Big Sky Football Players of the Week

[Joe Bobcat]

Don't consider myself much of a conspiracy theorist, BUT, so far the Big Sky Conference football players of the week (typically one each for offense, defense, special teams although sometimes there are co players of the week) are distributed as follows:

Effing frizzzzz: 10
Davis, Idaho St: 5
Sac: 4
UNC: 3
'Cats, Weber, CP, NAU, EWU: 2
Idaho: 1

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...............

I don't take this as a slight in the least. UM has a couple really good players - with the rest unremarkable - a soft schedule that allowed them to rack up offensive stats and POW honors. MSU on the other hand is a deep team with talent spread evenly across all areas that quietly dominate other teams. Totally unsurprising.

You do realize your SOS is heavily propped up by playing Oregon, right? That’s a guaranteed loss for any FCS team and it artificially inflates the resume metrics. If you swap that game out for a typical FCS or D2 opponent like Montana did with Central Washington, the SOS gap becomes pretty normal.

The Cats have better lines right now, and the Griz have better skill guys and explosive playmakers. That’s not a knock either way, it’s just how the two rosters are built. And that’s why Montana has more Big Sky Player of the Week honors; those awards go to guys who make explosive, game-changing plays, not depth pieces.
It’s not some conference conspiracy like the OP hinted at.

To expand on that it's clearly NDSU vs the field this year and NDSU has never been beaten in the trenches by a Big Sky team. They send NFL linemen into the league every year. Trying to beat them at their own strength hasn’t worked for over a decade.

Meanwhile, Montana’s formula is built to go over and around those lines with elite athletes, perimeter speed, and special teams, which is the only blueprint I think gives anyone a shot.

I wouldn't say the Griz are automatically better than the Cats or will win head-to-head. I’m just saying I have zero interest in trying to beat the Bison playing Bison football. If anyone in the Big Sky is going to make a dent in them this year, it’s going to be the team with the playmakers, not the team hoping to out-grind NFL-caliber trenches.

Wrongo. That hasn't worked for anyone thus far. Plus the griz show alot of chinks in the armor. They havent been able to stop a good offense. Good for them for giving ah Yat more leash this year. But who are all these great skill position guys outside of 1 rb and 1 wr? And people have been able to bottle up that 1 good rb.

You’re arguing my exact point here. Nobody in the Big Sky has beaten NDSU in the trenches. If line-centric football was the answer, it would’ve happened by now. It hasn’t.

As for “chinks in the armor,” every contender has them, including MSU. The difference is Montana wins through explosive plays, special teams, and perimeter pressure. Big Sky Player of the Week totals reflect that. You don’t rack up 10 awards with just “one RB and one WR.”

And if bottling up one RB was actually the key, the Griz wouldn’t be undefeated with a win over a top 10 UND.

Montana’s approach isn’t perfect, but trying to out-NDSU NDSU hasn’t worked in 13 years. So if there’s a shot, it’s not through the trenches, it’s through playmakers.

You havent watched many playoffs games of teams with great playmakers against NDSU have you?

I remember vividly all those Nattys won by Eastern Washington when they had Kendrick Bourne and Cooper Kupp at WR and a stable of great running backs.

I see what you're saying there Prodigal.
Yeah EWU had a long run where they had multiple great playmakers on the team far superior to what the Griz have now. EWU's record against NDSU (this would be a good time for griz fans to stop reading) 1 win 5 losses. By the way that one win came way back in 2010 in OT after a still controversial call against NDSU.

A championship team needs O and D lines that are capable of setting the table to provide a place for the playmakers to feast at the big table. Without adequate O and D lines your playmakers are relegated to the kids table.

[grizzh8r]

Don't consider myself much of a conspiracy theorist, BUT, so far the Big Sky Conference football players of the week (typically one each for offense, defense, special teams although sometimes there are co players of the week) are distributed as follows:

Effing frizzzzz: 10
Davis, Idaho St: 5
Sac: 4
UNC: 3
'Cats, Weber, CP, NAU, EWU: 2
Idaho: 1

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...............

I don't take this as a slight in the least. UM has a couple really good players - with the rest unremarkable - a soft schedule that allowed them to rack up offensive stats and POW honors. MSU on the other hand is a deep team with talent spread evenly across all areas that quietly dominate other teams. Totally unsurprising.

You do realize your SOS is heavily propped up by playing Oregon, right? That’s a guaranteed loss for any FCS team and it artificially inflates the resume metrics. If you swap that game out for a typical FCS or D2 opponent like Montana did with Central Washington, the SOS gap becomes pretty normal.

