Bobcats up to 19th in Sports Network Poll

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:33 pm

GrizinWashington wrote:
tetoncat wrote:I agree in general but looking at the polls it is not unlikely that there will be teams in the top 16 with 4 losses. This has not always been the case, but we also do not have any undeafeted teams on top this year. Maybe there is more parity, but I think if things keep going like they have the last couple of weeks, there is a chance that a 4 loss team gets in. If we have a 6 games win streak then lose close to the #2 ranked team, I think they will consider us over other 4 loss teams and 2-3 loss teams from weak mid major conferences.
While this is true, I think it's a little short-sighted. For example, an argument could easily be made that if both MSU and PSU end up at 7-4, that PSU would get the nod over the cats. I know the cats beat them, but two of PSU losses were to DI-As, and they don't have a DII loss to worry about. I would think the selection committee would give them very serious consideration over the cats. And rankings mean very little to the committee anyway, particular since they've gone to the "regional" format.

As both the Cats and Griz have found out in previous years, only I-A records count....not wins/losses to DII

GrizinWashington · Post by **GrizinWashington** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:25 pm

As both the Cats and Griz have found out in previous years, only I-A records count....not wins/losses to DII

This is incorrect. The NCAA looks at win-loss records to scruitinize a team's SOS. Having more than 3 losses puts a team in jeopardy. And while the committee can give more consideration to a team that played all DI games, there is absolutely nothing in the rules about DII games not counting.

This is why it'd going to be very difficult for the cats to get an at-large. They not only played a DII (a minor strike against them), but they LOST to them. Because of that, in my opinion 4 losses will leave the cats outside again.

The committee shall select the best teams available on a national at-large basis to complete the bracket; 2. There is no limit to the number of teams the committee may select from one conference; 3. The won-lost record of a team will be scrutinized to determine a team’s strength of schedule; however, more than three losses will place a team in jeopardy of not being selected; 4. The committee may give more consideration to those teams that have played all Division I opponents; and 5. If the team of a committee member is under consideration, the member may not vote for the team being considered and will not be in the room when a vote is taken.

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.as ... 111504.htm

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 7:39 pm

Generally speaking I agree with the sentiment that we need to close out with two victories in order to make the playoffs. But, with the events that have unfolded the past two weekends, and with the matchups left this season there is a fairly good chance that a strong four loss team from a tough conference could make it in even over one, two or three loss teams (even undefeated in the case of San Diego).

In considering that line of thinking, you could probably go two different ways with MSU as to their at-large possibilities. First, they did lose to a D-II team, they did beat a D-I team, they lost badly to D-IAA team. Because of these bad losses, PSU could argue to have a stronger bid for one of the spots.

But, the other side could counter and say that MSU beat PSU head up, won their last 6 of 7 (in light of a Cat/Griz loss). This arguement would be bolstered particularly by a close game on Nov. 18th.

I guess for myself, it opens the door to potential failure to even discuss at-large bid possibilities. Up until now, I've strayed from it both here and AGS. I mean no disrespect to the Griz team or its fans, but I really think the Cats are going to win that game this year. So, I'll be fully focused on us winning out and trying to hose a home playoff game this year.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:26 pm

Good arguments on both sides if it came down to MSU vs. PSU for a playoff bid. Obviously, our win against them would be a huge factor, but I think the biggest factor no one has mentioned is the almighty $$$ factor, which we all know is the #1 and only thing the NCAA cares about. MSU, as we have proven in years past, would travel a great number of fans to wherever they got sent. PSU would travel about 50 people, 49 of them players' parents.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 12:28 am

BozoneCat wrote:Good arguments on both sides if it came down to MSU vs. PSU for a playoff bid. Obviously, our win against them would be a huge factor, but I think the biggest factor no one has mentioned is the almighty $$$ factor, which we all know is the #1 and only thing the NCAA cares about. MSU, as we have proven in years past, would travel a great number of fans to wherever they got sent. PSU would travel about 50 people, 49 of them players' parents.

I will be rooting for NAU this weekend - they host PSU in the Walkup Skydome. I would pay the price of admission to see that one - should be a damn good game (tough D against a potent O).

Cat in NC · Post by **Cat in NC** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:46 am

BozoneCat wrote:Good arguments on both sides if it came down to MSU vs. PSU for a playoff bid. Obviously, our win against them would be a huge factor, but I think the biggest factor no one has mentioned is the almighty $$$ factor, which we all know is the #1 and only thing the NCAA cares about. MSU, as we have proven in years past, would travel a great number of fans to wherever they got sent. PSU would travel about 50 people, 49 of them players' parents.

An important point to note. Remember, there are a lot of other teams out there other than MSU & PSU (and most of them will be complaining about getting snubbed the day after the field is named). There's still a ton that's up in the air (the San Diego situation) and a ton of playing left to do in the other big conferences (especially the Gateway, A-10 and SoCon). These last couple weeks of the season are going to be very, very interesting and the I hope that the Cats render all of these posts moot and win out.

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:29 am

Oops - just noticed a Freudian Slip in your post BareChest... anyone else notice it?

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:32 am

catatac wrote:Oops - just noticed a Freudian Slip in your post BareChest... anyone else notice it?

I thought only Big Sky officials could actually do that BCC

083190 · Post by **083190** » Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:36 am

Barechest, you truly are the "Hoseman!'