MSU Backs out of the Game with NDSU to play a DII

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 8:49 am

This kind of thing happens all the time...ALL THE TIME. The honorable thing to do is 'buy out' the team that is losing the home game, and MSU appears to have done that. A $100K buyout is VERY honorable, because buyouts are usually around $50,000. NDSU should be happy about that, it made $100K and didn't even have to play a game. I'm sure the NDSU AD understands how this works, if not then he must be extremely inexperienced. You make it sound as if he's all bent out of shape. Sounds like he did everything he could to make the game happen and it didn't work out, so he's disappointed, but I'm sure he understands.

As an aside Kramer stated emphatically last year that we will no longer be playing all DI teams, because the I-AA selection cmte. doesn't seem to weigh wins against DII. I don't agree with him, because I think the committee does take that into account a little bit. Yeah, yeah I know it didn't pay off this year. Chadron 35, MSU 24.

JahGriz · Post by **JahGriz** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:04 am

Bison fans - take a look at the link YOU posted from the bison boards. That is all those "knowledgable" fans are talking about.

That is where I got the afraid posts, etc. Get on with your life in the gateway. I'm disapointed the BSC didn't get NDSU and SDSU, but the gig is up, yet the obsession continues by SOME bison fans, as was evident in the link.

I was one of the supporters of NDSU, and was one of the few Griz fans saying the 2003 game was not going to be easy in the least. But, since then, it seems all I hear is how UM is affraid to play the Bison...pa'leeeze. And now the cats are afraid.

I just don't get it. So maybe it wasn't one of the guys who posted in this thread, but bisonville is plastered with it.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:27 am

BisonBacker wrote:Here's the link to NDSU's message board on this topic, for any who care to see what your AD is doing for your schools reputation.
http://www400.pair.com/bisonvil/cgi-bin ... 1163171028

im just courious but have you played the fighting sioux for the last two years?

Cat Grad · Post by **Cat Grad** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:32 am

I'm upset our kids won't have a chance to play NDSU early next year, however, consider the hoops Dan Davies had to jump through this year for us: UCDavis backed out of the original date in order to play TCU in August (I think I recall about that time frame) then our coaches were forced to drop the preliminary work for Davis, scrap Humboldt and come up with something for Chadron--guess we all know how that turned out

Good luck in the Gateway, that--off the top of my head--has four teams ranked right now, second only to the six from the A-10. It's going to be one formidable conference with the addition of your school. Other than our kids not getting an opportunity to establish some sort of rivalry with yours and my not being able to go visit relatives, what bothers me more than anything is that we're not going to see the twelve games for 1-AA simply because we have the "playoffs" and 16 of the nearly 120 schools will have their schedules messed with

We're leaving a lot of money on the table because we won't play that 12th game and ADs are jumping through hoops continually because of few idiotic commissioners.

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:55 am

BisonBacker wrote: Please show me in any of my post where I said you were scared to come to Fargo? One of your other posters said that not me. So you need to get your facts straight not me. As far as the UNC excuse it doesn't fly. The date your scheduling A&M was not the date you were scheduled to come to Fargo. That date you were scheduled to come to Fargo is being replaced with a DII. You can make all the excuses you want but its still wrong.

Let's try this one more time...the date is irrelevant.

Before UNC joined the confererence, MSU had 4 non-conference openings. They could have played @NDSU, @Texas A&M, and two home games. This would have resulted in a schedule with 6 home games, which is what we want to have.

After UNC joined, that added an extra road game in '07, and now MSU can only play one non-conference road game while keeping the 6 game home schedule. NDSU has been dropped in order to be able to play the money game against A & M. The D-II replacement has nothing to do with it.

Like others have said, the exact same thing happened to MSU this year when UC-Davis backed out of the contract to play TCU. MSU was able to reschedule the game for the following week, but that may not have been possible. Schedule a new opponent and move on...we'll just be over here with our tarnished reputation from a group of message board fans.

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:10 am

BisonBacker wrote:Well the news is now MSU has signed the deal with Texas A&M and originally was understood if that happened you wouldn't be playing us. Now the word is that date was not the date you were scheduled to come to Fargo and you guys instead have scheduled a DII team to come to your house and play rather then honoring your contract with NDSU for the game here in Fargo next year. If all this comes to pass I can honestly say I have lost all respect for both Montana schools. I know the fans on both sides wanted to see this game. The Texas deal is understandable had that been the reason but this news is just ******. If your schools AD is that ****** that he won't honor a contract then I hope your AD enjoys scheduling DII's because the word will get around that you don't honor your contracts. I used to laugh about the Griz whining about ot playing teams away and that they always wanted home games outside of the conference except in the case of big money games. Well I guess your AD took their lead and is turning the BSC into the Bull ****** Conference. Sorry to all the good fans out there for this rant but your AD is an ASS.

