GPI Through 10/9

[Hello Kitty]

Mullet,

What do you honestly expect when there are 2 colleges in one great state in the same conference and both have great FB programs?

Think before you preach. It is all in good fun anyway.

[JahGriz]

nice post mulletman. You are exactly right, especially concerning the schedules. Maine and Hofstra were both quality teams. UNC was supposed to be a top 25 team, SHSU wasn't in the preseason top 25. You never know. If anyone trys to say Maine, Hofstra, or SHSU couldn't not on any given year take anyone out they are crazy. The fact is you never really know.
As far as this year, SDSU played Cal Poly tougher than any other team so far and beat UC Davis who is not pushover, ask Stanford. Oregon is a top 20 team at this point. Cal Poly speaks for themselves. I wouldn't exactly call SFA a jugernaught or say they are better than SDSU. That would be speculation. Ft. Lewis, there is no excuse for. But there was no excuse for the cats to schedule Adams St. or Cent.Wash or St. Marys who might as well have been DII if they weren't, I forget.
The cats finally have a year without a DII team on the schedule and now they think they have fought thru tough schedules for years, and that the Griz constantly have weak schedules.

[Hell's Bells]

mullet,

Go over to egriz, count up the # of Cat-related posts STARTED by griz fans, as well as the # of threads that start as Griz items but the Cats end up being dragged into it...

Maybe you might want to reassess your position that it's worse over here.

A few examples for you:

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10731

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10721

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10728


This last one I'll offer is hysterical; it starts out with the sports network prediction for EWU/Griz, and 2 posts later, it's all about the Cats/PSU!

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10693


My point, mullet? Both sides are guilty of the same shiznit; you're fooling yourself (& trying to fool us) if you think it's any different or better west of the divide...

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10626

you missed one....

btw i will vouch for egriz and ggg as being as one poster put it "nazis" but they try to run a pretty clean bord there

this thread was started by our fav celtic cat in the football section but quickly turned into a "lets smack lulay the best we can" type of thread

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10694

hey mullet...actually read what you have written before you post...eh??

[mulletman]

sheesh...thanks for the warm reception.

All I was saying is why do you feel the need to criticize the grizzlies for something when the bobcats (and most other teams) do things virtually the same way? You know that whole glass houses and not throwing stones thing?

The bobcat strength of schedule has been roughly the same as the griz so how can you justify bashing them about that? All teams play better at home so is a worse road record a legitimate criticsim? I don't think so.

You can enjoy the rivalry all you want but you could at least come up with legitimate (or at least amusing) ways to talk smack about the other team, not this whole "cupcake schedule" stuff.

And for the record, I am fully aware that the grizzlies also have their share of lunatic fans and said so in my first post. I just don't see a reason to be antigrizzly more than you are probobcat and that just seems to be the case for some people. But, whatever.

[Eastcoastgriz]

Two games cancelled in forever. What pattern. Do you think this will affect our ability to attract games in the future? I don't. Ask a fan of any top 25 program and the vast majority will say they would love a home and home with the GRIZ. Can you honestly say that if the cats had the schedule we had and Oregon can to you for a game, that paid huge money ($400,000), you would not want your AD to drop Central Washington and pick up Oregon??

No, two games cancelled in two years. That is an emerging pattern, whether you like it or not.

No, I don't think it will affect the ability of the griz to attract future games - yet. I agree that there are NO schools that wouldn't want a home and home with the griz. Problem is, the griz don't want a home and home, they only want to play in Missoula.

The Cats probably would have done the same thing you did regarding Oregon and Central Washington. Difference is, Fields would have a little more integrity than to schedule the CWU game if he was still out looking for a I-A game to take its place.

We weren't out looking for a IA game, I beleive they came to us.

[BozoneCat]

You mean original, legitimate smack such as ending every conversation with "oh, you just have griz envy"?! LMAO

I don't see anyone on this board who is more anti-grizzly than pro-bobcat. I can't imagine anyone who would actually choose a grizzly loss over a Bobcat win. To assume differently just goes to prove why you shouldn't assume anything (ASS out of you and me...)

Since you haven't made a similar post over at efriz, I'll just ASSUME you are a closet griz fan trying to stir up this board.

[BozoneCat]

We wernt out looking for a IA game, they came to us.

Bullsh*t.

[Eastcoastgriz]

We wernt out looking for a IA game, they came to us.

Bullsh*t.

That’s what I was told by one of UM's deans. Did he lie to me? It isn't possible that that Oregon approached us?

[BozoneCat]

That’s what I was told by one of UM's deans. Did he lie to me? It isn't possible that that Oregon approached us?

I'm not calling you a liar. I believe you when you say that is what you were told.

