Really, Coach?

[Platinumcat]

One thing is for certain with the two of them in the active roster, we will for sure always have a very quick, very agile, hole-hittin', vertical runnin', big-play-can-happen-at-anytime, fresh legged runner on every play.

Maybe their nickname should be the A-team as I pity the fool(s) who tries to stop this all game long.

[GOKATS]

One thing is for certain with the two of them in the active roster, we will for sure always have a very quick, very agile, hole-hittin', vertical runnin', big-play-can-happen-at-anytime, fresh legged runner on every play.

Maybe their nickname should be the A-team as I pity the fool(s) who tries to stop this all game long.

Totally agree as I tend to look forward rather than back (unlike quite a few a few weeks back that were crying that the sky was falling).

Go 'Cats!!

[Fat Cat]

1BadBobcat wrote:

Here's a thought: use Groves and Mason the same way the New Orleans Saints are using Reggie Bush & Deuce McAllister. Have Groves be your runner (ala McAllister) and use Mason as a punt/kick returner and throw screen and slant passes to him as to get him in open space one-on-one against the defender. Mason has got some good speed and moves.

I like your line of thinking. Groves is excellent all around runner, but Mason has some blazing speed and some special skills we need to take advantage of. I like the kick returner idea for Mason. He has got excellent field vision, and the speed to burn. I still like Austin or Lewis at punt return though.

I think there is plenty of room for Groves and Mason. Grove works very well in tight spaces, and can really get the tough yards on third down or goal line. Mason is one of the best I have seen going to the outside. I think they can really compliment each other. Going into the 4th quarter, our running game should still be going strong with two backs. Given the clock rule changes, the Cats should be in great shape if holding a lead later in the game.

[alasax]

I was most impressed with the patience Mason displayed.
He followed his blockers (often with a hand on their back) until they gave him the hole. And then......he is so quick.

[grizzh8r]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

You didn't say this?

No worries 1BadBobcat, just messin' with you . I know where you're coming from on your two posts on the matter.

My bad Here's a thought: use Groves and Mason the same way the New Orleans Saints are using Reggie Bush & Deuce McAllister. Have Groves be your runner (ala McAllister) and use Mason as a punt/kick returner and throw screen and slant passes to him as to get him in open space one-on-one against the defender. Mason has got some good speed and moves

Not only that, but they damn near wear the same numbers (Mason #25, Groves #28 - Bush #25, McAlister #26)

However, I must disagree with the kick returner spot for Mason. He is still a freshman, and he is short for a kick returner. That is the reason most kickoff returners are WR.

The 1-2 punch of Groves/Mason or Mason/Groves will be a luxury for the rest of the season (barring injuries). Not only that, but we have both of them for 2 MORE YEARS!

[Platinumcat]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

You didn't say this?

No worries 1BadBobcat, just messin' with you . I know where you're coming from on your two posts on the matter.

My bad Here's a thought: use Groves and Mason the same way the New Orleans Saints are using Reggie Bush & Deuce McAllister. Have Groves be your runner (ala McAllister) and use Mason as a punt/kick returner and throw screen and slant passes to him as to get him in open space one-on-one against the defender. Mason has got some good speed and moves

Not only that, but they damn near wear the same numbers (Mason #25, Groves #28 - Bush #25, McAlister #26)

However, I must disagree with the kick returner spot for Mason. He is still a freshman, and he is short for a kick returner. That is the reason most kickoff returners are WR.

The 1-2 punch of Groves/Mason or Mason/Groves will be a luxury for the rest of the season (barring injuries). Not only that, but we have both of them for 2 MORE YEARS!

Even better then that....We have Mason for three more years as he is a true freshman that just turned 18 10 days ago (Kramer has mentioned still trying to red shirt him if Groves stays healthy...not sure if this would actually happen though). Groves we do still have for two more years as he is a sophomore

[grizzh8r]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

You didn't say this?

No worries 1BadBobcat, just messin' with you . I know where you're coming from on your two posts on the matter.

My bad Here's a thought: use Groves and Mason the same way the New Orleans Saints are using Reggie Bush & Deuce McAllister. Have Groves be your runner (ala McAllister) and use Mason as a punt/kick returner and throw screen and slant passes to him as to get him in open space one-on-one against the defender. Mason has got some good speed and moves

Not only that, but they damn near wear the same numbers (Mason #25, Groves #28 - Bush #25, McAlister #26)

However, I must disagree with the kick returner spot for Mason. He is still a freshman, and he is short for a kick returner. That is the reason most kickoff returners are WR.

