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BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:08 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote: New QB
Quote: "There are no proven receivers who return.

Kind of sounds like a rebuilding year to me.

Let's look at the conference and if it seems reasonable Kramer can reload (because of so many returning letterment) not rebuild.

The majority of the BSC is rebuilding

EWU - Senior QB leaving and lost big WR - no replacements yet.
UM - Freshman (no) QB last year so QB is a question, lost their OL, and poor recievers (They do have Lex)
ISU senior QB leaving,
SAC senior QB leaving
PSU - Rubin leaving (their main offense) - QB will be senior next year.

NAU has the best QB returning - but on a poor team
Weber does have a Senior QB returning
I actually think Weber will be one of the top teams next year.

Given the above and MSU having a JR QB returning and an Hawaii transfer coming in already so they are not looking for a QB.
Also with one WR locked and many more to come (Remember Kramer has been very good at bringing in GOOD all-conference WRs - Eddie, Gatewood, Guinn, Murray, Miller, ...... - in the last couple years). To expect them to bring in more is very reasonable.

So with the very good base already, a very good OL. It's a reload, not a rebuild. Nice to see

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:18 pm

That was a great assessment, I agree with every word of it. But lets not forget a defense that was just starting to come into its own at seasons end thisyear. I think the defense next year is going to be great! Daly replaces Mollohan - we already know how smooth that transition will be. One of the young pups (Dan Ashley or Dane Fletcher - who I've heard is an animal) to replace Marudus - this may be tough. Then we have to replace Hunter at the corner - hopefully Davis heals and/or Eddie Smith finally steps up.

Cats D next year is gonna be good, aggressive, big, mean, and did I mention CLIVE LOWE and EPIKOPO KING!

I think this will be the strength of next years team.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:21 pm

BobcatLionFan wrote:
Eastcoastgriz wrote: New QB
Quote: "There are no proven receivers who return.

Kind of sounds like a rebuilding year to me.
Let's look at the conference and if it seems reasonable Kramer can reload (because of so many returning letterment) not rebuild.

The majority of the BSC is rebuilding

EWU - Senior QB leaving and lost big WR - no replacements yet.
UM - Freshman (no) QB last year so QB is a question, lost their OL, and poor recievers (They do have Lex)
ISU senior QB leaving,
SAC senior QB leaving
PSU - Rubin leaving (their main offense) - QB will be senior next year.

NAU has the best QB returning - but on a poor team
Weber does have a Senior QB returning
I actually think Weber will be one of the top teams next year.

Given the above and MSU having a JR QB returning and an Hawaii transfer coming in already so they are not looking for a QB.
Also with one WR locked and many more to come (Remember Kramer has been very good at bringing in GOOD all-conference WRs - Eddie, Gatewood, Guinn, Murray, Miller, ...... - in the last couple years). To expect them to bring in more is very reasonable.

So with the very good base already, a very good OL. It's a reload, not a rebuild. Nice to see

I think you also have to give some credit to Bailey and Jr. Adams for helping lure WR's to MSU as well. What WR wouldn't want to play in a wide open spread type offense that Bailey runs.

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 3:44 pm

I really hope we don't we don't get seven transfer wideouts. Does Kramer not have very much confidence in our young guys? I really like our young WR's and I hope they all get a good chance.

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:43 pm

Cardiac - I agree with you. I am a fan of Bailey. When I say Kramer, he makes the final decision, but his assistants recruit the players and coach the system. I guess I use Kramer to mean the entire staff.

On bringing in 7 WRs, that was probably tough in cheek. He can't bring in that many transfers at one position (and 7 or 17 recruits) - it throws off all the other position depth charts. Probably 2 to 4 is my guess and Possibly 1 High Schoolers that will red-shirt.

I Still like Roosevelt for speed and Lulay as a possession type receiver. We'll see about Brown.

I also still look for 1 or more DL transfers.

On getting a chance. They will get chances, but will not be given anything. It will be earned.

Cat Pride · Post by **Cat Pride** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:04 pm

longhorn_22 wrote:I really hope we don't we don't get seven transfer wideouts. Does Kramer not have very much confidence in our young guys? I really like our young WR's and I hope they all get a good chance.

I am betting if that is some sort of mis-statement. Maybe Kramer meant to say he would have 7 WRs on scholarship competing for starting spots this spring.

Mark Desin
Derek Green
Micheal Brown
Tyler Lulay
UNLV transfer Wheaton
transfer
transfer

That would give 3 transfers, 1 high school kid and 7 spots. This sounds a bit more realistic to me. I bet its either a mis-quote or mis-spoken Kramer.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:13 pm

Cat Pride wrote:
longhorn_22 wrote:I really hope we don't we don't get seven transfer wideouts. Does Kramer not have very much confidence in our young guys? I really like our young WR's and I hope they all get a good chance.
I am betting if that is some sort of mis-statement. Maybe Kramer meant to say he would have 7 WRs on scholarship competing for starting spots this spring.

