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Stating facts with the data to substantiate those facts can never be construed as "smack" and that's a fact. Only lawyers are able to make a living distorting factsAir_Griz wrote:WOW. IS THIS THREAD LOADED WITH CAT SMACK OR WHAT??
BAC AND THE MODERATORS HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY.
LIKE I SAID:
SMACK IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER - I MEAN MODERATOR.
Ok, I have to admit, I get a little muddled when it comes to people arguing the phantom superiority of MSU academia. I got my degree in Psychology, a field MSU offers significantly fewer courses in. My class also boasted the son of a Professor teaching at MSU. When I asked him why he chose to attend the U he claimed, "because it has a better Psychology program", and when asked why, "more opportunities". It is a fact, check your class listings!Bay Area Cat wrote:MSU has a great film program, actually. MSU has a very good (arguably much better than UM) business program as well.STREETCAT wrote:WELL IF I WANTED TO BE AN ART MAJOR OR LETS SEE, A FILM MAJOR, OR SETTLE FOR A BUSINESS DEGREE THEN UMGRIZNBZMN wrote:Then can you tell me what MSU has over UM in a recruiting battle? Honestly- you're an 18 year old and visiting both venues...You hit the nail on the head???
amazing stadium, great facilities, 23K loud "smart" (ask Coach Kill of S. Illinois, said they were the most knowledgeable fans in the country, actually U.S. is what he said, verbatim) great tailgates, not to mention streak of playoff appearances as well as national championship appearances
vs.
decent stadium (it's getting better), don't know about the facilities, 11-13K fans (depending on the weather), mediocre records, not even sure what they are but seem to lose around 4 games a year, and one playoff in the last how many years?
Tell me where you'd go? Be honest!
BUT IF I WANT TO BE AN ENGINEER, ARCHITECT, PRE-MED, OR ANY SCIENCE MAJOR, I WOULD GO TO BOZEMAN
HAVENT YOU SEEN THE COMERCIALS? ALLMOST ALL ATHLETES GO PRO IN SOMETHING ELSE.
I could take exception to your "settle for a business degree" statement ... but I'm not that insecure. I guess those of us business majors who donate to MSU will just have to find someplace that appreciates our money, eh?
Former High School teammates now play for the Cats/Current friends also play for the Cats
WOW! Air_Griz I love how you are the only guy that still hasn't figured this out. If a thread is started out as pure smack then we usually move it. If a thread actually has substance and is going somewhere we will either try to filter out the smack or move the whole thread. Sometimes we actually let things go if the thread in general is still progressing. It is called judgement, you should try it sometime.Air_Griz wrote:WOW. IS THIS THREAD LOADED WITH CAT SMACK OR WHAT??
BAC AND THE MODERATORS HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY.
LIKE I SAID:
SMACK IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER - I MEAN MODERATOR.
Again, an attempt to distort reality. Forgot about the psychos. Go to the regents and get a psychiatric department to go with your pharmacy school...Topher wrote:Ok, I have to admit, I get a little muddled when it comes to people arguing the phantom superiority of MSU academia. I got my degree in Psychology, a field MSU offers significantly fewer courses in. My class also boasted the son of a Professor teaching at MSU. When I asked him why he chose to attend the U he claimed, "because it has a better Psychology program", and when asked why, "more opportunities". It is a fact, check your class listings!Bay Area Cat wrote:MSU has a great film program, actually. MSU has a very good (arguably much better than UM) business program as well.STREETCAT wrote:WELL IF I WANTED TO BE AN ART MAJOR OR LETS SEE, A FILM MAJOR, OR SETTLE FOR A BUSINESS DEGREE THEN UMGRIZNBZMN wrote:Then can you tell me what MSU has over UM in a recruiting battle? Honestly- you're an 18 year old and visiting both venues...You hit the nail on the head???
amazing stadium, great facilities, 23K loud "smart" (ask Coach Kill of S. Illinois, said they were the most knowledgeable fans in the country, actually U.S. is what he said, verbatim) great tailgates, not to mention streak of playoff appearances as well as national championship appearances
vs.
decent stadium (it's getting better), don't know about the facilities, 11-13K fans (depending on the weather), mediocre records, not even sure what they are but seem to lose around 4 games a year, and one playoff in the last how many years?