The Cats have better lines right now, and the Griz have better skill guys and explosive playmakers. That’s not a knock either way, it’s just how the two rosters are built. And that’s why Montana has more Big Sky Player of the Week honors; those awards go to guys who make explosive, game-changing plays, not depth pieces.
It’s not some conference conspiracy like the OP hinted at.

To expand on that it's clearly NDSU vs the field this year and NDSU has never been beaten in the trenches by a Big Sky team. They send NFL linemen into the league every year. Trying to beat them at their own strength hasn’t worked for over a decade.

Meanwhile, Montana’s formula is built to go over and around those lines with elite athletes, perimeter speed, and special teams, which is the only blueprint I think gives anyone a shot.

I wouldn't say the Griz are automatically better than the Cats or will win head-to-head. I’m just saying I have zero interest in trying to beat the Bison playing Bison football. If anyone in the Big Sky is going to make a dent in them this year, it’s going to be the team with the playmakers, not the team hoping to out-grind NFL-caliber trenches.

Wrongo. That hasn't worked for anyone thus far. Plus the griz show alot of chinks in the armor. They havent been able to stop a good offense. Good for them for giving ah Yat more leash this year. But who are all these great skill position guys outside of 1 rb and 1 wr? And people have been able to bottle up that 1 good rb.

You’re arguing my exact point here. Nobody in the Big Sky has beaten NDSU in the trenches. If line-centric football was the answer, it would’ve happened by now. It hasn’t.

As for “chinks in the armor,” every contender has them, including MSU. The difference is Montana wins through explosive plays, special teams, and perimeter pressure. Big Sky Player of the Week totals reflect that. You don’t rack up 10 awards with just “one RB and one WR.”

And if bottling up one RB was actually the key, the Griz wouldn’t be undefeated with a win over a top 10 UND.

Montana’s approach isn’t perfect, but trying to out-NDSU NDSU hasn’t worked in 13 years. So if there’s a shot, it’s not through the trenches, it’s through playmakers.

You havent watched many playoffs games of teams with great playmakers against NDSU have you?

I remember vividly all those Nattys won by Eastern Washington when they had Kendrick Bourne and Cooper Kupp at WR and a stable of great running backs.

I see what you're saying there Prodigal.
Yeah EWU had a long run where they had multiple great playmakers on the team far superior to what the Griz have now. EWU's record against NDSU (this would be a good time for griz fans to stop reading) 1 win 5 losses. By the way that one win came way back in 2010 in OT after a still controversial call against NDSU.

A championship team needs O and D lines that are capable of setting the table to provide a place for the playmakers to feast at the big table. Without adequate O and D lines your playmakers are relegated to the kids table.

Look at @Prodigal Cat laying on the sarcasm THICK!

Another good point is that 2010 NDSU team hadn't won anything yet, at least not at the FCS level. They were still building the foundation of their eventual dynasty at that time. Shoot, that same year, MSU whipped EWU 30-7 in the regular season and played NDSU even in the quarterfinals through 3 quarters until an absolutely disastrous 4th quarter (one of the sad hallmarks of the Rob Ash era; multiple 4th quarter implosions leading to grasping defeat from the jaws of victory ).

[kwcat]

Don't consider myself much of a conspiracy theorist, BUT, so far the Big Sky Conference football players of the week (typically one each for offense, defense, special teams although sometimes there are co players of the week) are distributed as follows:

Effing frizzzzz: 10
Davis, Idaho St: 5
Sac: 4
UNC: 3
'Cats, Weber, CP, NAU, EWU: 2
Idaho: 1

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...............

Maybe this is already been answered. Don’t have time to read the entire thread. But when you have a good balance team, it’s a positive thing that so many players don’t stand out too much. I hate to go back to the well but NDSU when winning championships many times had a lot of players not getting recognition. Overall, a good balance team. Just my two cents.

A good example might be just playing Cal poly. D’amato sticks out on Cal poly defense, however, was on the losing team and different times, Lamson and Davis made him look really bad

[kwcat]

I think the thing about Lamson that also comes to mind is he is unremarkable. And what I mean by that is he doesn’t stick out in huge ways but tends to manage the game and take advantage of some opportunities. that’s a good thing. He still misses reads fairly often and in this last game against Cal poly was pulling the trigger too quick and was definitely tight. I think he’s a good quarterback and continuing to get better. Hopefully he makes it through the season, healthy, and we see him in Nashville.