Mark Desin
Derek Green
Micheal Brown
Tyler Lulay
UNLV transfer Wheaton
transfer
transfer

That would give 3 transfers, 1 high school kid and 7 spots. This sounds a bit more realistic to me. I bet its either a mis-quote or mis-spoken Kramer.

Don't forget there is also a possibility that some players scholarships may not be renewed!

duelalumnicat · Post by **duelalumnicat** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:37 pm

What about WR Toby Rundle? I thought he looked good this spring?

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:28 pm

duelalumnicat wrote:What about WR Toby Rundle? I thought he looked good this spring?

I really like Rundle. I think he will be very valuable to us in the future.

coachouert · Post by **coachouert** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:20 pm

longhorn_22 wrote:
duelalumnicat wrote:What about WR Toby Rundle? I thought he looked good this spring?
I really like Rundle. I think he will be very valuable to us in the future.

I think Rundle and Van Gordon will both be good players for us. I thought they both looked pretty good in the reps they were getting during fall scrimmages.

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:37 pm

I met Van Gordon's parents, and it sounds like this kid was a great HS QB (1st team all-state in Nevada's largest league), and just a hell of an athlete, who will play whatever position the coaches tell him.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:05 pm

whitetrashgriz wrote:
Eastcoastgriz wrote:
MSUCATS wrote:I saw this in the Gt. Falls Tribune article:

Kramer says 2006 won't be a rebuilding year for his program, which has enjoyed four consecutive winning seasons.

I wonder what eastcoastgriz has to say about this one!!
From the Trib article...

The QB for the future is going to have to have poise more than power it looks like. It sounds like a Carpenter/Rolovich battle to be sure.

Quote: "There are no proven receivers who return.

"We're probably the most shallow athletically there that we've ever been and we need to attend to that in a pretty forceful way," said Kramer, who indicated he might bring in as many as seven transfer wideouts.
Kind of sounds like a rebuilding year to me.
maybe, but we dont want to say so yet. first we will talk a bunch of crap about making a run at a national championship. then we'll bash the griz for a while and tell them how much we own them. then, after a few losses in the middle of the season, we'll make excuses for whatever part of the team is playing poorly whether it be offense, defense, special teams or a combination of the three. we'll have excuses already lined up such as inexperience at qb, key losses in our defense, and poor coaching. once those get overplayed, we'll pull out the "rebuilding" card to make a final excuse for our teams poor play. did i miss anything?

You've never heard me saying any of this.

profisme · Post by **profisme** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:11 pm

BobcatLion,

The only thing I can disagree with you is the best returning QB. I was actually much more impressed with Pizarro of Weber than I was of Murietta. Murietta hasn't done anything to impress me since the lost his two amazing receivers, Johnny Marshall and Clarence Moore. Pizarro just about beat us down there at Weber with his ability to throw accurately on the run. Just thought I would add this.

083190 · Post by **083190** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:44 pm

profisme wrote:BobcatLion,

The only thing I can disagree with you is the best returning QB. I was actually much more impressed with Pizarro of Weber than I was of Murietta. Murietta hasn't done anything to impress me since the lost his two amazing receivers, Johnny Marshall and Clarence Moore. Pizarro just about beat us down there at Weber with his ability to throw accurately on the run. Just thought I would add this.

Check Pizzaro's 2nd half stats against MSU. He may not have completed a pass in the 2nd half, unless you count the 2 to the Cat db's. Murietta lead a pretty good comeback against MSU and was hurt most of the year.

profisme · Post by **profisme** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:09 pm

Murietta being injured wasn't the reason he wasn't great. Look at last season, his sophomore year. He didn't have much success then either, and if I remember correctly, we stomped him thoroughly down at NAU. His only real target the last two years was Cory Mahr who is a fine receiver (6'6"), but not nearly the caliber of Clarence Moore. I stand by my statement that the receivers made him in his frosh year, and that he isn't nearly the quality that everyone thought he would be without them.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:21 pm

profisme wrote:Murietta being injured wasn't the reason he wasn't great. Look at last season, his sophomore year. He didn't have much success then either, and if I remember correctly, we stomped him thoroughly down at NAU. His only real target the last two years was Cory Mahr who is a fine receiver (6'6"), but not nearly the caliber of Clarence Moore. I stand by my statement that the receivers made him in his frosh year, and that he isn't nearly the quality that everyone thought he would be without them.