Tell me where you'd go? Be honest!
BUT IF I WANT TO BE AN ENGINEER, ARCHITECT, PRE-MED, OR ANY SCIENCE MAJOR, I WOULD GO TO BOZEMAN
HAVENT YOU SEEN THE COMERCIALS? ALLMOST ALL ATHLETES GO PRO IN SOMETHING ELSE.
I could take exception to your "settle for a business degree" statement ... but I'm not that insecure. I guess those of us business majors who donate to MSU will just have to find someplace that appreciates our money, eh?
We have produced more Rhodes scholars than you have (17th in the Nation, 5th in public schools), and we have a little thing called the Davidson's Honors College for students who want a higher challenge. I looked EQUALLY at both schools, and The University of Montana was the better choice for academic reasons.
They are both third tier State schools. If you are holding on to the glory of MSU academics as a reason for looking down upon The University of Montana than you are living in a fantasy world. Both schools provide equal opportunity for students desiring to achieve their goals in the real world.
And as for the original poster whom insists on gloating about a stadium he had absolutely nothing to do with here are a few answers to your question.
1) MSU is a better fit for their style of play
2) Had/has a family whom played/plays for the Cats
3) Chance to play right away, or perhaps UM is already set in his position (more playing opportunities)
4) Grew up a Cat fan (it's not that hard to believe, it happens)
5) Likes the coaching perosnal at MSU better
6) Prefers going to school in Bozeman
7) Wants to get a degree in a field MSU has a stronger background. I have a friend whom chose to play football at Montana Tech over the I-AA schools because he liked their engineer program. Plus UM and MSU wanted him to walk and see what happens.
9) Family lives closer to Bozeman/Easier for them to watch him play at MSU-Stay closer to family
10) Attended games at both Universities and preferred MSU (this also happens).
So in conclusion, You need more than the ominous "we have higher standards" to convince me MSU is a better school (don't get me wrong I think MSU provides every opportunity in the world for students, I just believe UM does this equally). There are MANY reasons why a Montana highschool football player would choose MSU over UM. I have listed 10 good ones. Peace
I don't see how this supports claims of MSU academic superiority, in fact I'm not so sure this was your intent.Cat Grad wrote:Again, an attempt to distort reality. Forgot about the psychos. Go to the regents and get a psychiatric department to go with your pharmacy school...Topher wrote:Ok, I have to admit, I get a little muddled when it comes to people arguing the phantom superiority of MSU academia. I got my degree in Psychology, a field MSU offers significantly fewer courses in. My class also boasted the son of a Professor teaching at MSU. When I asked him why he chose to attend the U he claimed, "because it has a better Psychology program", and when asked why, "more opportunities". It is a fact, check your class listings!Bay Area Cat wrote:MSU has a great film program, actually. MSU has a very good (arguably much better than UM) business program as well.STREETCAT wrote:WELL IF I WANTED TO BE AN ART MAJOR OR LETS SEE, A FILM MAJOR, OR SETTLE FOR A BUSINESS DEGREE THEN UMGRIZNBZMN wrote:Then can you tell me what MSU has over UM in a recruiting battle? Honestly- you're an 18 year old and visiting both venues...You hit the nail on the head???
amazing stadium, great facilities, 23K loud "smart" (ask Coach Kill of S. Illinois, said they were the most knowledgeable fans in the country, actually U.S. is what he said, verbatim) great tailgates, not to mention streak of playoff appearances as well as national championship appearances
vs.
decent stadium (it's getting better), don't know about the facilities, 11-13K fans (depending on the weather), mediocre records, not even sure what they are but seem to lose around 4 games a year, and one playoff in the last how many years?
Tell me where you'd go? Be honest!
BUT IF I WANT TO BE AN ENGINEER, ARCHITECT, PRE-MED, OR ANY SCIENCE MAJOR, I WOULD GO TO BOZEMAN
HAVENT YOU SEEN THE COMERCIALS? ALLMOST ALL ATHLETES GO PRO IN SOMETHING ELSE.
I could take exception to your "settle for a business degree" statement ... but I'm not that insecure. I guess those of us business majors who donate to MSU will just have to find someplace that appreciates our money, eh?
