Swogger a Bobcat?????

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:05 pm

eguin wrote:
BozoneCat wrote:If he wants to come home so bad, why is he looking at ten other schools? Not saying he won't end up there at YSU, but clearly Youngstown has something that is holding him back from just going straight there.

Who wants to be a "Fighting" Penguin anyways?!
Timeout Here. I actully talk with the guy and you donno what you are talking about.

He is looking at 2 other schools besides YSU... MSU is one and I won't name the other but the list is less than the papers are saying.

Lets see here. He wants to win.
1. YSU
2. MSU

He wants to win a championship
1. YSU

He wants to come home and play with former teammates
1. YSU

I found out about Josh after the 3rd game for WSU he was going to transfer... And I found out YSU that day too. Unless he finds something he loves in MSU; is coming to YSU..

eguin,
You may very well have the inside track on what's going on. The other posts on this matter are actually from a Griz fan who says he knows a booster with connections to the father. So, it appears we have two people with connections to the family saying somewhat different things. Mr. Swogger must be somewhat considering MSU if he is coming for an official visit. So, I wouldn't press his jersey just yet. Also, I don't recall Youngstown doing anything special enough lately to justify saying you are in better position to win a NC over any other team. Like us this year, you both ended up a bubble team because you didn't get it done in the important games.

eguin · Post by **eguin** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:10 pm

That may be true but if you see the level of talent we got transferring and coming in from the younger classes; only 4-6 spots on defense and offense total will be played by newcomers....
YSU has the talent every year to win it all but finally they are getting coached the right way!

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:39 pm

equin, you are expressing your HOPE that he comes to YSU. You do not know the specifics like you claim. That, I am sure of.

The pin heads over at esugar.com are jumping in once again with their wet dreams trying to say that Swogger is considering the Griz now too. These idiots continue to embarrass the rank-and-file Griz fans across the nation. Hauck has about as much chance in signing Swogger as he does Matt Leinhart.

MSU has at least a 50% chance of landing Swogger, according to Stan Goode. Equin, do you know Stan? If you are such good friends with the swoggers, you will surely know him. <wink>

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:50 pm

Wolfy, you can make it seem like Griz fans are idiots, but if I remember correctly, you are a Griz fan, and probably one of biggest idiots. Many posters were referring to the article in the Spokane paper in which Swogger stated a list of schools he has had contact with, and Montana was one of those schools. No one posted that Swogger was a Griz, but only that he mentioned them as a school he has talked with. Also, if you know everything, were you not the person that said that Selle would in no way go to Montana. I am pretty sure it was you. You had it from a pretty reliable source if I remember correctly. Looks to me that you are just a tad past having any type of reliable, insightful post.

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:00 am

This is just my opinion, but I don't think that getting Swogger would be all that great of a thing and here are my reasons.....

This guy was brought in all the way from Ohio as he was chosen as Mr. Football there and he had an amazing career at Ursuline. With those accolades and a 6'5" 250 lb frame, why weren't the Big 10 schools from his backyard all over him? A moot point now, but it begs the question when his recruitment was going on several years back.

Fast forward to now. He showed some flashes of potential at WSU and then he went down with a broken foot. It would seem to me that based on that injury (which was well over a year ago) he hasn't recovered back to his potential. He was beat out last year and this year by Alex Brink, who really isn't all that great of a QB at all. WSU won 1 game in the Pac 10 this year with Brink and they were mediocre at best last year when he took over for Swogger.

When you take into consideration all that along with his size, isn't it safe to question his mobility now? Unless we find a way to rely almost exclusively on the run, I think it's safe to say that we need a QB who can run the ball when needed. Swogger, in my opinion, won't be able to do that effectively.

To his credit, he has a cannon for an arm, but that's about it. Maybe he'll be a great drop down I-AA QB, but I don't think he'd fit in all that well with the Cats if there's the slim chance he does choose us.