You could relate that to Daunte Culpepper as well with Moss. Culpepper used to be able to just throw up the ball to Moss high and let him come down with it. He didn't have much other intangibles as a QB besides running after that really. As soon as Moss left he tried playing the same way and it did not work. Now Brad Johnson comes in and is playing smart/spreading the ball around and you can now see the success they are having.

BR GRIZ · Post by **BR GRIZ** » Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:35 pm

BobcatLionFan wrote:
Eastcoastgriz wrote: New QB
Quote: "There are no proven receivers who return.

Kind of sounds like a rebuilding year to me.
Let's look at the conference and if it seems reasonable Kramer can reload (because of so many returning letterment) not rebuild.

The majority of the BSC is rebuilding

EWU - Senior QB leaving and lost big WR - no replacements yet.
UM - Freshman (no) QB last year so QB is a question, lost their OL, and poor recievers (They do have Lex)
ISU senior QB leaving,
SAC senior QB leaving
PSU - Rubin leaving (their main offense) - QB will be senior next year.

NAU has the best QB returning - but on a poor team
Weber does have a Senior QB returning
I actually think Weber will be one of the top teams next year.

Given the above and MSU having a JR QB returning and an Hawaii transfer coming in already so they are not looking for a QB.
Also with one WR locked and many more to come (Remember Kramer has been very good at bringing in GOOD all-conference WRs - Eddie, Gatewood, Guinn, Murray, Miller, ...... - in the last couple years). To expect them to bring in more is very reasonable.

So with the very good base already, a very good OL. It's a reload, not a rebuild. Nice to see

As mentioned on another post, it is a question of semantics. I define a "rebuilding year" as one where, because of the loss of key players from the prior year, I don't expect this year's team to be as good overall as last year's team. I define a "reloading year" as one where, because of the returning players, I expect this year's team to be as good as or better than last year's team.

Using those definitions, I believe the 05 Cats were in a reloading year, but the 06 team will be rebuilding. Likewise, despite some of my Griz bretheren's "rhetoric" during the year to the contrary, I believe the 05 Griz team was rebuilding, but the 06 team will be reloading.

End of the year records do not change my definitions. IMO, the 05 Griz team overachieved because they won every game they should have and won some games maybe they should not. The Cats, on the other hand, IMO underachieved this year because they did not win all the games they should have.

IMO the 06 Cats will be rebuilding. If the 06 team ends up with a better record than 05, it will be because this year's team underachieved.

DaGriz · Post by **DaGriz** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:10 am

Also with one WR locked and many more to come (Remember Kramer has been very good at bringing in GOOD all-conference WRs - Eddie, Gatewood, Guinn, Murray, Miller, ...... - in the last couple years). To expect them to bring in more is very reasonable.

Were all of those WR's transfers? We have had a pretty good track record with transfer QB's but not WR's, the only one that I can think of that panned out for us and was a star was Joe Douglass from Oregon State.

MSUCATS · Post by **MSUCATS** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:33 am

whitetrashgriz wrote:
Eastcoastgriz wrote:
MSUCATS wrote:
I saw this in the Gt. Falls Tribune article:

Quote:
Kramer says 2006 won't be a rebuilding year for his program, which has enjoyed four consecutive winning seasons.

I wonder what eastcoastgriz has to say about this one!!

From the Trib article...

Quote:
The QB for the future is going to have to have poise more than power it looks like. It sounds like a Carpenter/Rolovich battle to be sure.

Quote: "There are no proven receivers who return.

"We're probably the most shallow athletically there that we've ever been and we need to attend to that in a pretty forceful way," said Kramer, who indicated he might bring in as many as seven transfer wideouts.

Kind of sounds like a rebuilding year to me.

maybe, but we dont want to say so yet. first we will talk a bunch of crap about making a run at a national championship. then we'll bash the griz for a while and tell them how much we own them. then, after a few losses in the middle of the season, we'll make excuses for whatever part of the team is playing poorly whether it be offense, defense, special teams or a combination of the three. we'll have excuses already lined up such as inexperience at qb, key losses in our defense, and poor coaching. once those get overplayed, we'll pull out the "rebuilding" card to make a final excuse for our teams poor play. did i miss anything?

You've never heard me saying any of this.

Why the denial Eastcoast? Typical Grizzly fashion... Denial denial denial.

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:44 am

DaGriz wrote:
Also with one WR locked and many more to come (Remember Kramer has been very good at bringing in GOOD all-conference WRs - Eddie, Gatewood, Guinn, Murray, Miller, ...... - in the last couple years). To expect them to bring in more is very reasonable.
Were all of those WR's transfers? We have had a pretty good track record with transfer QB's but not WR's, the only one that I can think of that panned out for us and was a star was Joe Douglass from Oregon State.

Yes, all transfers and all were all-conference at some level their senior years.