We have produced more Rhodes scholars than you have (17th in the Nation, 5th in public schools), and we have a little thing called the Davidson's Honors College for students who want a higher challenge. I looked EQUALLY at both schools, and The University of Montana was the better choice for academic reasons.
They are both third tier State schools. If you are holding on to the glory of MSU academics as a reason for looking down upon The University of Montana than you are living in a fantasy world. Both schools provide equal opportunity for students desiring to achieve their goals in the real world.
And as for the original poster whom insists on gloating about a stadium he had absolutely nothing to do with here are a few answers to your question.
1) MSU is a better fit for their style of play
2) Had/has a family whom played/plays for the Cats
3) Chance to play right away, or perhaps UM is already set in his position (more playing opportunities)
4) Grew up a Cat fan (it's not that hard to believe, it happens)
5) Likes the coaching perosnal at MSU better
6) Prefers going to school in Bozeman
7) Wants to get a degree in a field MSU has a stronger background. I have a friend whom chose to play football at Montana Tech over the I-AA schools because he liked their engineer program. Plus UM and MSU wanted him to walk and see what happens.
9) Family lives closer to Bozeman/Easier for them to watch him play at MSU-Stay closer to family
10) Attended games at both Universities and preferred MSU (this also happens).
So in conclusion, You need more than the ominous "we have higher standards" to convince me MSU is a better school (don't get me wrong I think MSU provides every opportunity in the world for students, I just believe UM does this equally). There are MANY reasons why a Montana highschool football player would choose MSU over UM. I have listed 10 good ones. Peace
Seriously Air_Griz why are you not content with the fact the Griz are playing well? I just don't understand people enjoying their program doing well only if it makes fans of other programs miserable.Bay Area Cat wrote:Perhaps in protest you should boycott this site?Air_Griz wrote:WOW. IS THIS THREAD LOADED WITH CAT SMACK OR WHAT??
BAC AND THE MODERATORS HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY.
LIKE I SAID:
SMACK IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER - I MEAN MODERATOR.
Hey. I am very content with the Griz program right now. We will be very fortunate to beat a great UMass team this weekend, but the Griz have already had a good season.Topher wrote:Seriously Air_Griz why are you not content with the fact the Griz are playing well? I just don't understand people enjoying their program doing well only if it makes fans of other programs miserable.Bay Area Cat wrote:Perhaps in protest you should boycott this site?Air_Griz wrote:WOW. IS THIS THREAD LOADED WITH CAT SMACK OR WHAT??
BAC AND THE MODERATORS HAVE LOST ALL CREDIBILITY.
LIKE I SAID:
SMACK IS IN THE EYES OF THE BEHOLDER - I MEAN MODERATOR.
CatFamily,CatFamily wrote:Topher... I like your response. I believe the original post was actually a stab at smack but it also could draw both sides into good discussion. I am in agreement with you... both schools are solid in their core areas.... where both have the same degrees offered... for example... psych that you took and accounting that I took at MSU... UM may have a little more to offer in psych but MSU has a little more to offer in accounting. But both schools grads have potential for job opportunities that are mostly equal and depend on the student performance, interviews, etc.. I am a solid Bobcat fan... as you know and should also be after the influence you were given as you went through high school... but I am also a supporter of both universities academics. MSU is solid in sciences, engineering, agriculture and business... UM in forestry, etc...
You actually didn't say anything to defend the Griz program(s). You instead just bitched about the moderators (as per usual). If you want to participate in a thread, then do so. If you don't, then don't.Air_Griz wrote:On this Board, however, I never put the Cats down. Review my posts. I only call BS when people put the Griz and the Griz program down. In those cases, I call BS and post positive things about the Griz. So, perhaps I should just let it go and forget about posting here. Great advice.
GRIZNBZMN wrote:Then can you tell me what MSU has over UM in a recruiting battle? Honestly- you're an 18 year old and visiting both venues...You hit the nail on the head???
amazing stadium, great facilities, 23K loud "smart" (ask Coach Kill of S. Illinois, said they were the most knowledgeable fans in the country, actually U.S. is what he said, verbatim) great tailgates, not to mention streak of playoff appearances as well as national championship appearances
vs.
decent stadium (it's getting better), don't know about the facilities, 11-13K fans (depending on the weather), mediocre records, not even sure what they are but seem to lose around 4 games a year, and one playoff in the last how many years?