I am, however, calling BS on anyone who says UM had nothing to do with putting out feelers for the Oregon game. O'Day was getting a considerable amount of heat because of the schedule that had 2 D-II games on it. To his credit, he went out and did something about it, and got UM into a much better situation by anyone's account. I would highly, highly doubt that UM had nothing to do with it, especially considering who the AD is at Oregon. Again though, my whole point is that you shouldn't schedule teams and sign a contract with them if you have every intention of bailing when a better offer comes along. I would be just as hard on MSU if they did that.

[Eastcoastgriz]

I am, however, calling BS on anyone who says UM had nothing to do with putting out feelers for the Oregon game. O'Day was getting a considerable amount of heat because of the schedule that had 2 D-II games on it. To his credit, he went out and did something about it, and got UM into a much better situation by anyone's account. I would highly, highly doubt that UM had nothing to do with it, especially considering who the AD is at Oregon. Again though, my whole point is that you shouldn't schedule teams and sign a contract with them if you have every intention of bailing when a better offer comes along. I would be just as hard on MSU if they did that.

First, you are giving us too much credit with regards to playing Oregon. I very confident they initiated the talks.

Why do you continue with the complete falsehoods?? We had no intentions of bailing on Western WA when we sign the contract. We had ever intension of play Western WA when we signed the contract.

Quit kidding yourself! If you had two lower level games on the schedule and Oregon open up, you would be thrilled that your AD made the move.

[BozoneCat]

Why do you continue with the complete falsehoods?? We had no intentions of bailing on Western WA when we sign the contract. We had ever intension of play Western WA when we signed the contract.

Complete falsehoods? They are my opinions, and I have qualified them as such.

BTW, I know you had no intentions of bailing on Western WA. Well, that could be because you had scheduled Central WA. Details, I know... Just to be clear, I am not saying that O'Day or Read (?) scheduled CWU with the clear intent of dropping them later on. But they obviously had no qualms about paying them off when a better offer came along. Hint: It's called "business ethics"...

Quit kidding yourself! If you had two lower level games on the schedule and Oregon open up, you would be thrilled that your AD made the move.

No, I would be pissed that my AD scheduled 2 D-II games in the first place!

[GOKATS]

I am, however, calling BS on anyone who says UM had nothing to do with putting out feelers for the Oregon game. O'Day was getting a considerable amount of heat because of the schedule that had 2 D-II games on it. To his credit, he went out and did something about it, and got UM into a much better situation by anyone's account. I would highly, highly doubt that UM had nothing to do with it, especially considering who the AD is at Oregon. Again though, my whole point is that you shouldn't schedule teams and sign a contract with them if you have every intention of bailing when a better offer comes along. I would be just as hard on MSU if they did that.

First, you are giving us too much credit with regards to playing Oregon. I very confident they initiated the talks.

UM athltetics had a serious budget deficit.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Why do you continue with the complete falsehoods?? We had no intentions of bailing on Western WA when we sign the contract. We had ever intension of play Western WA when we signed the contract.

Quit kidding yourself! If you had two lower level games on the schedule and Oregon open up, you would be thrilled that your AD made the move.

[Eastcoastgriz]

Complete falsehoods? They are my opinions, and I have qualified them as such!

Most people base their opinions at least a little bit on the facts, you should try it.

And then this?????????

BTW, I know you had no intentions of bailing on Western WA. Well, that could be because you had scheduled Central WA. Details, I know... Just to be clear, I am not saying that O'Day or Read (?) scheduled CWU with the clear intent of dropping them later on. But they obviously had no qualms about paying them off when a better offer came along. Hint: It's called "business ethics"....

Are you kidding me? Here one of your quotes
"Memo to grizzly ADs: Don't sign a contract with another school if you have no intentions of standing by it! "

Above you state these are just your opinions and in the next paragraph, you state you knew we had no intensions of canceling the contracts.

Help me out, what is it? Did we sign the contract knowing we were going to cancel or as you stated above , you knew we had no intension of canceling when we signed.

Quit kidding yourself! If you had two lower level games on the schedule and Oregon open up, you would be thrilled that your AD made the move.

No, I would be pissed that my AD scheduled 2 D-II games in the first place!

So you would not be thrilled that one of the D-II games went away?

By the way it not called "business ethics" its call good business. Maybe you are not aware that business contracts get re-negotiated at the time.

[eRat-a-Cat-er]

... No, I would be pissed that my AD scheduled 2 D-II games in the first place!

Well how about your 2002 schedule:
1) St. Marys (I-AA true cupcake prior to dropping football)
2) Adams State
3) Central Washington

Man you must of been REALLY P!SSED!
Looks like MSU still holds the WEAK schedule trophy!

[BozoneCat]

Most people base their opinions at least a little bit on the facts, you should try it.

You are truly an idiot.

