What if…

[Montanabob]

Last year I could easily see 3 regular season losses on the schedule at this same point: SDSU, Idaho or SAC (but not both), and dUMb. You always hope to exceed expectations and last year was disappointing, but I wasn't surprised by the result. Getting the 9 seed in the for the 3rd straight year was total garbage from the committee. Thankfully that piece has been fixed with 16 total seeds.

This year I simply don't see the same potential losses on the schedule. Maybe the Lobos? Maybe dUMb? Maybe one of either UI or SAC again? I doubt it in all cases. If we go 8-4 with this year with this schedule, it would be a severe disappointment and should be considered a VERY bad season.

If we lose to dUMb at home and go 8-4 with an early playoff loss, I would expect to hear plenty of rumblings from the fan base. Not from me mind you, but plenty from others.

UNM is going to be a close game. it depends on if we show up in the 4th qtr. After that, i am not seeing a possible loss until UM and that is the same issue, do we show up in the 1st and 4th quarter.

[autocat]

What if……………………………… a frogs ass wasn’t water sealed

[Monymony]

Question for everyone as I don’t know the answer. Bobcat coaches seem to have to win in Missoula to be loved… do gris coaches have to win in Bozeman to be great. I understand bobcat stadium isn’t wagris but it’s pretty legit. When was the last time Bobby won in Bozeman (don’t wanna jinx it) but it’s been a while.

[TomCat88]

Question for everyone as I don’t know the answer. Bobcat coaches seem to have to win in Missoula to be loved… do gris coaches have to win in Bozeman to be great. I understand bobcat stadium isn’t wagris but it’s pretty legit. When was the last time Bobby won in Bozeman (don’t wanna jinx it) but it’s been a while.

Hauck won in Bozeman three games ago in his Cat-Griz career. 2022 - lost, 2019 - lost; 2017 - NA; 2015 - NA; 2013 - NA; 2011 - NA; 2009 - won. Hauck is 2-4 in Cat-Griz games played in Bozeman. He's 7-5 overall.

[TomCat88]

Since 2009 the home team is 6-8. From 2009 to 2018 the home team was just 2-7 (2-8*). This rivalry has had very few, what I would call, normal stretches. Since 2018, every game has been a blowout. From 1997 to 2006 was probably one of the longest stretches of what I'd call normal. UM was 7-3 in those games, but many of them were either fairly competitive to very close (1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006) with 1999 and 2000 being the outliers. That was when Hysell became ill and struggled through the 1999 season and Kramer took over in 2000 and completely revamped the team ending up with just 4(?) seniors.

2009 - L
2010 - L
2011 - L (forfeited so NA*)
2012 - L
2013 - L
2014 - W
2015 - L
2016 - L
2017 - W
2018 - L

[coloradocat]

Question for everyone as I don’t know the answer. Bobcat coaches seem to have to win in Missoula to be loved… do gris coaches have to win in Bozeman to be great. I understand bobcat stadium isn’t wagris but it’s pretty legit. When was the last time Bobby won in Bozeman (don’t wanna jinx it) but it’s been a while.

I imagine the streak kind of changed griz fans' perspective of the game relative to their coaches. They are held to the standard of the glory days (playing in the championship game) more than winning Cat-griz. I'm sure that has shifted somewhat now that they only win the game half the time but I'm sure it's still there.

[tdub]

Does Vigen have to start dominating the gris to be considered a successful bobcat coach? 1-2 against the gris isn’t great especially compared to what Choate started to do.

At this point, Vigen has coached 10 fewer games than Choate did.

Vigen current record: 32-8
Choate final record: 28-22

Assuming Vigen doesn't have a 1-11 year this year, I feel pretty confident in calling him a successful Bobcat coach, regardless of what he does against the gris. Does that final regular season game mean a lot? Yes, yes it does. Should it be the one determining factor for success? IMO, no, no it should not.

Just my .02.

I was at the 2015 Cat-Griz game visiting from Portland and knew Ash was being let go by 9pm that night at the R-Bar from my group that included QB Club and former players. Prukop especially and the offense including Herbert, Sandland, and Newell willed that team on talent alone to wins in games where the defense was overwhelmed by average teams. Depth was awful and Choate had two rough seasons to start out. Read this board back then to see how some wanted him gone. Vigen inherited a great situation and frankly, the team is loaded this year and should compete for a national title. That’s a lot of pressure and 8-4 isn’t going to cut it again without a hot seat.

2025 was “MSU’s year” at the start of the 2023 season. That has come to fruition through today and probably until something drastic happens to change that.

2023 went better than expected (for me at least; a couple huge plays vs EW and NA helped).

2024 went about how everyone expected in the regular season. The exception being the defense looking much better than anticipated early. That got hopes up and when the defense struggled late it led to disappointment for a lot of fans.

If MSU goes 8-4 this season, it will be a major letdown. That scenario would likely include four losses to some combination of: at New Mexico, at Cal Poly, at EW, vs UM, vs Idaho, vs SAC. Most likely the first four.

That scenario would see Vigen going to the championship, then to the semis, then out in the second round after a bye, then 8-4 and possibly traveling in the first round with a team many foresaw as a contender for the championship to go along with a 1-3 record vs UM. Hot seat at the very least but most likely gone and definitely a lot of people saying he should be gone. There would have to be a reason beyond anything he could control to save his job.

I’m a bit confused. This year is 2024, right?

It's the year 2024, but it's currently the 2025 season.