I'll tell you what. You match Texas A&M's payout to MSU and I'm sure MSU will drop A&M for NDSU. As for the D II game, an extra home game is going to bring a lot more money to Bobcat Athletics than would a trip to Fargo.

These are the facts. MSU doesn't have to play 2 non-conference road games. As a fan, I feel bad about dropping NDSU, but as an alum, I feel great about giving 13,000 fans another chance to drop some money into the local economy.

BelgradeBobcat · Post by **BelgradeBobcat** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:50 am

PapaG wrote:As for the D II game, an extra home game is going to bring a lot more money to Bobcat Athletics than would a trip to Fargo.

These are the facts. MSU doesn't have to play 2 non-conference road games. As a fan, I feel bad about dropping NDSU, but as an alum, I feel great about giving 13,000 fans another chance to drop some money into the local economy.

We've pretty much beat this horse to death, but one more point. Next season we have the griz in Bozeman. That alone will mean we'll sell-out season tickets. Having six home games means a more expensive season ticket-and a lot more money in the bank for the MSU Athletics. We've got to take advanatage of that opportunity.

I'm really bummed we won't be playing NDSU or SDSU in football with any regularity. We should be. If the NCAA gives us that 12th game we will. In the mean time I'm sure our great institutions will meet up on the basketball and volleyball courts. Our basketball team travels to Brookings this season as a matter of fact.

Shakermaker · Post by **Shakermaker** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 11:51 am

BisonBacker wrote:What about honor and integrity? What good is a contract if you don't intend to honor it? It's being debated in some circles that your AD never intended to honor the contract. If you want teams to come to your house to play a game you need to return the favor. Schools are going to start to require you to make the trip to their house first or otherwise have a huge buyout. Otherwise you will find it hard to get quality opponents to come to Montana to play games. Scheduling a DII in our place when he already has a contract with us to play in Fargo after we made the trip out their? Thats just Bull$hit. As fans you should demand more of your ad then to give your University a black eye like this.

Last time I heard... a contract represents something a bit more solid. Neither program had schedules set in stone. In case you didn't know both schools Montana schools were in the red due to inept ADs (in my opinion), and a game against a scholl like A & M will ensure an ass kicking with a huge pay out. I'm sure the cats would love to play NDSU under any other circumstance though.

Shakermaker · Post by **Shakermaker** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:05 pm

WYOBISONMAN wrote:In reality Montana State is probably doing the same thing that NDSU would do. I hate to break this to you, but it is about money.............and money usually means success.

I don't blame MSU for doing this..........although I would have loved that the game had been played. It was the one I was going to go back to Fargo and watch next year......

WYOBISONMAN,

You truly have a good sense of football for those on this board who aren't familiar with you. You don't trash people unless taunted. I respect that. You love football and you love your Bison. I have read many of your posts over at bisonville.com. You also post on egriz.com and bring nothing but quality (okay... 95% of the time) to your posts. I've been to about six Bison games in the Fargo Dome when my cousin attended NDSU. I sadly watched you guys beat the Griz at Washington Griz Stadium (I was there), and then thought WTF one week later when I watched you lose to UC Davis (I was there as well).

I have to thank you for coming over to the Cats board and being level headed. Even though I hate the Cats at least once a season, I too can not blame them, and defend them, for their decision.

One last thing for Cat fans who don't know about Bison fans. I was treated with nothing but respect at every game in the Fargo Dome by Bison fans. I wore my Griz gear at every game and those Bison fans that did approach me complimented the Griz and were excited about future games.

***Should have been every year with the Cats and the Bison... Fullerton sucks ****

old wise one · Post by **old wise one** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 12:58 pm

Bisonbacker,

You really are idiotic and just don't get it do you? I suggest talking a few night classes in finance. MSU is in a position where we expect 6 home games, and also benefit more financially from 6 home games. So when we added A&M, along with the 4 conference road games we have to play, that didn't leave any room for another road game. Thus, we drop NDSU, and add a home game, no matter who it is against. Therefore we take the $450,000 we get from A&M, less the rumored $100,000 to NDSU(which I highly doubt by the way, probably more like 50K) and net $350,000 to $400,000. Purely a finacial decision. Then add on the extra money we get from the 6th home game, and we are in the chips. Now if you want more financial turoring, I am going to have to charge you, as I don't usually do this kind of work for free.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 1:47 pm

NDSUbison wrote:...If the game can't be rescheduled MSU will pay NDSU 100k to buyout the contract.

