Hating from most of AGS....

[FUwolfpacker]

Celtic,

That wouldn't happen to us thanks to all us loyal fans who show up 13000 strong every week.

If Furman wants a home game, build a bigger stadium & pack the house!

You guys averaged 13,300. We averaged 12,400. Not that big of a difference. The truth is as you said, we probably didn't put up enough money. We never bid much more than the minimum from what I've heard b/c we just can't cover the cost the weekend after thanksgiving.

Plus keep in mind with attendence, in Montana...there aren't as many teams to draw fans away from your games. Even in Greenville, Furman isn't the number one team with Clemson 30 mins. down the road and USC only 2 hours away. I think both team's avg. attendence is pretty good if you ask me. Only 34 of the 130+ FCS average over 10,000.

I personally don't care about where we play. I know things can get screwy after the top 4 seeds, so I just roll with the punches. Things will even themselves out eventually. As disappointed as I am about not having this game at home, I knew we were going to be on the road the majority playoffs anyway...what's one more game? So, you'll see no negativity from me directed towards you guys. You guys are just as deserving at any other 7-4 team out there.

AGS is just a funny creature. With a message board that is designed to serve the entire FCS community, you're bound to get a lot of differing opinions. When you throw in the fact these guys can say whatever they want b/c all anyone knows about them is their semi-creative handle, then you get even stronger opinions. A lot of these guys talk just to hear themselves talk. There are a lot good posters on AGS from every school, you just have to shurg off the crazies.

[spider]

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[vike_king]

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[FU97]

Guess they must not have "ponied up" enough, eh?

As a 2,500 student private school, we don't have the financial resources that a school like MSU has. Will be interesting to see if you can break even.

[El_Gato]

WHO CARES???!!!!

Welcome to the Great White North, Paladins!

[gofurman]

Guess they must not have "ponied up" enough, eh?

As a 2,500 student private school, we don't have the financial resources that a school like MSU has. Will be interesting to see if you can break even.

I just wish it was decided by the players and not $ (wasn't that the point of the playoffs in the first place?). It used to be this way when all 16 teams were 'seeded' - 1vs16 through 8vs9 with the higher team at home. I understand money talks but I just wish they would let the players record do the talking and then not have someone outbid to relegate the regular season less meaningful as you can overcome a loss or two by puttting up more money - sounds like BCS crap to me. Schools like FU are at a disadvantage as our student body is only 2500 so we can have 3 times our student body show up and still only hit 7500 people in attendance while if your whole student body shows up you already exceed 7500.

[STREETCAT]

so let me get this right your telling me that money should not mean anything to the NCAA.

ARE YOU SERIOUS

[hokeyfine]

In the old days the bottom line was the bid, that's why the griz(thanks to the press box owner in the early days) got the home games. Today it's not that way. the bid is a minor part, sos, sagarin, etc. go to determining who hosts. it's almost becoming as complicated as the stupid bcs.

[FUwolfpacker]

so let me get this right your telling me that money should not mean anything to the NCAA.

ARE YOU SERIOUS

I don't think he's saying it shouldn't mean anything, just that he wishes that it didn't mean as much.

I've said it a thousand times over the last few days, but the talk of who got in and who's playing where needs to stop. It's time to talk about the actual football game. X's and O's, schemes, that sort of thing .[/b]

[El_Gato]

amen brother!

[STREETCAT]

so let me get this right your telling me that money should not mean anything to the NCAA.

ARE YOU SERIOUS

I don't think he's saying it shouldn't mean anything, just that he wishes that it didn't mean as much.

I've said it a thousand times over the last few days, but the talk of who got in and who's playing where needs to stop. It's time to talk about the actual football game. X's and O's, schemes, that sort of thing .[/b]

EXACTLY the brackets are decided welcome to bozeman bring your snow coat cause its calling for 31 for the high for saturday with snow!!

[Paladinfan]

WHO CARES???!!!!

Welcome to the Great White North, Paladins!

You asked for it....you've got it.

[catatac]

There is a lot of hating going on at AGS, but a good deal of it has at least a little merit. As Celtic states, I'd be ticked off if I were Furman right now and was looking at this trip. I also think that No. Iowa has a legitimate beef (VERY similar season to MSU, 7-4 with a loss to a very respectable DII team. They're complaining just like we would if they got in and we were staying home). However, probably the most telling thread on AGS is a poll asking basically who got snubbed by being left out of the playoffs. Over 50% of the responses have been "No one. If you go 7-4, you take your chances." So, I think it's safe to say that most of the people don't have a huge problem with MSU getting in over someone else, it's just that those who do have a problem with it are opening their mouths.