[Joe Bobcat]

I remember vividly all those Nattys won by Eastern Washington when they had Kendrick Bourne and Cooper Kupp at WR and a stable of great running backs.

I see what you're saying there Prodigal.
Yeah EWU had a long run where they had multiple great playmakers on the team far superior to what the Griz have now. EWU's record against NDSU (this would be a good time for griz fans to stop reading) 1 win 5 losses. By the way that one win came way back in 2010 in OT after a still controversial call against NDSU.

A championship team needs O and D lines that are capable of setting the table to provide a place for the playmakers to feast at the big table. Without adequate O and D lines your playmakers are relegated to the kids table.

Look at @Prodigal Cat laying on the sarcasm THICK!

Another good point is that 2010 NDSU team hadn't won anything yet, at least not at the FCS level. They were still building the foundation of their eventual dynasty at that time. Shoot, that same year, MSU whipped EWU 30-7 in the regular season and played NDSU even in the quarterfinals through 3 quarters until an absolutely disastrous 4th quarter (one of the sad hallmarks of the Rob Ash era; multiple 4th quarter implosions leading to grasping defeat from the jaws of victory ).

Yep, the Cats had played them close all game and took the lead at the start of the 4th. NDSU answered back so the Cats trailed by 4 most of the 4th when all of a sudden on a drive of one play NDSU scored and a couple of minutes later on a drive of one play they scored again.
The temperature that day was in the teens but I had been warm throughout the game. When they went up by 3 scores it was as if the blood left my body and I was freezing cold to the point of shivering. Bitter memory for sure.

[iaafan]

Lamson week-by-week:

31-23-0 198
18-28-0 123
23-26-1 293 3 TD’s
12-17-1 121
13-20-0 270 3 TD’s
13-19-0 213 2 TD’s
17-21-0 184 4 TD’s
19-30-0 176 1 TD

Not a single Player of the Week?

I saw people saying Lamson had an off night. I thought he had a bad start. After that he was 18 for 25 171 yards 1TD. It’s a little off for him but still very good. 72%. Yards per attempt not good but no interceptions.

[Cataholic]

I think the thing about Lamson that also comes to mind is he is unremarkable. And what I mean by that is he doesn’t stick out in huge ways but tends to manage the game and take advantage of some opportunities. that’s a good thing. He still misses reads fairly often and in this last game against Cal poly was pulling the trigger too quick and was definitely tight. I think he’s a good quarterback and continuing to get better. Hopefully he makes it through the season, healthy, and we see him in Nashville.

Lamson is arguably the team MVP right now. He is already a leader and plays with hard nosed passion. If he was injured, it would be a critical blow to our season.

[mslacatfan]

I think the thing about Lamson that also comes to mind is he is unremarkable. And what I mean by that is he doesn’t stick out in huge ways but tends to manage the game and take advantage of some opportunities. that’s a good thing. He still misses reads fairly often and in this last game against Cal poly was pulling the trigger too quick and was definitely tight. I think he’s a good quarterback and continuing to get better. Hopefully he makes it through the season, healthy, and we see him in Nashville.

Lamson is arguably the team MVP right now. He is already a leader and plays with hard nosed passion. If he was injured, it would be a critical blow to our season.

It would really make me happy if he would try to avoid the big hits he takes every game…. Every time he lowers his head and takes on multiple defenders it makes me nervous.

We already saw how that style worked out for both chambers and mellott.

[MSU01]

I think the thing about Lamson that also comes to mind is he is unremarkable. And what I mean by that is he doesn’t stick out in huge ways but tends to manage the game and take advantage of some opportunities. that’s a good thing. He still misses reads fairly often and in this last game against Cal poly was pulling the trigger too quick and was definitely tight. I think he’s a good quarterback and continuing to get better. Hopefully he makes it through the season, healthy, and we see him in Nashville.

Lamson is arguably the team MVP right now. He is already a leader and plays with hard nosed passion. If he was injured, it would be a critical blow to our season.

I agree and don't think it's arguable. Lamson had one bad game against Mercyhurst but has been fantastic aside from that. He's better than what I had in mind as the best case scenario when he transferred here. Thanks to Bowling Green for changing coaches when they did!

[Cataholic]

I think the thing about Lamson that also comes to mind is he is unremarkable. And what I mean by that is he doesn’t stick out in huge ways but tends to manage the game and take advantage of some opportunities. that’s a good thing. He still misses reads fairly often and in this last game against Cal poly was pulling the trigger too quick and was definitely tight. I think he’s a good quarterback and continuing to get better. Hopefully he makes it through the season, healthy, and we see him in Nashville.

