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I agree, and they certainly have turned the program around. However, I'd be willing to bet the players, as well as most fans, will be disappointed with no playoff victories this year.tetoncat wrote: This team should not be judged solely on a playoff run. The seniors have helped turn this program in the right direction.
yes it is a good thingCat-theotherwhitemeat wrote:I agree, and they certainly have turned the program around. However, I'd be willing to bet the players, as well as most fans, will be disappointed with no playoff victories this year.tetoncat wrote: This team should not be judged solely on a playoff run. The seniors have helped turn this program in the right direction.
Anyone? Beuller? Cat Fans?
It just goes to prove that expectations in Bozo have changed. As Martha would say....it's a good thing (Not that I watch her).
Plus you have to throw in that UM would only have 3 losses to MSU's 4. Ga Southern beat Furman this week, and Furman is still ranked 4 positions higher than Ga. Southern in the polls.anacondagriz wrote:Your assuming that this is a perfect world. Yes both teams would have 7 wins & the Cats will have beaten the Griz. BUT!!! the committee would have no responsibility to take the Cats over the Griz. Don't forget attendance seems to mean a lot in I-AA world. Also the Griz have a much better national reputation as far as the playoffs go. Not too mention the fact that the committe would probably look at the Griz wins over Cal Poly & PSU very favorably. Not saying this is fair or even that I agree with it, but I think it is the case.iaafan wrote:If MSU loses to EW and beats UM, then MSU gets in ahead of UM. Here's why, both have 7 wins vs. Div I, but since MSU beat UM, MSU gets in. EW wins autobid (Notice I didn't say MSU would get in, just that they'd get in before UM).
EWU gets the auto bid. I dont think there is any possible way for Weber to get the autobid.Scrogger wrote:Ok the what if game:
Currently:
UM 4-1
MSU 4-1
EWU 4-2
WSU 4-2
Next weeks is UM wins; EWU beats the Cats; and Weber beats PSU.
UM 5-1
MSU 4-2
EWU 5-2
WSU 5-2
Final Week: Cats over Griz:
WSU 5-2
EWU 5-2
MSU 5-2
UM 5-2
Who would get the Auto bid? and how do you decide on at-large?
This is true of all college football. Look at USC & Texas, who is to say Bama isn't better than both of them, but the other 2 started ranked higher so if they win they play for title no matter what Bama does.tetoncat wrote:What a crock of beans, Griz get ranked off of reputation not necessarily performance. I admit they have been winning, but if they had started the season where they should have based on no offense for 3 weeks (other than against that high school team) they would have been ranked from 10-20. Its easy to be at that top 5 when you start there. Plus so many other teams have been knocked off. No dominant team in the IAA this year.
EWU get the auto bid, based on beating 2 of the other 3 5-2 teams, and beating MSU head-to-head.Scrogger wrote:Ok the what if game:
Currently:
UM 4-1
MSU 4-1
EWU 4-2
WSU 4-2
Next weeks is UM wins; EWU beats the Cats; and Weber beats PSU.
UM 5-1
MSU 4-2
EWU 5-2
WSU 5-2
Final Week: Cats over Griz:
WSU 5-2
EWU 5-2
MSU 5-2
UM 5-2
Who would get the Auto bid? and how do you decide on at-large?
Also Griz would probably be ranked higher than the cats, even with a loss to them.anacondagriz wrote:Your assuming that this is a perfect world. Yes both teams would have 7 wins & the Cats will have beaten the Griz. BUT!!! the committee would have no responsibility to take the Cats over the Griz. Don't forget attendance seems to mean a lot in I-AA world. Also the Griz have a much better national reputation as far as the playoffs go. Not too mention the fact that the committe would probably look at the Griz wins over Cal Poly & PSU very favorably. Not saying this is fair or even that I agree with it, but I think it is the case.iaafan wrote:If MSU loses to EW and beats UM, then MSU gets in ahead of UM. Here's why, both have 7 wins vs. Div I, but since MSU beat UM, MSU gets in. EW wins autobid (Notice I didn't say MSU would get in, just that they'd get in before UM).