Sorry, I have to dispute that. Football is a fall sport, so last season was the 2023 season even if the championship game was played in January 2024. The 2023 official NCAA bracket on the NCAA site has SDSU beating UM 23-3

[grizzh8r]

Does Vigen have to start dominating the gris to be considered a successful bobcat coach? 1-2 against the gris isn’t great especially compared to what Choate started to do.

At this point, Vigen has coached 10 fewer games than Choate did.

Vigen current record: 32-8
Choate final record: 28-22

Assuming Vigen doesn't have a 1-11 year this year, I feel pretty confident in calling him a successful Bobcat coach, regardless of what he does against the gris. Does that final regular season game mean a lot? Yes, yes it does. Should it be the one determining factor for success? IMO, no, no it should not.

Just my .02.

I was at the 2015 Cat-Griz game visiting from Portland and knew Ash was being let go by 9pm that night at the R-Bar from my group that included QB Club and former players. Prukop especially and the offense including Herbert, Sandland, and Newell willed that team on talent alone to wins in games where the defense was overwhelmed by average teams. Depth was awful and Choate had two rough seasons to start out. Read this board back then to see how some wanted him gone. Vigen inherited a great situation and frankly, the team is loaded this year and should compete for a national title. That’s a lot of pressure and 8-4 isn’t going to cut it again without a hot seat.

2025 was “MSU’s year” at the start of the 2023 season. That has come to fruition through today and probably until something drastic happens to change that.

2023 went better than expected (for me at least; a couple huge plays vs EW and NA helped).

2024 went about how everyone expected in the regular season. The exception being the defense looking much better than anticipated early. That got hopes up and when the defense struggled late it led to disappointment for a lot of fans.

If MSU goes 8-4 this season, it will be a major letdown. That scenario would likely include four losses to some combination of: at New Mexico, at Cal Poly, at EW, vs UM, vs Idaho, vs SAC. Most likely the first four.

That scenario would see Vigen going to the championship, then to the semis, then out in the second round after a bye, then 8-4 and possibly traveling in the first round with a team many foresaw as a contender for the championship to go along with a 1-3 record vs UM. Hot seat at the very least but most likely gone and definitely a lot of people saying he should be gone. There would have to be a reason beyond anything he could control to save his job.

I’m a bit confused. This year is 2024, right?

It's the year 2024, but it's currently the 2025 season.

Sorry, I have to dispute that. Football is a fall sport, so last season was the 2023 season even if the championship game was played in January 2024. The 2023 official NCAA bracket on the NCAA site has SDSU beating UM 23-3

Agreed, don't know what Tom is smoking. I have NEVER heard anything state anything otherwise. Just a bizarre post.

[TomCat88]

Does Vigen have to start dominating the gris to be considered a successful bobcat coach? 1-2 against the gris isn’t great especially compared to what Choate started to do.

At this point, Vigen has coached 10 fewer games than Choate did.

Vigen current record: 32-8
Choate final record: 28-22

Assuming Vigen doesn't have a 1-11 year this year, I feel pretty confident in calling him a successful Bobcat coach, regardless of what he does against the gris. Does that final regular season game mean a lot? Yes, yes it does. Should it be the one determining factor for success? IMO, no, no it should not.

Just my .02.

I was at the 2015 Cat-Griz game visiting from Portland and knew Ash was being let go by 9pm that night at the R-Bar from my group that included QB Club and former players. Prukop especially and the offense including Herbert, Sandland, and Newell willed that team on talent alone to wins in games where the defense was overwhelmed by average teams. Depth was awful and Choate had two rough seasons to start out. Read this board back then to see how some wanted him gone. Vigen inherited a great situation and frankly, the team is loaded this year and should compete for a national title. That’s a lot of pressure and 8-4 isn’t going to cut it again without a hot seat.

2025 was “MSU’s year” at the start of the 2023 season. That has come to fruition through today and probably until something drastic happens to change that.

2023 went better than expected (for me at least; a couple huge plays vs EW and NA helped).

2024 went about how everyone expected in the regular season. The exception being the defense looking much better than anticipated early. That got hopes up and when the defense struggled late it led to disappointment for a lot of fans.

If MSU goes 8-4 this season, it will be a major letdown. That scenario would likely include four losses to some combination of: at New Mexico, at Cal Poly, at EW, vs UM, vs Idaho, vs SAC. Most likely the first four.

That scenario would see Vigen going to the championship, then to the semis, then out in the second round after a bye, then 8-4 and possibly traveling in the first round with a team many foresaw as a contender for the championship to go along with a 1-3 record vs UM. Hot seat at the very least but most likely gone and definitely a lot of people saying he should be gone. There would have to be a reason beyond anything he could control to save his job.

I’m a bit confused. This year is 2024, right?

It's the year 2024, but it's currently the 2025 season.

Sorry, I have to dispute that. Football is a fall sport, so last season was the 2023 season even if the championship game was played in January 2024. The 2023 official NCAA bracket on the NCAA site has SDSU beating UM 23-3

Agreed, don't know what Tom is smoking. I have NEVER heard anything state anything otherwise. Just a bizarre post.

Dude, I like, thought this was the basketball board.

[Bobcatsinmso]

What if……………………………… a frogs ass wasn’t water sealed

What if........Cat4lyfe decided to pop in again for the year with a new screen name....

[tdub]

What if……………………………… a frogs ass wasn’t water sealed

What if........Cat4lyfe decided to pop in again for the year with a new screen name....

Ya, I smell a potential rat too