Lamson is arguably the team MVP right now. He is already a leader and plays with hard nosed passion. If he was injured, it would be a critical blow to our season.

It would really make me happy if he would try to avoid the big hits he takes every game…. Every time he lowers his head and takes on multiple defenders it makes me nervous.

We already saw how that style worked out for both chambers and mellott.

I agree. I am sure coaches are telling him to avoid the big hits as well, but he has been tough as nails. And it is infectious with teammates. When your leader is putting his body on the line, others follow suit. From what I have see though, Lamson is a winner and a perfect fit for our culture.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Lamson week-by-week:

31-23-0 198
18-28-0 123
23-26-1 293 3 TD’s
12-17-1 121
13-20-0 270 3 TD’s
13-19-0 213 2 TD’s
17-21-0 184 4 TD’s
19-30-0 176 1 TD

Not a single Player of the Week?

If MSU wins the BSC he’s a lock for offensive MVP.

Depends how Wortham finishes.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I think the thing about Lamson that also comes to mind is he is unremarkable. And what I mean by that is he doesn’t stick out in huge ways but tends to manage the game and take advantage of some opportunities. that’s a good thing. He still misses reads fairly often and in this last game against Cal poly was pulling the trigger too quick and was definitely tight. I think he’s a good quarterback and continuing to get better. Hopefully he makes it through the season, healthy, and we see him in Nashville.

Lamson is arguably the team MVP right now. He is already a leader and plays with hard nosed passion. If he was injured, it would be a critical blow to our season.

It would really make me happy if he would try to avoid the big hits he takes every game…. Every time he lowers his head and takes on multiple defenders it makes me nervous.

We already saw how that style worked out for both chambers and mellott.

I agree. I am sure coaches are telling him to avoid the big hits as well, but he has been tough as nails. And it is infectious with teammates. When your leader is putting his body on the line, others follow suit. From what I have see though, Lamson is a winner and a perfect fit for our culture.

I think he’s realistically everything you want in a QB. I’m not saying he’s the best QB there is, but I don’t think there’s anything he can’t do, and like you said, his teammates love him.

[coloradocat]

Lamson week-by-week:

31-23-0 198
18-28-0 123
23-26-1 293 3 TD’s
12-17-1 121
13-20-0 270 3 TD’s
13-19-0 213 2 TD’s
17-21-0 184 4 TD’s
19-30-0 176 1 TD

Not a single Player of the Week?

If MSU wins the BSC he’s a lock for offensive MVP.

Depends how Wortham finishes.

And more specifically, how Cat-griz turns out. If the griz win it will almost definitely be because of Wortham. If the Cats win it will likely be because we shut Wortham down (or held him to a single score). Lamson doesn't have to play great in the game to lock up the MVP, he just has to win. That game will be the tie breaker unless one of them gets earlier. I think the coaches are going to want to vote for Wortham but if he doesn't perform well against a real defense they'll go with the QB of the best team.

[WalkOn79]

Don't consider myself much of a conspiracy theorist, BUT, so far the Big Sky Conference football players of the week (typically one each for offense, defense, special teams although sometimes there are co players of the week) are distributed as follows:

Effing frizzzzz: 10
Davis, Idaho St: 5
Sac: 4
UNC: 3
'Cats, Weber, CP, NAU, EWU: 2
Idaho: 1

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm...............

I don't take this as a slight in the least. UM has a couple really good players - with the rest unremarkable - a soft schedule that allowed them to rack up offensive stats and POW honors. MSU on the other hand is a deep team with talent spread evenly across all areas that quietly dominate other teams. Totally unsurprising.

You do realize your SOS is heavily propped up by playing Oregon, right? That’s a guaranteed loss for any FCS team and it artificially inflates the resume metrics. If you swap that game out for a typical FCS or D2 opponent like Montana did with Central Washington, the SOS gap becomes pretty normal.

The Cats have better lines right now, and the Griz have better skill guys and explosive playmakers. That’s not a knock either way, it’s just how the two rosters are built. And that’s why Montana has more Big Sky Player of the Week honors; those awards go to guys who make explosive, game-changing plays, not depth pieces.
It’s not some conference conspiracy like the OP hinted at.

