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whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:43 am

Cat Grad wrote:Salient points taken; however, I know of one LARGE Class C shooting guard who's been offered by Utah and a sophmore kid from the same team who's already been offered by Wake Forest. I will be patient to a point...

4everacatfan · Post by **4everacatfan** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 9:00 am

Cat Grad wrote:
longhorn_22 wrote:
Cat Grad wrote:Salient points taken; however, I know of one LARGE Class C shooting guard who's been offered by Utah and a sophmore kid from the same team who's already been offered by Wake Forest. I will be patient to a point...
Do they have names? Why haven't they been mentioned anywhere else if schools like these have offered?
They have, but one of the Hi-line posters stated the same thing I heard as a kid about Wayne Estes when I lived in Bozeman before moving to Belgrade: "Lance Brockie can't even run the floor, how can he play D1 basketball?" and "A.J. Long Soldier will never get out of high school!"

We'll see.

How and where did these kids play this summer? You might want to check your information because if they are being offered by big schools like Wake Forest or Utah then they would be on National Scouting reports and neither one is. I just checked. Side note Great Falls High was mentioned in Sports Illustrated as being the #1 ranked team in the state and on Sports Illustrated.com Bobby Howard and Derrick Selvig were both mentioned as top players in the state. Long Soldier is talented but not in the same class as Selvig and Howard he did nothing against them at last years Malta tournament and Brockie I have never heard of and I do follow the AAU circut very closely. The AAU circut is where these kids get seen, it is sad but reality is high school season is just a part of the recruiting process, colleges want to see how kids compete against the elite competition on the national level. It is really sad that Montanans like Howard and Selvig have to leave Montana and play with teams from Seattle and Portland to get exposure.

MSU999 · Post by **MSU999** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:39 pm

Cat Grad wrote:Man, if the game highlight is rebounds...By the way, where are all the Class B and C kids on our roster? Just Durr this year? He came from a state championship team, right?!

Durr is rotting on the bench - a result of a coaching staff willing to go with younger players and lose. 5 minutes last night? A senior? Come on.....what would be his incentive to play? He was the best Class C jock to come out in years and he hasn't seen much action over the past three years......all of you high school kids that think you are good enough for a Div I scholarship, think again....out of state kids will continue to dominate the lineups. Howard will be licky to survice in Div I and I'll bet transfers to Froniter as Henkel and Morales did....and Durr should have. Selvig is the real deal and will be a great Div I player....size matters....Bobby is just another 6-5 skinning kid who was a very good player from Montana.

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:42 pm

MSU999 wrote:
Cat Grad wrote:Man, if the game highlight is rebounds...By the way, where are all the Class B and C kids on our roster? Just Durr this year? He came from a state championship team, right?!
Durr is rotting on the bench - a result of a coaching staff willing to go with younger players and lose. 5 minutes last night? A senior? Come on.....what would be his incentive to play? He was the best Class C jock to come out in years and he hasn't seen much action over the past three years......all of you high school kids that think you are good enough for a Div I scholarship, think again....out of state kids will continue to dominate the lineups. Howard will be licky to survice in Div I and I'll bet transfers to Froniter as Henkel and Morales did....and Durr should have. Selvig is the real deal and will be a great Div I player....size matters....Bobby is just another 6-5 skinning kid who was a very good player from Montana.

Durr has started every game. This was the first game he has played less than 12 minues.

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:48 pm

MSU999 wrote:
Cat Grad wrote:Man, if the game highlight is rebounds...By the way, where are all the Class B and C kids on our roster? Just Durr this year? He came from a state championship team, right?!
Durr is rotting on the bench - a result of a coaching staff willing to go with younger players and lose. 5 minutes last night? A senior? Come on.....what would be his incentive to play? He was the best Class C jock to come out in years and he hasn't seen much action over the past three years......all of you high school kids that think you are good enough for a Div I scholarship, think again....out of state kids will continue to dominate the lineups. Howard will be licky to survice in Div I and I'll bet transfers to Froniter as Henkel and Morales did....and Durr should have. Selvig is the real deal and will be a great Div I player....size matters....Bobby is just another 6-5 skinning kid who was a very good player from Montana.

I've noticed this trend again

For whatever reason, we don't do a very good job beating the bushes for all the kids playing out of state with Montana State connections. Man, I'm going to stay out of this discussion

MSU999 · Post by **MSU999** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 12:53 pm

longhorn_22 wrote:
MSU999 wrote:
Cat Grad wrote: Durr has started every game. This was the first game he has played less than 12 minues.

12 minutes for a senior? Dissly and Durham play 25+ every game and are as inconsistent as hell......I am telling you, he will see less andless time as the season goes on and my point is that good Montana kids have a tough time competing at the Div. I level.....unless you are from Bozeman.

