CATS IN? CATS OUT?

Catz Rock · Post by **Catz Rock** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:32 pm

jagur1 wrote:

Cat got your tongue?

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 10:48 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote:
iaafan wrote:
Not so fast my friends....The committee will have a hard time sneaking UM in w/o MSU noticing. They don't want to feel the heat, so if they let UM in, then they will let MSU in, too. Can you see them sweating? "Oh we'll just let UM in and make MSU stay home. They won't notice." After MSU just beat UM. The committes names are made public. Esp. if MSU wins the game decidedly. Say MSU 34, UM 13.
Also, MSU damn near beat an OSU team that was up 28-9 on the No. 2 ranked Texas Longhorns. When it's real close those kinds of things will/should be pointed out.
First their names are already public.

Second, I don’t think they care about the heat.
Third, one of the over ridding factors is the $ and nobody brings more to the table than the GRIZ.

They may not care about the heat now, but they will after they make that decision. UM-MSU is the biggest I-AA rivalry in the nation. It would be a second rate move to take UM after MSU knocks them off given the scenario I laid out. Remember, I'm not saying they won't take UM, I just saying they won't leave MSU home if they beat UM. I just don't think there will be any 8-3 teams out there that have a) played as tough a schedule; b) played all Div. I teams; c) played any I-A teams.

Cat-theotherwhitemeat · Post by **Cat-theotherwhitemeat** » Mon Nov 07, 2005 11:44 pm

Catz Rock wrote:Cat-theotherwhitemeat..... Is that your graduation picture?

NICE!!!!

I thought I told everyone what that picture was.....prom. Me and my date.

grizbeer · Post by **grizbeer** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:00 am

grizzh8r wrote:
grizbeer wrote:Plus you have to throw in that UM would only have 3 losses to MSU's 4.
FYI, If we finish 7-4, one of those losses would be to Okla. State, giving us 3 DI-AA losses.

True, but one of Montana's losses was to #10 (BCS) Oregon, so Montana would only have 2 I-AA losses, so the argument doesn't change.

As far as the heat, from picking Montana right after losing to MSU, it would be nothing compared to the heat of taking of 7-4 team over an 8-3 team. Like I said, Furman just beat Ga. Southern, and is still ranked 4 spots higher in the polls.

I hope Montana State gets in to the playoffs, but I think if ti comes down to bumping an 8-3 Montana team out it isn't going to happen.

grizbeer · Post by **grizbeer** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:07 am

iaafan wrote: Good grief. Is Elrod included in the GPI ratings?

No, thank God. here are than rankings and methods for GPI:
Total = (ARC + 3 polls used)/9
ARC (Adjusted Rankings of the Computers) = Sum of 6 computer ranking numbers (removing the max and min number from the 8 used)
Computer rankings:
MAS = Massey, MAT = Matthews, SAG = Sagarin, LAZ = Laz Index, DWI = Dwiggins, SEL = Self, ASH = Ashburn, SOR = Sorenson.
Polls:
SNW = Sports Network, UAA = ESPN/USA Today, AGS = Any Given Saturday

http://www.i-aa.org/article.asp?articleid=74018

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:13 am

[/quote]
I hope Montana State gets in to the playoffs, but I think if ti comes down to bumping an 8-3 Montana team out it isn't going to happen.[/quote]

I don't think that's the arguement at all. Obviously UM goes if they're 8-3, there's no way that won't happen. What puts the pressure on the committee is not making MSU an at-large (with all the previously mentioned credentials) at 7-4 over many of the inferior 8-3 teams. If a team is 8-3, but didn't play a 1-A, didn't play all .500+ I-AA teams, and played a DII, then a 7-4 like MSU should get in. MSU would have quality wins over ISU, NDSU, WSU, SFA and UM...IF...it goes as described. All those teams were in the Top 25 in all kinds of polls (computer and human) at some point this year.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:08 am

iaafan wrote:

I hope Montana State gets in to the playoffs, but I think if ti comes down to bumping an 8-3 Montana team out it isn't going to happen.[/quote]

I don't think that's the arguement at all. Obviously UM goes if they're 8-3, there's no way that won't happen. What puts the pressure on the committee is not making MSU an at-large (with all the previously mentioned credentials) at 7-4 over many of the inferior 8-3 teams. If a team is 8-3, but didn't play a 1-A, didn't play all .500+ I-AA teams, and played a DII, then a 7-4 like MSU should get in. MSU would have quality wins over ISU, NDSU, WSU, SFA and UM...IF...it goes as described. All those teams were in the Top 25 in all kinds of polls (computer and human) at some point this year.[/quote]