And there you have it, Bisonbacker. You want to talk about integrity & honoring contracts? THESE TYPES OF CONTRACTS INCLUDE A BUYOUT CLAUSE FOR REASONS JUST LIKE THIS.

Sorry you're panties are in such a bunch over this but the bottom line is WE ARE HONORING THE CONTRACT.

Forgive us for wanting to have our own fans watch our team AT HOME as many times as possible each season.

But cut the chicken crap & all the other venom you're spewing; the contract IS being honored.

Get it yet?

Shakermaker · Post by **Shakermaker** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 2:35 pm

El_Gato wrote:
NDSUbison wrote:...If the game can't be rescheduled MSU will pay NDSU 100k to buyout the contract.
And there you have it, Bisonbacker. You want to talk about integrity & honoring contracts? THESE TYPES OF CONTRACTS INCLUDE A BUYOUT CLAUSE FOR REASONS JUST LIKE THIS.

Sorry you're panties are in such a bunch over this but the bottom line is WE ARE HONORING THE CONTRACT.

Forgive us for wanting to have our own fans watch our team AT HOME as many times as possible each season.

But cut the chicken crap & all the other venom you're spewing; the contract IS being honored.

Get it yet?

I doubt he does. He's a "tool shed."

griz8791 · Post by **griz8791** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 5:55 pm

Might as well get out the earplugs, because they aren't ever going to stop talking about this. They seem very tense about getting good non-conference games in Fargo.

Egg Salad · Post by **Egg Salad** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 6:04 pm

griz8791 wrote:Might as well get out the earplugs, because they aren't ever going to stop talking about this. They seem very tense about getting good non-conference games in Fargo.

If they want good games in Fargo, they can start by moving out of that travesty called FargoDome.

Citizen Griz · Post by **Citizen Griz** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 9:12 pm

OMFG Bison fans. Welcome to DI football, where the biggest payout prevails every time. You want to lure the Montana schools to Fargo? Then be ready to pay more than $100,000 for the chance. Hell we paid you that much when you were a DII team and that was long before the dam broke on IAs scheduleing IAAs.
Why the hell should UM play for $100,000 in Fargo when its ticket sales per home game is nearly $600,000? Why should MSU settle for your measly $100,000 when A&M promises more than three times that amount. And do you really think the Bobcats are going to follow up gettting knocked around by the Aggies with a road trip to Fargo. MSU's talking bout buying a new rug for Martel Field, that's a $1million item, or more than a dozen Fargo games once travel costs are deducted.
I don't mean to be nasty or drag out any Ole and Leena jokes here but which one are you? Ole or Leena?
Real teams reward their fans with home games, at least six, and if they can bring home beef with seven games, do you really think anyone will be whinning about not being able to see the Fargo Dome on TV?

WyomingGrizFan · Post by **WyomingGrizFan** » Sat Nov 11, 2006 10:59 pm

By the way, this is all amateur athletics, right? The pros play for the money, right?

Grizomatic · Post by **Grizomatic** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:35 am

I wonder how many message boards have been privileged to read this same mantra by a "certain" NDSU "fan"?

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:50 am

All I know is if we (Montana schools) are earning any reputation from this, Bison fans are earning a reputation of their own, less than desirable.

NDSUbison · Post by **NDSUbison** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 3:55 am

I understand MSU intended on going to NDSU from the start and bought out the game for money reasons but I hope you guys can also understand why most Bison fans are unhappy. It has nothing to do with us thinking your chicken and everything to do with the fact that we were looking forward to playing you guys and we also like home games as much as you guys do. We only have 3 home games scheduled as of now and will probably end up with just 5 which will make two straight years of 5 home games. Even though I disagree with buying out games I still have a ton of respect for both Montana schools.

Egg Salad · Post by **Egg Salad** » Sun Nov 12, 2006 11:23 am

NDSUbison wrote:I understand MSU intended on going to NDSU from the start and bought out the game for money reasons but I hope you guys can also understand why most Bison fans are unhappy. It has nothing to do with us thinking your chicken and everything to do with the fact that we were looking forward to playing you guys and we also like home games as much as you guys do. We only have 3 home games scheduled as of now and will probably end up with just 5 which will make two straight years of 5 home games. Even though I disagree with buying out games I still have a ton of respect for both Montana schools.

So we should only schedule five home games to make your fans happy?

BRILLIANT! </guiness guys>

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