Tell me where you'd go? Be honest!
You have to decide what your ultimate goal is with the scholarship bucks. Spending four years playing ball? The ultimate goal is to get a great education to have a productive life. You make it sound like life ends at age 22, well it is just beginning. Those four or five years can be fantastic at a "decent stadium" with (?) facilities and 13+ fans (not depending on weather) and records that are only getting better. Not to mention coaches and mentors that care about your future as an MSU graduate.GRIZNBZMN wrote:Then can you tell me what MSU has over UM in a recruiting battle? Honestly- you're an 18 year old and visiting both venues...You hit the nail on the head???
amazing stadium, great facilities, 23K loud "smart" (ask Coach Kill of S. Illinois, said they were the most knowledgeable fans in the country, actually U.S. is what he said, verbatim) great tailgates, not to mention streak of playoff appearances as well as national championship appearances
vs.
decent stadium (it's getting better), don't know about the facilities, 11-13K fans (depending on the weather), mediocre records, not even sure what they are but seem to lose around 4 games a year, and one playoff in the last how many years?
Tell me where you'd go? Be honest!
MTBobcatFan wrote:GRIZNBZMN wrote:Then can you tell me what MSU has over UM in a recruiting battle? Honestly- you're an 18 year old and visiting both venues...You hit the nail on the head???
amazing stadium, great facilities, 23K loud "smart" (ask Coach Kill of S. Illinois, said they were the most knowledgeable fans in the country, actually U.S. is what he said, verbatim) great tailgates, not to mention streak of playoff appearances as well as national championship appearances
vs.
decent stadium (it's getting better), don't know about the facilities, 11-13K fans (depending on the weather), mediocre records, not even sure what they are but seem to lose around 4 games a year, and one playoff in the last how many years?
Tell me where you'd go? Be honest!
I like how Griz fans like to point out when their fans are called "smart". Seriously, how hard is it to figure out to yell when the opponent has the ball? It's something you can train a drunk lab monkey to do.
You are referring to Selle from Billings West, right? I believe he was offered from both schools and it looked good for MSU, but Desin committed earlier and Selle opted for UM (they both are QBs and had personality conflicts from what I hear).Bleedinbluengold wrote:In terms of athletic facilities, I've been in both. MSU has the clear advantage when comparing the locker rooms, training rooms, etc. UM gets the nod when comparing the stadiums, but MSU has the clear advantage in the sky suites.
Technically, Hoffenbacher was not offered a full scholarship by both schools, but it was very clear that he could go to either school and both schools had similar, if not equal offers on the table. He chose MSU.
I can't remember the exact circumstances, but Mark Desin also could have gone to both schools. He chose MSU, and that made the dominos fall on a couple other kids who chose UM.
So, I think a reasonable person would say that the gap between the two football programs has narrowed, and the decision to attend um versus MSU may not be as obvious as it has been. I think a reasonable person would also say that the gap between the programs will continue to narrow down the road, and that future choices will be based not only the program, but also on the educational opportunities to a greater extent.
As for which university has "better" academics, I think such comparisons are like comparing apples to oranges. Both schools excel in many fields, and I think you can get a quality education at either place.
Are you implying the crowd in Denny's Sandbox are usually drunk lab monkies?MTBobcatFan wrote:GRIZNBZMN wrote:Then can you tell me what MSU has over UM in a recruiting battle? Honestly- you're an 18 year old and visiting both venues...You hit the nail on the head???
amazing stadium, great facilities, 23K loud "smart" (ask Coach Kill of S. Illinois, said they were the most knowledgeable fans in the country, actually U.S. is what he said, verbatim) great tailgates, not to mention streak of playoff appearances as well as national championship appearances
vs.
decent stadium (it's getting better), don't know about the facilities, 11-13K fans (depending on the weather), mediocre records, not even sure what they are but seem to lose around 4 games a year, and one playoff in the last how many years?
Tell me where you'd go? Be honest!
I like how Griz fans like to point out when their fans are called "smart". Seriously, how hard is it to figure out to yell when the opponent has the ball? It's something you can train a drunk lab monkey to do.