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[tampa_griz]

kind of makes you wonder what happens at Texas, Alabama, Florida, Penn State, Ohio State and so on that might be getting covered up?

Montana?

What did Montana cover up? Proof please? Any evidence to back that up?

I'm going to try to steer this thread back to the author's original discussion.......

If someone advocates recruiting kids from "non-urban" areas that doesn't necessarily mean they're talking about race (although it could I suppose). Kids from urban areas are just more likely to bring this sort of mentality with them than Montana kids. I'm not saying that Montana kids are any better than Florida or California kids but I think we could all agree that kids from more urban areas have more access to this kind of activity. It's just hard to imagine a graduate from Havre High School being involved in cocaine distribution. The opportunity just isn't there.

Although Fuller came from a good family I have a sense that he didn't learn this behavior in Bozeman. It was likely something he was exposed to in Florida and brought with him.

Obviously coaches need to be creative and think outside the box while recruiting. But as you venture out into the unknown you need to be careful about what type of people you are asking to come to Montana. They're not just student athletes. They live in our communities. And when they put on that uniform and take the field for televised games they're representing the school that they play for as well as the state of Montana.

[Cat Grad]

Perhaps I jumped to a conclusion. But since the post he quoted was dealing with other Universities and possible cover-ups, I made the assumption the "Montana" he was referring to was the University and not the entire state.

Maybe he/she was referring to that other place. Perhaps they were just pointing out that coverups or more appropriately, other institutions handle a pretty large part of the college kid life differently. Hell, I knew professors in Bozo who advocated the legalization of weed and I'm certain that other place has more of that type professor than we do in Bozo. I really don't know what the intention was now.

[tampa_griz]

kind of makes you wonder what happens at Texas, Alabama, Florida, Penn State, Ohio State and so on that might be getting covered up?

Montana?

Geez, even in a thread like this you can't get away from the SMACK??

I didn't really take that as smack but rather with our meth problems, coke bust in Great Falls last summer, wacky tobbacy and drunk driving problems more an observation that it's possibly a part of that other in our state too. You've got to admit that when the Missoula police story broke in the Missoulian about how they aren't going to view weed as a very serious offense a lot of eyes popped.

That wasn't really a "police story" that was broken. It was a vote that Missoulians took to ask the police to make marijuana arrests their lowest priority. The police were against the referendum but it passed anyway.

In the end the referendum won't change anything. They were never conducting marijuana stings for simple possession in the first place. Those that got in trouble for it were already in trouble for something else (DUI, disorderly conduct, etc.) and they happened to be in possession of marijuana when they got in trouble.

[catamaran]

kind of makes you wonder what happens at Texas, Alabama, Florida, Penn State, Ohio State and so on that might be getting covered up?

Montana?

What did Montana cover up? Proof please? Any evidence to back that up?

I'm going to try to steer this thread back to the author's original discussion.......

If someone advocates recruiting kids from "non-urban" areas that doesn't necessarily mean they're talking about race (although it could I suppose). Kids from urban areas are just more likely to bring this sort of mentality with them than Montana kids. I'm not saying that Montana kids are any better than Florida or California kids but I think we could all agree that kids from more urban areas have more access to this kind of activity. It's just hard to imagine a graduate from Havre High School being involved in cocaine distribution. The opportunity just isn't there.

Although Fuller came from a good family I have a sense that he didn't learn this behavior in Bozeman. It was likely something he was exposed to in Florida and brought with him.

Obviously coaches need to be creative and think outside the box while recruiting. But as you venture out into the unknown you need to be careful about what type of people you are asking to come to Montana. They're not just student athletes. They live in our communities. And when they put on that uniform and take the field for televised games they're representing the school that they play for as well as the state of Montana.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that any kid can get into this from anywhere. I've known lots of people from small town (Montana) America that have been big time into dealing etc and now Rural Montana is one of the preeminent places for the production of meth.....did these urban kids bring it there?

[tampa_griz]

kind of makes you wonder what happens at Texas, Alabama, Florida, Penn State, Ohio State and so on that might be getting covered up?

Montana?

What did Montana cover up? Proof please? Any evidence to back that up?

I'm going to try to steer this thread back to the author's original discussion.......

If someone advocates recruiting kids from "non-urban" areas that doesn't necessarily mean they're talking about race (although it could I suppose). Kids from urban areas are just more likely to bring this sort of mentality with them than Montana kids. I'm not saying that Montana kids are any better than Florida or California kids but I think we could all agree that kids from more urban areas have more access to this kind of activity. It's just hard to imagine a graduate from Havre High School being involved in cocaine distribution. The opportunity just isn't there.