I'm perfectly content with seeing Coppack or Carpenter at the helm next year. Add also the potential of Desin (yes, I know he likely won't end up as a QB but you never know with him) and the possibility of Jeff Larson coming to MSU, I don't really see why Swogger would be needed. He certainly wouldn't be the missing ingredient in my opinion if he did come to MSU. In my opinion, getting Larson to the Cats is of utmost importance to recruiting right now.

doebrmn · Post by **doebrmn** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:10 am

Equin,

I don't have any information one way or another regarding where Swogger may end up, but as far as your analysis it doesn't make sense. He may want a chance to win, but I am sure if first wants a chance to play. MSU has an open spot with an open competition. Doesn't YSU have a two year starter that almost took his team to the playoffs this year. Are you sure the coaches want to start a QB controversy. If Swogger starts and has a bad game, YSU fans will be looking to the guy that got them there this year. If the incumbent starts, he will be looking over his shoulder the whole year. Sounds like a reciept for disaster. Which is also the reason Swogger will not end up at UM. With Washington, Berquist and the RS back, very unlikely they want to bring in one more person to compete, no matter how bad the Griz fans think these guys played.

More important for the Cats, let's hope the other DI QB Kramer mentioned, but not by name, is Brady Leaf. Two years of eligibility left and currently playing well for Oregon. Also, is a MT kid.

eguin · Post by **eguin** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 5:43 am

Listen up here. I went to high school with Josh and there is this little thing called a phone and an email address to communicate and I do that with Josh. I talked to him last week and even then he said he wants to explore other options but again YSU is definately the frontrunner but after talking to his dad yesterday I again say the 90s% range of him coming to YSU..

And if you guys think 50% you are smoking something; I am stunned he is even going to check you out; Richmond just a few weeks was his #2 choice...

MSU01 · Post by **MSU01** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:08 am

eguin wrote:Listen up here. I went to high school with Josh and there is this little thing called a phone and an email address to communicate and I do that with Josh. I talked to him last week and even then he said he wants to explore other options but again YSU is definately the frontrunner but after talking to his dad yesterday I again say the 90s% range of him coming to YSU..

Hey dude, this is an internet message board. The only form of communication that is valid here is fourth-hand rumors heard from your sister's co-worker's cousin's friend who knows a guy who is in Swogger's History class.

Anyway, I don't see how it's such a big deal whether or not we get a QB with only one year of eligibility left...I think Carpenter will be fine from what I've seen from him in scrimmages.

canyoncat · Post by **canyoncat** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:22 am

I honestly hope Swogger ends up at YSU. I believe Carpenter or Coppack will be pretty good. Both are more mobil than Swogger and both know the system. I think it would look pretty bad to any incoming freshman if Swogger comes in for a one year deal. I hope Kramer is able to land the Larson kid out of Cut Bank. Let him or Desin learn for a couple of years and see what happens.

Then again, I am not a coach and don't see what is going on at practice.

GO CATS!!!

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:00 am

lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:This is just my opinion, but I don't think that getting Swogger would be all that great of a thing and here are my reasons.....

This guy was brought in all the way from Ohio as he was chosen as Mr. Football there and he had an amazing career at Ursuline. With those accolades and a 6'5" 250 lb frame, why weren't the Big 10 schools from his backyard all over him? A moot point now, but it begs the question when his recruitment was going on several years back.

Fast forward to now. He showed some flashes of potential at WSU and then he went down with a broken foot. It would seem to me that based on that injury (which was well over a year ago) he hasn't recovered back to his potential. He was beat out last year and this year by Alex Brink, who really isn't all that great of a QB at all. WSU won 1 game in the Pac 10 this year with Brink and they were mediocre at best last year when he took over for Swogger.

When you take into consideration all that along with his size, isn't it safe to question his mobility now? Unless we find a way to rely almost exclusively on the run, I think it's safe to say that we need a QB who can run the ball when needed. Swogger, in my opinion, won't be able to do that effectively.

To his credit, he has a cannon for an arm, but that's about it. Maybe he'll be a great drop down I-AA QB, but I don't think he'd fit in all that well with the Cats if there's the slim chance he does choose us.

I'm perfectly content with seeing Coppack or Carpenter at the helm next year. Add also the potential of Desin (yes, I know he likely won't end up as a QB but you never know with him) and the possibility of Jeff Larson coming to MSU, I don't really see why Swogger would be needed. He certainly wouldn't be the missing ingredient in my opinion if he did come to MSU. In my opinion, getting Larson to the Cats is of utmost importance to recruiting right now.