The committee hasn’t had a problem screwing others in the past. I think what bodes well for msu is the potential crowed. How the NCAA loves the $.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:28 am

All of this speculation is definitely interesting. All I know is that if we can get to Cheney and dispatch Eastern – I’ll definitely be one happy camper. Because if we lose, I shudder to think what could happen. If we do lose, and the Griz beat Sac. State, and then we turn around and beat the Griz, we would be 7-3 against D1, just like the Griz. The committee would definitely take the Griz, but they could easily shun us and say “Nope”. They don’t care how mad it would make us. (See Cal-Poly last year). And the fact that we all know we were a better team than the Griz this year would not matter one bit. They would be in the playoffs… and we’d be watching them on TV. Luckily, I have a feeling we win in Cheney.

Regarding Eastern – I’ve heard people saying things like, “let’s keep it close and hope we end up with the ball last”. I can guarantee that is not the game plan. The game plan will be similar to NAU last year. Punch them in the mouth early and don’t let up until you’re up by 50. Confidence will be key. Go Cats!

Post by **kmax** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:37 am

catatac wrote: Regarding Eastern – I’ve heard people saying things like, “let’s keep it close and hope we end up with the ball last”. I can guarantee that is not the game plan. The game plan will be similar to NAU last year. Punch them in the mouth early and don’t let up until you’re up by 50. Confidence will be key. Go Cats!

After last years EWU game I don't think we should let up at 50 either.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:48 pm

grizbeer wrote:
grizzh8r wrote:
grizbeer wrote:Plus you have to throw in that UM would only have 3 losses to MSU's 4.
FYI, If we finish 7-4, one of those losses would be to Okla. State, giving us 3 DI-AA losses.
True, but one of Montana's losses was to #10 (BCS) Oregon, so Montana would only have 2 I-AA losses, so the argument doesn't change.

As far as the heat, from picking Montana right after losing to MSU, it would be nothing compared to the heat of taking of 7-4 team over an 8-3 team. Like I said, Furman just beat Ga. Southern, and is still ranked 4 spots higher in the polls.

I hope Montana State gets in to the playoffs, but I think if ti comes down to bumping an 8-3 Montana team out it isn't going to happen.

I was just saying that 3 DI-AA losses would potentially get MSU in to the Playoffs, according to the rules. BTW, should the Griz lose thier next 2 games, they finish 6-3 in DI-AA. Enough wins to get you in? I don't know...

Cat-theotherwhitemeat · Post by **Cat-theotherwhitemeat** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:00 pm

Where's the prediction thread for this weekend's game? I don't want to jinx your team so I'll let a Cat fan start it.

MaZooLaGriz · Post by **MaZooLaGriz** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:37 am

Cat-theotherwhitemeat wrote:Wait a minute!! What if the Griz lose their last two games?

Yeah, right.

grizbeer · Post by **grizbeer** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:43 am

grizzh8r wrote:
grizbeer wrote:
grizzh8r wrote:
grizbeer wrote:Plus you have to throw in that UM would only have 3 losses to MSU's 4.
FYI, If we finish 7-4, one of those losses would be to Okla. State, giving us 3 DI-AA losses.
True, but one of Montana's losses was to #10 (BCS) Oregon, so Montana would only have 2 I-AA losses, so the argument doesn't change.

As far as the heat, from picking Montana right after losing to MSU, it would be nothing compared to the heat of taking of 7-4 team over an 8-3 team. Like I said, Furman just beat Ga. Southern, and is still ranked 4 spots higher in the polls.

I hope Montana State gets in to the playoffs, but I think if ti comes down to bumping an 8-3 Montana team out it isn't going to happen.
I was just saying that 3 DI-AA losses would potentially get MSU in to the Playoffs, according to the rules. BTW, should the Griz lose thier next 2 games, they finish 6-3 in DI-AA. Enough wins to get you in? I don't know...

If the Griz lose their next 2 games they are out, and should be out. I agree with you, if the Cats finish 7-4 they should be in the playoffs given their schedule.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Wed Nov 09, 2005 11:58 am

MaZooLaGriz wrote:
Cat-theotherwhitemeat wrote:Wait a minute!! What if the Griz lose their last two games?
Yeah, right.

Mazoolagriz,
Just in from a little socializing when you posted this (I saw your post time)?