The 1-2 punch of Groves/Mason or Mason/Groves will be a luxury for the rest of the season (barring injuries). Not only that, but we have both of them for 2 MORE YEARS!

Even better then that....We have Mason for three more years as he is a true freshman that just turned 18 10 days ago (Kramer has mentioned still trying to red shirt him if Groves stays healthy...not sure if this would actually happen though). Groves we do still have for two more years as he is a sophomore

I know, but I was looking at the 1-2 punch side of things (having BOTH of them for 2 more years).

[Platinumcat]

Aaron Mason is not as good as Evin Groves and he understands that? Let's step back and look at the raw numbers. Groves has played in 8 games going back to the Stephen F. Austin game in 2005. Including the game this year against CU, he has played in 8 games, and carried it 117 times for a total of 493 yards. An average of 4.21 yards/carry. He also has 6 TDs to go along with that.

Mason has played in 5 games this year as a true freshman. He has 68 carries for 380 yards. That's an average of 5.59 yards/carry. He has 4 rushing TDs.

In the receiving department, Groves has 13 receptions for 74 yards and no TDS (5.69 yds./rec.). Mason has 6 catches for 53 yards and 1 receiving TD (8.83 yds./rec.).

So, is Groves all that much better than Mason? I beg to differ. He has played in only 3 more games than Mason, so it's really not an experience thing. He has less yards/carry and less yards/reception and only one more TD than Mason, so it's not a talent thing. Mason is probably not as a good a pass blocker right now, but he's a true freshman, so that will come along.

I like Mike Kramer. I like what Kramer has done for our program. I like about 99% of the stuff that comes out of Kramer's mouth because he doesn't pull any punches and alot of it is funny. But I am so tired of his putting down players in the media, especially in this case when there is really no proof that it is true.

Would it suck for Groves to lose his starting spot because of an injury? Yes. Would it suck for Mason to lose his starting spot just because of the fact the other guy is coming off IR? Yes. But IMHO, Mason just got us through two rough games and was the sole reason why we beat PSU. Our offense seems to be gelling right now, and if you bring someone else in, it could throw off the whole tempo. And we are not real sure if Groves is 100% yet. There needs to be a way to utilize them both, but please Coach, don't tell me Groves is way much better right now because I would prefer not to have any smoke blown up my arse.

You didn't say this?

No worries 1BadBobcat, just messin' with you . I know where you're coming from on your two posts on the matter.

My bad Here's a thought: use Groves and Mason the same way the New Orleans Saints are using Reggie Bush & Deuce McAllister. Have Groves be your runner (ala McAllister) and use Mason as a punt/kick returner and throw screen and slant passes to him as to get him in open space one-on-one against the defender. Mason has got some good speed and moves

Not only that, but they damn near wear the same numbers (Mason #25, Groves #28 - Bush #25, McAlister #26)

However, I must disagree with the kick returner spot for Mason. He is still a freshman, and he is short for a kick returner. That is the reason most kickoff returners are WR.

The 1-2 punch of Groves/Mason or Mason/Groves will be a luxury for the rest of the season (barring injuries). Not only that, but we have both of them for 2 MORE YEARS!

Even better then that....We have Mason for three more years as he is a true freshman that just turned 18 10 days ago (Kramer has mentioned still trying to red shirt him if Groves stays healthy...not sure if this would actually happen though). Groves we do still have for two more years as he is a sophomore

I know, but I was looking at the 1-2 punch side of things (having BOTH of them for 2 more years).

Now I'm up to speed.

[Griz Dude]

I was plenty impressed with Groves last year as he torched Montana for 180 yards. I have seen Mason play briefly on TV, so I can not comment on his ability. I would have a hard time playing him over Groves though.

[Hell's Bells]

I was plenty impressed with Groves last year as he torched Montana for 180 yards. I have seen Mason play briefly on TV, so I can not comment on his ability. I would have a hard time playing him over Groves though.

mason is speedy quick with moves. he is going to be a good back

man this is good luck or recruiting. two frosh backs that have broken the frosh rushing record!

[skizm]

Let the coaching staff decide on the main RB. They see more than we do. Looks like they'll both play a fair amount on Saturday.

Who knows, maybe it could be really tight.

[grizzh8r]

I was plenty impressed with Groves last year as he torched Montana for 180 yards. I have seen Mason play briefly on TV, so I can not comment on his ability. I would have a hard time playing him over Groves though.

Actually he only rushed for 143, but it seemed like more, didn't it?