Although Fuller came from a good family I have a sense that he didn't learn this behavior in Bozeman. It was likely something he was exposed to in Florida and brought with him.

Obviously coaches need to be creative and think outside the box while recruiting. But as you venture out into the unknown you need to be careful about what type of people you are asking to come to Montana. They're not just student athletes. They live in our communities. And when they put on that uniform and take the field for televised games they're representing the school that they play for as well as the state of Montana.

You seem to be ignoring the fact that any kid can get into this from anywhere. I've known lots of people from small town (Montana) America that have been big time into dealing etc and now Rural Montana is one of the preeminent places for the production of meth.....did these urban kids bring it there?

You're right about the meth thing. But even that drug trade (at least in Montana) is a lot different than the cocaine business in urban areas. It just doesn't seem (for whatever reason) that Montana dealers don't get caught up in the "lifestyle".

Here in Tampa you can witness the activity anytime you like. It has permeated entire neighborhoods and becomes a way of life. I'm not saying that's what happened in Fuller's case. But the daily violence, turf wars, and other activities associated with the cocaine business are not prevelant in Montana. The murder of Jason Wright wouldn't even come close to the front page here.

[4everacatfan]

There is no doubt that Kramer has taken some chances with players that perhaps a coach like Hysell would not have. Sometimes it works out very well for the school and the player-like Junior Adams. Sometimes not.

Our teams under Kramer have had far more speed and athleticism than we ever did under Hysell, Solomonson, or Arnold. Those types of athletes don't always come from places like Three Forks, Whitehall, or Montana City. And with a lot of the state's top athletes (in a state with only 900,000 people) going to some other school-our coaches have a choice-take what you can from in and around Montana, or bring in guys from other places. The fact is we have a lot of guys on our team from Montana, the other fact is-a lot of those guys aren't getting most of the playing time because they've been beat out by guys from other places.


The result: 3 playoff appearances, 3 wins over the griz, 3 shared conference titles, bigger crowds at the games, more interest in the program...and some of that other stuff.

The other option: Go 4-7 most every year and feel better about ourselves?

If Idaho wants start winning again they will have to take chances on some players too. Most will probably work out-some will not.

It doesn't matter what kind of a genius a coach is. If he doesn't have talented players, he won't win.

I was at a booster function a few years ago when i heard for myself Coach Kramer make the remark to the crowd that "you can always tell you have had a good year on the field when the wins go up and the GPA's go down" And the crowd chuckled and he said I am just kidding. That really bothered me that people have the attitude that the best athletes are kids who do not put academics as a priority. I am curious how many 4th -5th year seniors from last year actually received a diploma, because I have heard from boosters that Lulay was going to be the only one but he did not graduate because he took last spring semester off. If that is true that is sad that our Uiversity and the athletic department allow this.

[cat ballou]

There is no doubt that Kramer has taken some chances with players that perhaps a coach like Hysell would not have. Sometimes it works out very well for the school and the player-like Junior Adams. Sometimes not.

Our teams under Kramer have had far more speed and athleticism than we ever did under Hysell, Solomonson, or Arnold. Those types of athletes don't always come from places like Three Forks, Whitehall, or Montana City. And with a lot of the state's top athletes (in a state with only 900,000 people) going to some other school-our coaches have a choice-take what you can from in and around Montana, or bring in guys from other places. The fact is we have a lot of guys on our team from Montana, the other fact is-a lot of those guys aren't getting most of the playing time because they've been beat out by guys from other places.

The result: 3 playoff appearances, 3 wins over the griz, 3 shared conference titles, bigger crowds at the games, more interest in the program...and some of that other stuff.

The other option: Go 4-7 most every year and feel better about ourselves?

If Idaho wants start winning again they will have to take chances on some players too. Most will probably work out-some will not.

It doesn't matter what kind of a genius a coach is. If he doesn't have talented players, he won't win.

Could not have said it any better!

[whizonthegriz]

Off topic a little bit. I think, in general, athletes have something in their disposition that make them extremely successful on the athletic field, but at times can lead to problems off it.

The athletes that are successful off the field can channel it, the ones who are not, can't. In the news recently it compared athletes vs. nonathletes. Athletes look at other people as "obstacles" in their way of accomplishing goals. Nonathletes generally do not look at others that way.

I have two sons, one is extremely competitive and the other is not. They just behave differently, one is the dream child in school and pleases every teacher. The other has teachers who love him or don't. He could care less.