2006 Football Schedule

[CARDIAC_CATS]

The Adams State Atoms......NEEERRRRRDS

Sweet, we can beat the Grizzlies 2 times in one season again

[DaGriz]

The Adams State Atoms......NEEERRRRRDS

Sweet, we can beat the Grizzlies 2 times in one season again

And at 2-8 or 2-9 Kramer will get a contract extension because he beat the Griz twice in the same season.

[wbtfg]

The Adams State Atoms......NEEERRRRRDS

Sweet, we can beat the Grizzlies 2 times in one season again

And at 2-8 or 2-9 Kramer will get a contract extension because he beat the Griz twice in the same season.

Smack board

[BR GRIZ]

Playing lesser oponents isn't going to help you get to and win in the playoffs.
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This is where you are wrong. If we never played OSU, we would have made the playoffs. The playoff committe looks at wins first, and after that who knows!!! If we played a team that we should be able to beat, our record would have been the same as the Griz. 8-3. We would have gone to the playoffs before the Griz.

Exactly. If we would have played Fort Lewis Community Collete instead of Cal Poly OR OSU, we would have made the playoffs...

Catatac-you are stating something that does not make sense. The Cats will not travel to a DII school, so claiming they should have played Fort Lewis rather than Cal Poly or OSU is a non-issue; it could not happen. Games with Poly or OSU could only have been rescheduled with another DI opponent. If you would have scheduled Fort Lewis, you could only have done so if you did not play NDSU or SF Austin.

That's not true. All we had to do was find someone who was willing to come here and play. We could play every OOC game at home if we so choose. But, we played OSU due to the $$$ thing. We played Cal Poly because we CHOSE to honor our contractual agreement with them; unlike another team I know.

I agree that the Cats should have scheduled easier non-conference road games against DI opponents, but I disagree with the implication, whether express or implied, that the Griz "scheduled" their way to the playoffs by playing Fort Lewis.

A strength of this years Cats team was that they were 6-0 at home, all against DI opponents. A weakness of this years Griz team was that they were 5-1 at home, but only 4-1 against DI opponents because they played FT Lewis. The point of my prior post was that if both teams still played 6 home games, but if the Cats had also played FT Lewis, it hurts your argument because the Cats would have then been 6-4 against DI competition.

The Cats failed to make the playoffs this year because they were only 1-4 on the road against DI competiton, while the Griz were able to make the playoffs this year because they were 3-2 on the road against DI competition. IMO its that simple. Barechest is correct that the Cats, as well as the Griz and every other team in the nation who had a DI loss on the road, would have probably improved their record if they would have only scheduled non-conference games as home games against DII competition. In fact, the Griz original 2005 schedule did just that, but at the last minute the Griz cancelled their home game against Central Washington and instead travelled to Oregon. If the Griz would have CHOSE to honor their contractual agreement this year they would have probably been 7-2 against DI competition, rather than 7-3.

As a fan, I was dissappointed with the Griz original 2005 schedule and was glad when they rescheduled with Oregon. If the Griz had failed to make the playoffs this year because they were in the same position as the Cats with 4 DI losses, I'm sure there would have been some angry Griz fans upset because we played Oregon but I would not have been one of them. In any event, if the Griz were trying to "schedule" their way to the playoffs, it was pretty stupid of them to have played Oregon. Likewise, scheduling FT Lewis as 1 of their 6 home games, instead of a weaker DI opponent, IMO hurt the Griz rather than helped them.

IMO neither the Cats nor the Griz should schedule anything other than DI games.

[Platinumcat]

Playing lesser oponents isn't going to help you get to and win in the playoffs.
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This is where you are wrong. If we never played OSU, we would have made the playoffs. The playoff committe looks at wins first, and after that who knows!!! If we played a team that we should be able to beat, our record would have been the same as the Griz. 8-3. We would have gone to the playoffs before the Griz.

Exactly. If we would have played Fort Lewis Community Collete instead of Cal Poly OR OSU, we would have made the playoffs...