My sentiments exactly.

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:03 am

i have not seen this kid play, but i have to agree with some other posters that i'm a little skeptical of this guy too. why didn't get a shot playing in the big 10? i have seen this before. guy is one of the best qbs in the state. guy plays for pac-10 team. guy sucks in the pac-10. guy drops down to 1-aa. guy is awul!(tt) frankly, i could care less if we get this guy for a year. i think we have a couple legit qbs, and will bring in a couple more. on a side note, i am kind of getting the vibe that this equin dude has a thing for swogger. comin' on a little strong man. no one cares how close you are to this guy. it's not like we're talking about michael jordan or tiger woods. sweet, you're tight with a 1-a drop down. good for you. you could be sleeping with the guy for all i care. we just go by what we hear on these boards. the paper said msu was on a short list of teams he was looking at, so we talked about him. i promise that no one here at the nation thinks as highly of your mesiah as you do. relax!

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:11 am

whitetrashgriz wrote:i have not seen this kid play, but i have to agree with some other posters that i'm a little skeptical of this guy too. why didn't get a shot playing in the big 10? i have seen this before. guy is one of the best qbs in the state. guy plays for pac-10 team. guy sucks in the pac-10. guy drops down to 1-aa. guy is awul!(tt) frankly, i could care less if we get this guy for a year. i think we have a couple legit qbs, and will bring in a couple more. on a side note, i am kind of getting the vibe that this equin dude has a thing for swogger. comin' on a little strong man. no one cares how close you are to this guy. it's not like we're talking about michael jordan or tiger woods. sweet, you're tight with a 1-a drop down. good for you. you could be sleeping with the guy for all i care. we just go by what we hear on these boards. the paper said msu was on a short list of teams he was looking at, so we talked about him. i promise that no one here at the nation thinks as highly of your mesiah as you do. relax!

Eguin is also conveniently not mentioning another "sordid" detail in that Swogger's wife plans on staying at WSU as well to finish her degree which will be sometime towards the end of next year. Common sense tells me that that fact might play into his decision.

If you ask me and based on his wife's time left at WSU, I wouldn't be surprised if Swogger strongly considers going 40 or so miles down the road to Cheney.

raincat · Post by **raincat** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:35 am

To me here's the wild card. The guy is married...his wife is staying at WSU to graduate. Less than an hour north of Pullman lies Cheney, Washington, home of BSC Champion EWU who is going to graduate perhaps the finest 1AA QB in the nation. The job is wide open! Unless there are curriculum problems there is a huge case to be made for him to attend Eastern. He'd be among people who know him, he can spend quality time with his wife and play in a successful program.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:39 am

Maybe by moving to Youngstown, he would finally get away from what I like to refer to as "wife talk"

Robcat · Post by **Robcat** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:39 am

EWU, makes sense to me. However he stated that he wanted to have a chance to to play in a NC game. Is EWU in that position?

Wolfman · Post by **Wolfman** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:04 pm

I don't think EWU or the Cats will be playing in a NC game next season. Sorry, dudes....just the way I see it.

Hell's Bells · Post by **Hell's Bells** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:16 pm

Wolfman wrote:I don't think EWU or the Cats will be playing in a NC game next season. Sorry, dudes....just the way I see it.

i bet he wants to stick close to wify so smart money is on ewu

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 1:23 pm

Why do the griz fans over on efriz think he will come to UM? Swogger doesn't even have them on his final 2 list. It's down to us and YSU, but I think he will will go to YSU.

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:15 pm

Longhorn, because an article in yesterday's Spokane paper stated that Swogger has talked with EWU, ISU, UM, MSU, YSU, and Richmond. I am not sure anyone said he would, more so, they have communicated with each other.

eguin · Post by **eguin** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:20 pm

I have met his wife as well and she wants him to find something that he will win and do good for himself at. He always told me he planned to come back to Ytown after college and I beleive he will come here.

I will try to hit him up by weeks end or on Sunday. but again I am in the 90s% sure he is coming even if his wife is at WSU