I just think the committee had to look at our performances as of late... especially the Cat\Griz game, and realize that we were one play away from winning that game and beating the #2 team in the country at their house. Does anyone no agree that we played like a top 5 team in the country on Saturday?

[Cat in NC]

There is a lot of hating going on at AGS, but a good deal of it has at least a little merit. As Celtic states, I'd be ticked off if I were Furman right now and was looking at this trip. I also think that No. Iowa has a legitimate beef (VERY similar season to MSU, 7-4 with a loss to a very respectable DII team. They're complaining just like we would if they got in and we were staying home). However, probably the most telling thread on AGS is a poll asking basically who got snubbed by being left out of the playoffs. Over 50% of the responses have been "No one. If you go 7-4, you take your chances." So, I think it's safe to say that most of the people don't have a huge problem with MSU getting in over someone else, it's just that those who do have a problem with it are opening their mouths.

I just think the committee had to look at our performances as of late... especially the Cat\Griz game, and realize that we were one play away from winning that game and beating the #2 team in the country at their house. Does anyone no agree that we played like a top 5 team in the country on Saturday?

Recent performance probably had something to do with it, but I don't know how much. Just taking 11/18 as an example, we lost to the #2 team in the country by 6. UNI beat a top 10 team (Illinois State) by 11. Yes, ours was on the road and theirs was at home, but you get the idea. Quite simply, I think the Cats got the long end of the stick this year (for a change). If we had not gotten a bid (and PSU or UNI did), I guarantee that at least one poster here would cry foul. No matter, the Cats are still playing, the others aren't. Pretty simple.

As for the Cats playing like a top 5 team, maybe. It was just one game (a HUGE game, but still one game), so it's a little early to be trumpeting that the Cats are better than one of the following: App, UM, Youngstown, UMass, NDSU - even though NDSU is sitting home wondering about what could have been. When they're "on", there's no doubt the Cats are one of the elite in the country. They just have to be "on" for 4 weeks in a row now. Then, we can all do a little dance in Chatty after the boys win it all.

[Paladinfan]

Don't pat your backs too hard.

[WalkOn79]

When we traveled to both Northern Iowa and McNeese State in our last playoff outings, we looked absolutely spent and pathetic.

One of the reasons I agree with Kramer. Cat / Griz should be played on Halloween weekend.

[tampa_griz]

When we traveled to both Northern Iowa and McNeese State in our last playoff outings, we looked absolutely spent and pathetic.

One of the reasons I agree with Kramer. Cat / Griz should be played on Halloween weekend.

Nah. Keep it on rivalry day. Too much fun. It absolutely killed me not to be at the one this year. Sounds like it was the best one yet. Get Furman this weekend.

[CelticCat]

Don't pat your backs too hard.

Someone has to, no one else is.

[catatac]

Don't pat your backs too hard.

Don't worry about that... I said we played like a top 5 team on Saturday. If you knew the history of our program, you would realize that we have a very bi-polar team. We can beat CO on the road one day, and get thrashed by 45 at home by US Davis on another day. I have absolutely no idea how we'll play against Furman on Saturday, but IF our D plays like the did against the Griz... it will be tough to score many points on us...

[Citizen Griz]

In the old days the bottom line was the bid, that's why the griz(thanks to the press box owner in the early days) got the home games. Today it's not that way. the bid is a minor part, sos, sagarin, etc. go to determining who hosts. it's almost becoming as complicated as the stupid bcs.

The bottom line was the bid until 1994 when Montana outbid highly seeded McNeese state. Up until that point hosting was all about the gate. But it wasn't just Montana's big bid, McNeese put up the absolute minimum, as if they expected the right to host for being a top 4 team, No. 2 in some polls.
The NCAA did a huge about face the following season, guaranteeing home games to the top 8 teams and seeding the top 4. That lasted only a few years because some of those top 8 teams couldn't even draw 2,000 fans to a playoff game.
The NCAA was losing money, so back came the bids. At the same time, many of the playoff teams starting complaining about having to fly to playoff games, esp. the No. 15 and 16 teams, which were sometimes flying across country for assured ass kickings. UP until that point the strongest teams played the weakest teams, 1 played 16, 8 played 9, and so on.
To save the East Coast teams a buck, the committee started looking for regional matchups so teams could be bussed if at all possible and flown only when necessary. It was decided in second round games, conference foes should play when possible also as a cost-saving measure. Why UM and MSU are not in the same bracket this year is something I don't understand. But Furman and App. St. are.
The pairings are done by looking at a lot of factors, but once the non-seeded teams are paired, the higest bidder gets the game.
The best thing for MSU, aside from winning Saturday, is for Youngstown State and App. State to lose early. If they do lose, the Cat's can host as long as they don't run out of cash and their team keeps winning.