't actually see it during live action. The non-call when R. Jones was running his route is inexcusable. There are actually two penalties (holding and horse collar) on that one action, and neither were called. I didn't see another missed call that blatant. The other missed call was the block in the back on a punt return, but you see that not called a lot all year.

I have a hard time believing that Eiden IV actually held an offensive lineman to allow a teammate a clean shot at the QB. Please explain this to me further, so I can look for it in the future. That would take some very high-level pre-planning and skill, not to mention lack of effort by the opposing team. Was no one blocking Grebe, so all he needed was for Eiden IV to hold his own man. Also, they play on opposite ends of the line, so unless this was during a Viper package I have no idea how they would communicate this to one another. Sorry, it just seems far-fetched without some kind of explanation. Or are you just being sarcastic?

Getting back to OL holding this is something that has evolved in football. Any kind of grabbing was called up until the late 70s/early 80s(?) in the NFL and college. Up until that time football was relatively boring compared to today's game due to lots of holding forcing teams into punts and lots of sacks doing the same. Teams would run 40-50 plays a game. No hurry up offense. Not many roughing the QB calls. QBs were scared s--tless and used to throw about as many interceptions as they did TDs and the scores were much lower. Defense always catches up to offensive innovations and rule changes, so the leagues keep making adjustments to help offenses. For offensive holding to be called a defender has to have slipped past the OL and if the OL grabs or 'continues' to hold then you usually see a flag. Or, if the OL pulls the defender to the ground, it's usually holding. That's my self-invented definition of holding.

Defensive holding is a much easier call since it usually involves a LB or DB holding a TE, RB or WR out in the open.

MSU got called for holding, a lot, early in the season and I have to think that the Bobcat' (as every coach/player in the country should) OL coaches and players have already pushed the envelope in order to establish what they can and can't get away with. I don't think MSU did anything differently than they have all season after they established what it could and couldn't do. Against Utah Tech they were called for holding three times in the first quarter.

Both Grebe and Eiden were lined up outside of the tackle. Eiden 100% grabbed ahold of the tackle with his right hand, which kept the tackle from stepping out to block Grebe. It was defensive holding. But no more egregious than the offensive holding that wasn’t called on other plays.

I apologize for the spelling error. No excuse.

Anyway, in the current ESPN+ On Demand game that's up as of this post, start watching at the 2:14:50 mark.

The way the game was being called, that is a good play.

I don't disagree lol. My whole point is this game was called in the favor of the opposite colored glasses of the observer. And I still contend both teams kept escalating in the second half to see where the line was located. Spoiler alert: there was no line.

[cats2506]

Did anyone see McCade O'Reilly get yanked down by the collar from behind when he was in the backfield to spring a long run? It was so blatent I couldn't believe they didn't call it.

Yes, I think that was Theis.

The no call when R. Jones was held with a horse collar, no less, while trying to run his route was inexcusable.

I saw both teams continuing to escalate the egregious fouls and testing the limits as the game progressed. If anyone thinks the Cats weren't holding at a criminal level on both sides of the ball, then you simply have blinders on. One play Eiden pulled the SD OT from behind to allow Brode a clean shot at the QB. The SD OT's head almost exploded when yelling at the refs.

Strange the refs did this, but both teams were treated equally.

It's Brody, not Brode.

I'm not going to argue which team got the bigger break from the refs.

The only blatantly missed calls are the ones that I saw live without the use of replay. I'm not going to be too upset about a missed call, especially holding, if I didn't actually see it during live action. The non-call when R. Jones was running his route is inexcusable. There are actually two penalties (holding and horse collar) on that one action, and neither were called. I didn't see another missed call that blatant. The other missed call was the block in the back on a punt return, but you see that not called a lot all year.

I have a hard time believing that Eiden IV actually held an offensive lineman to allow a teammate a clean shot at the QB. Please explain this to me further, so I can look for it in the future. That would take some very high-level pre-planning and skill, not to mention lack of effort by the opposing team. Was no one blocking Grebe, so all he needed was for Eiden IV to hold his own man. Also, they play on opposite ends of the line, so unless this was during a Viper package I have no idea how they would communicate this to one another. Sorry, it just seems far-fetched without some kind of explanation. Or are you just being sarcastic?

Getting back to OL holding this is something that has evolved in football. Any kind of grabbing was called up until the late 70s/early 80s(?) in the NFL and college. Up until that time football was relatively boring compared to today's game due to lots of holding forcing teams into punts and lots of sacks doing the same. Teams would run 40-50 plays a game. No hurry up offense. Not many roughing the QB calls. QBs were scared s--tless and used to throw about as many interceptions as they did TDs and the scores were much lower. Defense always catches up to offensive innovations and rule changes, so the leagues keep making adjustments to help offenses. For offensive holding to be called a defender has to have slipped past the OL and if the OL grabs or 'continues' to hold then you usually see a flag. Or, if the OL pulls the defender to the ground, it's usually holding. That's my self-invented definition of holding.

Defensive holding is a much easier call since it usually involves a LB or DB holding a TE, RB or WR out in the open.

MSU got called for holding, a lot, early in the season and I have to think that the Bobcat' (as every coach/player in the country should) OL coaches and players have already pushed the envelope in order to establish what they can and can't get away with. I don't think MSU did anything differently than they have all season after they established what it could and couldn't do. Against Utah Tech they were called for holding three times in the first quarter.

Both Grebe and Eiden were lined up outside of the tackle. Eiden 100% grabbed ahold of the tackle with his right hand, which kept the tackle from stepping out to block Grebe. It was defensive holding. But no more egregious than the offensive holding that wasn’t called on other plays.

I apologize for the spelling error. No excuse.

Anyway, in the current ESPN+ On Demand game that's up as of this post, start watching at the 2:14:50 mark.

The way the game was being called, that is a good play.

I don't disagree lol. My whole point is this game was called in the favor of the opposite colored glasses of the observer. And I still contend both teams kept escalating in the second half to see where the line was located. Spoiler alert: there was no line.

I agree that both teams escalated it, I remember seeing O'Reily getting pulled down from behind on what turned out to be a pretty good run for USD. Another play our OG and OT double teamed their good DE and the each had a hand on the numbers on his back, kind of a big 3 man bearhug.