Catatac-you are stating something that does not make sense. The Cats will not travel to a DII school, so claiming they should have played Fort Lewis rather than Cal Poly or OSU is a non-issue; it could not happen. Games with Poly or OSU could only have been rescheduled with another DI opponent. If you would have scheduled Fort Lewis, you could only have done so if you did not play NDSU or SF Austin.

That's not true. All we had to do was find someone who was willing to come here and play. We could play every OOC game at home if we so choose. But, we played OSU due to the $$$ thing. We played Cal Poly because we CHOSE to honor our contractual agreement with them; unlike another team I know.

I agree that the Cats should have scheduled easier non-conference road games against DI opponents, but I disagree with the implication, whether express or implied, that the Griz "scheduled" their way to the playoffs by playing Fort Lewis.

A strength of this years Cats team was that they were 6-0 at home, all against DI opponents. A weakness of this years Griz team was that they were 5-1 at home, but only 4-1 against DI opponents because they played FT Lewis. The point of my prior post was that if both teams still played 6 home games, but if the Cats had also played FT Lewis, it hurts your argument because the Cats would have then been 6-4 against DI competition.

The Cats failed to make the playoffs this year because they were only 1-4 on the road against DI competiton, while the Griz were able to make the playoffs this year because they were 3-2 on the road against DI competition. IMO its that simple. Barechest is correct that the Cats, as well as the Griz and every other team in the nation who had a DI loss on the road, would have probably improved their record if they would have only scheduled non-conference games as home games against DII competition. In fact, the Griz original 2005 schedule did just that, but at the last minute the Griz cancelled their home game against Central Washington and instead travelled to Oregon. If the Griz would have CHOSE to honor their contractual agreement this year they would have probably been 7-2 against DI competition, rather than 7-3.

As a fan, I was dissappointed with the Griz original 2005 schedule and was glad when they rescheduled with Oregon. If the Griz had failed to make the playoffs this year because they were in the same position as the Cats with 4 DI losses, I'm sure there would have been some angry Griz fans upset because we played Oregon but I would not have been one of them. In any event, if the Griz were trying to "schedule" their way to the playoffs, it was pretty stupid of them to have played Oregon. Likewise, scheduling FT Lewis as 1 of their 6 home games, instead of a weaker DI opponent, IMO hurt the Griz rather than helped them.

IMO neither the Cats nor the Griz should schedule anything other than DI games.[/quote]

BR,
This I definitely agree with you on. If I had my way, we wouldn't play down a division. But, in talking with Kramer, it's not that easy to accomplish this goal. Reasons given include: 1) There just aren't that many D-IAA teams in the west as compared to the East. 2) Because the Bobcat athletic department is committed to hosting six games per year for their fans, we won't be able to schedule home and home contracts with other quality I-AA teams until we don't need the I-A money game or the NCAA allows for a 12th game every year. 3) Due to no.2, that leaves us with playing mid-major teams (I can't think of the one in California), or playing D-II teams.
After the conversation with Kramer, I was much more sympathetic to the whole juggling act of scheduling year in and year out.

[BobcatLionFan]

OK, Let's look at the math first.
Div-IAA teams are allowed to have 11 games I believe (not 12) most years.

The league now has 9 teams (8 games for every team) four home and four away.

That leaves 3 non conference games to schedule.

Then if you have one away game to a Div-IA school to get money.

That leaves 2 game openings on your schedule every year.

If you want to play more home games than away games every year (6 at home and 5 away) that means that the two remaining openings have to be at home. It also means you need to find teams that are willing to come to Bozeman and will not expect you to return to their home the next year.

The Dakotas were OK with it simply because they wanted to play Div I-AA opponents (after moving up to 1AA and they wanted to play Montana Schools (MSU and UM). SFA seemed OK with it also (but probably will not be in the future due to the rude welcome they received).

However you probably have to bite the bullet and say some years you will have more away games just to get a home and away series with someone.

However, for the last slot a lot of Div-IAA teams are not interested year in and year out. So it only makes sense to get a Div-IAA team that would be willing to be one of those home games. They would never expect a return game.


With 8 conference games and 1 Div-IA money game taken out of the mix and wanting only home games for the remaining two, it makes it a little more obvious what you need to schedule. If you want more home games, you need to schedule a Div-II school at home.