Post by **rtb** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:02 pm

Here is my thoughts on the whole thing...we have a new coach with guys he didn't recruit and he wants to do one thing...build for the future and win games. He is going to put the 5 best players on the floor for his system. They might not be the best on the team, but he sees them as developing into the best. Why are Dissly and Durham playing? I would say Dissly is one of the best athletes out of Montana in a long time. This year he has been inconsistent at best, but when he gets rolling he can't be stopped. He is always a scoring threat so he will get his minutes. Durham I think has learned the offense better than the other guards and that is why he gets his time. Casey has shown flashes of greatness, but overall I don't know if he has the speed to keep up with most D1 guards. He isn't great, but he is our best option at this point. I don't think Durr will ever be a star no matter who the coach is. He is an excellent defender, but hasn't shown anything on offense in the games I have seen. He will come in to shutdown guys on defense when we need him to, but I don't think we can lean on him to score a lot of points.

I understand it is HARD to be a Bobcat Basketball fan right now as there is a lot of confussion and some bad games, BUT if you watch what Huse is doing and what type of talent he brought in how can you not be excited about the future? I feel bad for Dissly and Durr that their senior year had to come at a time of so much change, but MSU Hoops has a bright future ahead!

4everacatfan · Post by **4everacatfan** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 1:16 pm

MSU999 wrote:
Cat Grad wrote:Man, if the game highlight is rebounds...By the way, where are all the Class B and C kids on our roster? Just Durr this year? He came from a state championship team, right?!
Durr is rotting on the bench - a result of a coaching staff willing to go with younger players and lose. 5 minutes last night? A senior? Come on.....what would be his incentive to play? He was the best Class C jock to come out in years and he hasn't seen much action over the past three years......all of you high school kids that think you are good enough for a Div I scholarship, think again....out of state kids will continue to dominate the lineups. Howard will be licky to survice in Div I and I'll bet transfers to Froniter as Henkel and Morales did....and Durr should have. Selvig is the real deal and will be a great Div I player....size matters....Bobby is just another 6-5 skinning kid who was a very good player from Montana.

Howard is way different then Durr, he has grown to 6'7" and has taken his game out of state to play against top AAU competition. I watched him play in several tournaments last spring and after watching the Bobcats play last week I think he might be an exception to the token Montana kid he can play at the D-1 level. Before you make predictions maybe you should go watch him play.

On Durr you are correct he was a great class C player who is a tweener not quick enough for the 3 and not big enough for the 4 he would have had a great career at the Frontier level.

From everything I have heard Huse is looking at the future and Howard from what I am hearing is a big part of that future.

MSU999 · Post by **MSU999** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 2:26 pm

[/quote]Howard is way different then Durr, he has grown to 6'7" and has taken his game out of state to play against top AAU competition. I watched him play in several tournaments last spring and after watching the Bobcats play last week I think he might be an exception to the token Montana kid he can play at the D-1 level. Before you make predictions maybe you should go watch him play.

On Durr you are correct he was a great class C player who is a tweener not quick enough for the 3 and not big enough for the 4 he would have had a great career at the Frontier level.

From everything I have heard Huse is looking at the future and Howard from what I am hearing is a big part of that future.[/quote]

Howard might be an exception....time will tell.....my point is that is no loyalty to Montana kids at the Div. I level.......the best will play despite their academics or behavior.....that has been evident the past years prior to the Huse era. Huse is well respected for getting rid of those type of players....and I hope he can hang in there to develop the program.....he was the best choice for the job.....BUT, do not expect him to sign a bunch of Montana kids.....the ones he got this year are mainly from California....look for that trend to continue. Howard will be a part, but not a BIG part of the future.

4everacatfan · Post by **4everacatfan** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:33 pm

MSU999 wrote:

Howard is way different then Durr, he has grown to 6'7" and has taken his game out of state to play against top AAU competition. I watched him play in several tournaments last spring and after watching the Bobcats play last week I think he might be an exception to the token Montana kid he can play at the D-1 level. Before you make predictions maybe you should go watch him play.

On Durr you are correct he was a great class C player who is a tweener not quick enough for the 3 and not big enough for the 4 he would have had a great career at the Frontier level.

From everything I have heard Huse is looking at the future and Howard from what I am hearing is a big part of that future.[/quote]

Howard might be an exception....time will tell.....my point is that is no loyalty to Montana kids at the Div. I level.......the best will play despite their academics or behavior.....that has been evident the past years prior to the Huse era. Huse is well respected for getting rid of those type of players....and I hope he can hang in there to develop the program.....he was the best choice for the job.....BUT, do not expect him to sign a bunch of Montana kids.....the ones he got this year are mainly from California....look for that trend to continue. Howard will be a part, but not a BIG part of the future.[/quote]

As you said time will tell but I think you are right we need to get the best players regardless of where they are from. JMO but Howard is in that category of kids that can compete at the D-1 level.

AZCAT21 · Post by **AZCAT21** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:00 pm

back to the earlier subject about the Cat team this year, everyone needs to remember that just like when kramer came in the cats struggled to a winless first year. Kramer cleaned house and look at where the program is. I'm thinking that huse will do the same thing to the basketball team, especially bring some excitement to the program, which is what it desparately needs. This also hopefully will involve some montana kids contributing to that success.