BTW, I know you had no intentions of bailing on Western WA. Well, that could be because you had scheduled Central WA. Details, I know... Just to be clear, I am not saying that O'Day or Read (?) scheduled CWU with the clear intent of dropping them later on. But they obviously had no qualms about paying them off when a better offer came along. Hint: It's called "business ethics"....

Above you state these are just your opinions and in the next paragraph, you state you knew we had no intensions of canceling the contracts.

Help me out, what is it? Did we sign the contract knowing we were going to cancel or as you stated above , you knew we had no intension of canceling when we signed.

Read my quote a little more clearly. You said something about Western Washington, and I was making a tongue-in-cheek point that you actually bailed on Central Washington, not Western.

I'll try and make this really clear. I don't think the UM A.D. signed the contract with CWU saying to himself, "We're just going to sign this contract so we can back out of it later on, ha ha ha!" I think they initially signed the contract because that is who they wanted on the schedule, or because they couldn't find another I-AA team to sign a contract to play them that wouldn't be a home-and-home (griz wanted a one-game contract to play in Missoula). Either that, or they signed the contract with CWU with the thought that they would have a game guaranteed in case they couldn't find a I-A team to play, and this way they wouldn't be stuck with no game at all. This summer, all of the rumbling started in friz land when friz fans started to make a fuss because of having two D-II games. Then O'Day started to think, "Oh sh*t, I'd better do something, or my first year will really look bad." So he put out the word that UM would be interested in a I-A game if anyone was looking to pick up a I-AA game. Fortunately for him, UM's old A.D. heard the call, had an open date, and bailed UM out of a pickle.

By the way it not called "business ethics" its call good business. Maybe you are not aware that business contracts get re-negotiated at the time.

I'm sorry, I consider it bad business ethics to renege on a contract you intentionally signed, much less doing it two years in a row. No one held a gun to his head to sign the contract. And yes, I believe that you should stick by your word even if a better offer comes along. Otherwise, your word is as worthless as the piece of paper it is written on.

[BozoneCat]

Well how about your 2002 schedule:
1) St. Marys (I-AA true cupcake prior to dropping football)
2) Adams State
3) Central Washington

Man you must of been REALLY P!SSED!

Yeah, I wasn't too happy with that schedule. Not too happy at all. Neither were most Bobcat fans. We voiced our concerns, our A.D. listened to what we had to say, and you can see the result of that in the schedules we have had since then.

[couloir41]

bozone...even i picked up on your schtick (humor) (sp)...your point was made in obvious fashion...the problem with ecg is that he may well have graduated from the um (remember can't spell cum without um) business curriculum and their school of flaw...which unfortunately makes ecg challenged in pretty much ethically challenged in business or flaw...and i believe that anything remedial is pretty much wasted so maybe you should not waste your time...

[Eastcoastgriz]

I'm sorry, I consider it bad business ethics to renege on a contract you intentionally signed, much less doing it two years in a row. No one held a gun to his head to sign the contract. And yes, I believe that you should stick by your word even if a better offer comes along. Otherwise, your word is as worthless as the piece of paper it is written on.

Just want to make sure I understand. It's bad business ethics to re negotiate a contract? What world do you live in?

[Eastcoastgriz]

Most people base their opinions at least a little bit on the facts, you should try it.

You are truly an idiot.

You're hurting my feelings, please stop.

[Eastcoastgriz]

I'll try and make this really clear. I don't think the UM A.D. signed the contract with CWU saying to himself, "We're just going to sign this contract so we can back out of it later on, ha ha ha!" I think they initially signed the contract because that is who they wanted on the schedule, or because they couldn't find another I-AA team to sign a contract to play them that wouldn't be a home-and-home (griz wanted a one-game contract to play in Missoula). Either that, or they signed the contract with CWU with the thought that they would have a game guaranteed in case they couldn't find a I-A team to play, and this way they wouldn't be stuck with no game at all. This summer, all of the rumbling started in friz land when friz fans started to make a fuss because of having two D-II games. Then O'Day started to think, "Oh sh*t, I'd better do something, or my first year will really look bad." So he put out the word that UM would be interested in a I-A game if anyone was looking to pick up a I-AA game. Fortunately for him, UM's old A.D. heard the call, had an open date, and bailed UM out of a pickle.

Finally something we can agree on, as stated above, "I don't think".

You’re hilarious; you get that little brain going, make some wild assumptions and sazame (sp)- out comes your bs.

Some FACTS.

1. O'day was not the AD when the Oregon contract was signed.
2. We did not cancel our contract with Central Washington, we re-negotiated it.
This one you're having trouble with so all type it twice maybe it will sink in.
3. Oregon approached us
3. Oregon approached us
4. Do you really want to compare the ethics of our sports program to yours.