To expand on that it's clearly NDSU vs the field this year and NDSU has never been beaten in the trenches by a Big Sky team. They send NFL linemen into the league every year. Trying to beat them at their own strength hasn’t worked for over a decade.

Meanwhile, Montana’s formula is built to go over and around those lines with elite athletes, perimeter speed, and special teams, which is the only blueprint I think gives anyone a shot.

I wouldn't say the Griz are automatically better than the Cats or will win head-to-head. I’m just saying I have zero interest in trying to beat the Bison playing Bison football. If anyone in the Big Sky is going to make a dent in them this year, it’s going to be the team with the playmakers, not the team hoping to out-grind NFL-caliber trenches.

Wrongo. That hasn't worked for anyone thus far. Plus the griz show alot of chinks in the armor. They havent been able to stop a good offense. Good for them for giving ah Yat more leash this year. But who are all these great skill position guys outside of 1 rb and 1 wr? And people have been able to bottle up that 1 good rb.

You’re arguing my exact point here. Nobody in the Big Sky has beaten NDSU in the trenches. If line-centric football was the answer, it would’ve happened by now. It hasn’t.

As for “chinks in the armor,” every contender has them, including MSU. The difference is Montana wins through explosive plays, special teams, and perimeter pressure. Big Sky Player of the Week totals reflect that. You don’t rack up 10 awards with just “one RB and one WR.”

And if bottling up one RB was actually the key, the Griz wouldn’t be undefeated with a win over a top 10 UND.

Montana’s approach isn’t perfect, but trying to out-NDSU NDSU hasn’t worked in 13 years. So if there’s a shot, it’s not through the trenches, it’s through playmakers.

You havent watched many playoffs games of teams with great playmakers against NDSU have you?

I remember vividly all those Nattys won by Eastern Washington when they had Kendrick Bourne and Cooper Kupp at WR and a stable of great running backs.

I see what you're saying there Prodigal.
Yeah EWU had a long run where they had multiple great playmakers on the team far superior to what the Griz have now. EWU's record against NDSU (this would be a good time for griz fans to stop reading) 1 win 5 losses. By the way that one win came way back in 2010 in OT after a still controversial call against NDSU.

A championship team needs O and D lines that are capable of setting the table to provide a place for the playmakers to feast at the big table. Without adequate O and D lines your playmakers are relegated to the kids table.

Or the JV

[WalkOn79]

I remember vividly all those Nattys won by Eastern Washington when they had Kendrick Bourne and Cooper Kupp at WR and a stable of great running backs.

I see what you're saying there Prodigal.
Yeah EWU had a long run where they had multiple great playmakers on the team far superior to what the Griz have now. EWU's record against NDSU (this would be a good time for griz fans to stop reading) 1 win 5 losses. By the way that one win came way back in 2010 in OT after a still controversial call against NDSU.

A championship team needs O and D lines that are capable of setting the table to provide a place for the playmakers to feast at the big table. Without adequate O and D lines your playmakers are relegated to the kids table.

Look at @Prodigal Cat laying on the sarcasm THICK!

Another good point is that 2010 NDSU team hadn't won anything yet, at least not at the FCS level. They were still building the foundation of their eventual dynasty at that time. Shoot, that same year, MSU whipped EWU 30-7 in the regular season and played NDSU even in the quarterfinals through 3 quarters until an absolutely disastrous 4th quarter (one of the sad hallmarks of the Rob Ash era; multiple 4th quarter implosions leading to grasping defeat from the jaws of victory ).

Yep, the Cats had played them close all game and took the lead at the start of the 4th. NDSU answered back so the Cats trailed by 4 most of the 4th when all of a sudden on a drive of one play NDSU scored and a couple of minutes later on a drive of one play they scored again.
The temperature that day was in the teens but I had been warm throughout the game. When they went up by 3 scores it was as if the blood left my body and I was freezing cold to the point of shivering. Bitter memory for sure.

Yeah that game SUCKED BALLS!!

[BelligerentBobcat]

Lamson week-by-week:

31-23-0 198
18-28-0 123
23-26-1 293 3 TD’s
12-17-1 121
13-20-0 270 3 TD’s
13-19-0 213 2 TD’s
17-21-0 184 4 TD’s
19-30-0 176 1 TD

Not a single Player of the Week?

If MSU wins the BSC he’s a lock for offensive MVP.

Depends how Wortham finishes.