The conversation about Durr is a little weird to me. Is he completly upset about his playing time? Does he look like a cancer on the team? I have known him for a while and he is a very good person and doesn't seem to be the type that would want anything but the team to do well. I hope for his sake that he continues to contribute the best he can and to look forward to the education that he has had paid for him. I'm sure he will have a brigth future after basketball, even if basketball doesn't turn out to be everything he had hoped for....

Post by **rtb** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:10 pm

AZCAT21 wrote:back to the earlier subject about the Cat team this year, everyone needs to remember that just like when kramer came in the cats struggled to a winless first year. Kramer cleaned house and look at where the program is. I'm thinking that huse will do the same thing to the basketball team, especially bring some excitement to the program, which is what it desparately needs. This also hopefully will involve some montana kids contributing to that success.

The conversation about Durr is a little weird to me. Is he completly upset about his playing time? Does he look like a cancer on the team? I have known him for a while and he is a very good person and doesn't seem to be the type that would want anything but the team to do well. I hope for his sake that he continues to contribute the best he can and to look forward to the education that he has had paid for him. I'm sure he will have a brigth future after basketball, even if basketball doesn't turn out to be everything he had hoped for....

Things will work out great for this team and everyone on it. To come out and be critical of the guys that are playing a lot shocks me at this point and to complain about minutes is strange also. I would say cheer on the Cats, hope the TEAM continues to improve and grow, and try not to unsettle the ship so early in Huse's career. We need everyone to be as positive as possible.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 4:20 pm

I think there is always room for some honest questioning of any coach's decisions, but I don't see a very compelling case behind slamming Durham and Dissly in an effort to argue for more minutes for Durr. As with all teams, I think that minutes will ebb and flow based on who is playing well and what combinations work the best together. And, obviously, that perfect formula hasn't been found quite yet this season.

And I am totally confused by the assertions that MT kids can't play D-I basketball. The long list of current and recent successful MT kids seems to refute that assertion in its tracks. No MT team will likely ever be hugely successful using exclusively MT players simply due to the low population of the state, but they can, are, and will be the nucleus for many teams.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:36 pm

As far as Carson goes, if you don't produce, you don't play. God knows I love the kid, and he is a model student and scholar to boot. However, when you miss two easy bunnies on a back-cut on back to back offensive series, you lose minutes (OSU game). He also has yet to hit a 3 this year (0-6).

To me he just seems too tentative on the court, as if he is playing like he's afraid he'll make a mistake. Hopefully as the season progresses, he will develop into his role and get involved in the offense more, maybe playing more agressive. Here's hoping. GO CARSON! CO CATS!

alasax · Post by **alasax** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:48 pm

Obviously the team is being hawked to eliminate turnovers....lord know they should.
That will cause them to be tentative.

Albeit, I totally trust the coaching staff on this one. Stay the course. Coach what is expected. Results will come.

In the past, if there was a rebound to be had, we had 5 guys running to the other end of the court. If the offense didn't produce, we went on a pass once and shoot rampage.

I am excited at the glimpses we see now maintain a balanced offense with everybody contributing (not just the 3 bombers)

Big men didn't fit in to our run and gun style before... wait until we build this team! Can you remember D. Hashley! They WILL come where they can count on playing on both ends of the court.

Coach on Mr. Huse....coach on!

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:23 pm

alasax wrote:Obviously the team is being hawked to eliminate turnovers....lord know they should.
That will cause them to be tentative.

Albeit, I totally trust the coaching staff on this one. Stay the course. Coach what is expected. Results will come.

In the past, if there was a rebound to be had, we had 5 guys running to the other end of the court. If the offense didn't produce, we went on a pass once and shoot rampage.

I am excited at the glimpses we see now maintain a balanced offense with everybody contributing (not just the 3 bombers)

Big men didn't fit in to our run and gun style before... wait until we build this team! Can you remember D. Hashley! They WILL come where they can count on playing on both ends of the court.

Coach on Mr. Huse....coach on!

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:26 pm

Thanks to the last half dozen or so posters for adding some sanity to this thread.

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:31 pm

whitetrashgriz wrote:
Cat Grad wrote:Salient points taken; however, I know of one LARGE Class C shooting guard who's been offered by Utah and a sophmore kid from the same team who's already been offered by Wake Forest. I will be patient to a point...

Well hell, if this falls through, maybe Coach Huse can persuade Bill Walker and OJ Mayo to stop by for a visit in Bozeman on their way to play for UM. Maybe he can change their minds!

catmom · Post by **catmom** » Fri Dec 01, 2006 1:37 am

All I can say is the boys that I am familar with are extremely excited to be playing for MSU and want to do their best on and off the floor.

These are a great group of new kids and it will take time for them to begin to "click" together. As for the kids that are still here from before, it will take time to get into the grove of a new coach and so many new kids. I like Carson Durr. He is great at taking a charge and he CAN hit the three. They will all pull it together and it will be really nice to see that happen. I am sure that things will all work out fine.

cats22 · Post by **cats22** » Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:05 pm

Cat Grad... Bobby put up 45 on your class c boys at the HIT in Malta. Also if he or Selvig were playing class c I can imagine them being able to put up 40. From what I heard Howard was actually a class B boy growing up. I think you are mistaken on your Hays Lodgepole boys. Long Soldier is a special talent though.