Secondary coach: Gerald Alexander

[kmax]

For some reason everyone was assuming that cornerbacks and safeties would have their own separate coach, but that the offensive coordinator wouldn't be a separate coach. That is completely bass-ackwards from the traditional hiring model. The Cats just ended up doing that last year because Cramsey is a good coach and Marshall was a lousy one. There's no particular reason to assume the Cats would do it this year when they have no particular reason to want their secondary coach to do as little coaching as possible. In all likelihood, the Cats will hire two coordinators and a QB coach, bringing their total of coaches to 11.

I'm a little uncertain why you would think they are planning to hire two coordinators and a separate QB coach when the list that you even quoted quite plainly shows 2 positions still TBA and one of them is a combo OC/QB coach.

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Because the theory that the list is wrong makes more sense than the theory that Choate thinks ten coaches he likes are better than eleven coaches he likes.

The only other reasonable theory I can come up with is that Choate is manipulating the budget, paying more money for coaches he likes more.

Or as I mentioned earlier one coach may be a grad assistant.


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I dont think GA's count to the 11 coaches, and they are limited on what they can do and you can only have 2, one on offense and one on defense.

I think typically the FCS has 11 coaches, (1 HC, 5 offensive 5 deffensive) then 2 GA's and a strength and conditioning coach

I could be completely wrong, all I am going off of is the NCAA manual definitions for coaching limits but the way it reads to me is there is no split in the types of coaches when listing the maximum number for FCS like there is for FBS.

For FBS it specifically spells out the number of each type of coach:

11.7.4 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be a limit of one head coach, nine assistant coaches
and four graduate assistant coaches who may be employed by an institution in bowl subdivision football. (Revised:
4/28/11 effective 8/1/12)

Whereas the section for FCS reads as such:

11.7.5 Championship Subdivision Football. [FCS] There shall be a limit of 11 coaches of any type
who may be employed by an institution in championship subdivision football. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92,
1/16/93, 1/9/96, 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04, 12/15/06)

thus the use of the word "typically" in my post

But my point is the way the rule reads to me the scenario you lay out would be 13 coaches, thus why I am saying is it doesn't seem correct.


Edit to add that the strength and conditioning coach does not count amongst that is spelled out separately in a subsection of those rules.

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Pretty sure that GAs do not count against the 11, and that FCS can have 2, and yes, as I posted the strength coach doesn't count against the 11 either

Ok, if you are pretty sure...

If you have a source I'd love to see it, because according to the manual you can have undergrad assistants in addition to that 11 but not graduate assistant coaches.

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[cats2506]

OK, So I looked over the DI manual and I agree that it only specifies FBS for additional GA coaches, It seems kind of weird to me that they would do that, since the GA program is the best way to get prospective young coaches started. Why would a FCS team have a GA if it counted against the limits and they are limited in what they can do?

I was basing my post on a conversation I had with Kempt the year he was a GA at MSU (2010 ?), I asked how the GA program worked and he explained that he didn't count against the limit of coaches but there were some functions that he could not do (recruiting)

[DriscollCat]

OK, So I looked over the DI manual and I agree that it only specifies FBS for additional GA coaches, It seems kind of weird to me that they would do that, since the GA program is the best way to get prospective young coaches started. Why would a FCS team have a GA if it counted against the limits and they are limited in what they can do?

I would offer a guess that generally, FCS budgets are not large enough to fill out an 11 person paid staff after paying the top few coaches, especially the HC, competitive salaries. It would give teams with significantly smaller budgets a way to fill out (or mostly fill out) a staff using payment in kind.

[wbtfg]

OK, So I looked over the DI manual and I agree that it only specifies FBS for additional GA coaches, It seems kind of weird to me that they would do that, since the GA program is the best way to get prospective young coaches started. Why would a FCS team have a GA if it counted against the limits and they are limited in what they can do?

I would offer a guess that generally, FCS budgets are not large enough to fill out an 11 person paid staff after paying the top few coaches, especially the HC, competitive salaries. It would give teams with significantly smaller budgets a way to fill out (or mostly fill out) a staff using payment in kind.

It looks like both EWU and UM have an 11 person staff and we had an 11 person full time staff last year.

Ash
Marshall
Cramsey
Ioane
Beck
Rider
Deparato
Pitre
Kempt
Owens
Eck

[DriscollCat]

OK, So I looked over the DI manual and I agree that it only specifies FBS for additional GA coaches, It seems kind of weird to me that they would do that, since the GA program is the best way to get prospective young coaches started. Why would a FCS team have a GA if it counted against the limits and they are limited in what they can do?

I would offer a guess that generally, FCS budgets are not large enough to fill out an 11 person paid staff after paying the top few coaches, especially the HC, competitive salaries. It would give teams with significantly smaller budgets a way to fill out (or mostly fill out) a staff using payment in kind.

It looks like both EWU and UM have an 11 person staff and we had an 11 person full time staff last year.

Ash
Marshall
Cramsey
Ioane
Beck
Rider
Deparato
Pitre
Kempt
Owens
Eck

Right. But, what we paid the lowest salaried coaches was about as little as you could get away with, and I would guess that our budget is well above the average FCS football team. What I am saying is that I would be willing to bet that there are plenty of schools that are not able to fill out an 11 coach staff without the use of GAs, and the way the rule is written allows those schools an opportunity to fill out their staff (or at least get most of the way there).

Edit:Like I said, I am just venturing a guess here, but I think it stands to reason.