And more specifically, how Cat-griz turns out. If the griz win it will almost definitely be because of Wortham. If the Cats win it will likely be because we shut Wortham down (or held him to a single score). Lamson doesn't have to play great in the game to lock up the MVP, he just has to win. That game will be the tie breaker unless one of them gets earlier. I think the coaches are going to want to vote for Wortham but if he doesn't perform well against a real defense they'll go with the QB of the best team.

Maybe.

I don’t like the idea that offensive MVP has to come from the team with the best record.

[TomCat88]

Lamson week-by-week:

31-23-0 198
18-28-0 123
23-26-1 293 3 TD’s
12-17-1 121
13-20-0 270 3 TD’s
13-19-0 213 2 TD’s
17-21-0 184 4 TD’s
19-30-0 176 1 TD

Not a single Player of the Week?

If MSU wins the BSC he’s a lock for offensive MVP.

Depends how Wortham finishes.

And more specifically, how Cat-griz turns out. If the griz win it will almost definitely be because of Wortham. If the Cats win it will likely be because we shut Wortham down (or held him to a single score). Lamson doesn't have to play great in the game to lock up the MVP, he just has to win. That game will be the tie breaker unless one of them gets earlier. I think the coaches are going to want to vote for Wortham but if he doesn't perform well against a real defense they'll go with the QB of the best team.

Maybe.

I don’t like the idea that offensive MVP has to come from the team with the best record.

Is it POY or MVP?

[coloradocat]

Lamson week-by-week:

31-23-0 198
18-28-0 123
23-26-1 293 3 TD’s
12-17-1 121
13-20-0 270 3 TD’s
13-19-0 213 2 TD’s
17-21-0 184 4 TD’s
19-30-0 176 1 TD

Not a single Player of the Week?

If MSU wins the BSC he’s a lock for offensive MVP.

Depends how Wortham finishes.

And more specifically, how Cat-griz turns out. If the griz win it will almost definitely be because of Wortham. If the Cats win it will likely be because we shut Wortham down (or held him to a single score). Lamson doesn't have to play great in the game to lock up the MVP, he just has to win. That game will be the tie breaker unless one of them gets earlier. I think the coaches are going to want to vote for Wortham but if he doesn't perform well against a real defense they'll go with the QB of the best team.

Maybe.

I don’t like the idea that offensive MVP has to come from the team with the best record.

I don't think it has to but Wortham is definitely the most exciting guy and he's why the griz have a chance to win more than one game in the playoffs. If the records were flipped he'd still have the advantage over Lamson.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Lamson week-by-week:

31-23-0 198
18-28-0 123
23-26-1 293 3 TD’s
12-17-1 121
13-20-0 270 3 TD’s
13-19-0 213 2 TD’s
17-21-0 184 4 TD’s
19-30-0 176 1 TD

Not a single Player of the Week?

If MSU wins the BSC he’s a lock for offensive MVP.

Depends how Wortham finishes.

And more specifically, how Cat-griz turns out. If the griz win it will almost definitely be because of Wortham. If the Cats win it will likely be because we shut Wortham down (or held him to a single score). Lamson doesn't have to play great in the game to lock up the MVP, he just has to win. That game will be the tie breaker unless one of them gets earlier. I think the coaches are going to want to vote for Wortham but if he doesn't perform well against a real defense they'll go with the QB of the best team.

Maybe.

I don’t like the idea that offensive MVP has to come from the team with the best record.

I don't think it has to but Wortham is definitely the most exciting guy and he's why the griz have a chance to win more than one game in the playoffs. If the records were flipped he'd still have the advantage over Lamson.

I agree with you regarding Wortham.

I love Lamson, but don’t think he is or should be POY.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Lamson week-by-week:

31-23-0 198
18-28-0 123
23-26-1 293 3 TD’s
12-17-1 121
13-20-0 270 3 TD’s
13-19-0 213 2 TD’s
17-21-0 184 4 TD’s
19-30-0 176 1 TD

Not a single Player of the Week?

If MSU wins the BSC he’s a lock for offensive MVP.

Depends how Wortham finishes.

And more specifically, how Cat-griz turns out. If the griz win it will almost definitely be because of Wortham. If the Cats win it will likely be because we shut Wortham down (or held him to a single score). Lamson doesn't have to play great in the game to lock up the MVP, he just has to win. That game will be the tie breaker unless one of them gets earlier. I think the coaches are going to want to vote for Wortham but if he doesn't perform well against a real defense they'll go with the QB of the best team.

Maybe.

I don’t like the idea that offensive MVP has to come from the team with the best record.

Is it POY or MVP?

Don’t know. Doesn’t change my argument.