Not so fast my friends....The committee will have a hard time sneaking UM in w/o MSU noticing. They don't want to feel the heat, so if they let UM in, then they will let MSU in, too. Can you see them sweating? "Oh we'll just let UM in and make MSU stay home. They won't notice." After MSU just beat UM. The committes names are made public. Esp. if MSU wins the game decidedly. Say MSU 34, UM 13.Eastcoastgriz wrote:Also Griz would probably be ranked higher than the cats, even with a loss to them.anacondagriz wrote:Your assuming that this is a perfect world. Yes both teams would have 7 wins & the Cats will have beaten the Griz. BUT!!! the committee would have no responsibility to take the Cats over the Griz. Don't forget attendance seems to mean a lot in I-AA world. Also the Griz have a much better national reputation as far as the playoffs go. Not too mention the fact that the committe would probably look at the Griz wins over Cal Poly & PSU very favorably. Not saying this is fair or even that I agree with it, but I think it is the case.iaafan wrote:If MSU loses to EW and beats UM, then MSU gets in ahead of UM. Here's why, both have 7 wins vs. Div I, but since MSU beat UM, MSU gets in. EW wins autobid (Notice I didn't say MSU would get in, just that they'd get in before UM).
Good grief. Is Elrod included in the GPI ratings?grizbeer wrote:EWU get the auto bid, based on beating 2 of the other 3 5-2 teams, and beating MSU head-to-head.Scrogger wrote:Ok the what if game:
Currently:
UM 4-1
MSU 4-1
EWU 4-2
WSU 4-2
Next weeks is UM wins; EWU beats the Cats; and Weber beats PSU.
UM 5-1
MSU 4-2
EWU 5-2
WSU 5-2
Final Week: Cats over Griz:
WSU 5-2
EWU 5-2
MSU 5-2
UM 5-2
Who would get the Auto bid? and how do you decide on at-large?
UM gets an at-large based on an 8-3 overall record, high ranking in the polls.
Depending on what happens with other conferences I think MSU will also get an at-large based on a 7-4 record with all D-I games and a good schedule, assuming after the loss to EWU MSU stays in the top 20 in the polls (which they should).
Here is a comparison of rankings, and I think this tracks pretty closely with GPI, so it should be pretty useful for figuring out relative strength. Note that using these rankings it is hard to believe MSU would fall far with a loss to EWU, and Um shouldn't fall far with a loss to MSU.
http://www.mratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm
Note also this dilrod Elrod rankings, pretty much the definition of east coast bias (well Souther, or anti-west bias to be more accurate). Here is how he ranks some of the teams in the west:
UM #12
MSU #20
PSU #26
Cal Poly #35
NDSU #41
EWU #47
Weber State #49
UC Davis #52
At the same time here is his top 10:
#1 Appalachian State
#2 Texas State
#3 Hampton
#4 Ga Southern
#5 Furman
#6 New Hampshire
#7 UMass
#8 S Illinois
#9 Youngstown State
#10 W Kentucky
#11 W Carolina
So using his ranking, Montana would be the 5th best team in the Southern Conference, 4th best in the Gateway, and 3rd best in the A-10.
MSU would be the 6th best team in the Southern (just 1 spot ahead of Wofford, 5th in the Gateway, 5th in the A-10, 3rd in the Ivy, and 3rd in the MEAC. Basically according to this guys ranking MSU would be a bottom feeder in every other major conference.
To top it off, here is his rankings for I-A teams:
USC #5
Oregon #15
First their names are already public.iaafan wrote:
Not so fast my friends....The committee will have a hard time sneaking UM in w/o MSU noticing. They don't want to feel the heat, so if they let UM in, then they will let MSU in, too. Can you see them sweating? "Oh we'll just let UM in and make MSU stay home. They won't notice." After MSU just beat UM. The committes names are made public. Esp. if MSU wins the game decidedly. Say MSU 34, UM 13.
Also, MSU damn near beat an OSU team that was up 28-9 on the No. 2 ranked Texas Longhorns. When it's real close those kinds of things will/should be pointed out.
Isn't Pete Fields on the committee?iaafan wrote:Not so fast my friends....The committee will have a hard time sneaking UM in w/o MSU noticing. They don't want to feel the heat, so if they let UM in, then they will let MSU in, too. Can you see them sweating? "Oh we'll just let UM in and make MSU stay home. They won't notice." After MSU just beat UM. The committes names are made public. Esp. if MSU wins the game decidedly. Say MSU 34, UM 13.Eastcoastgriz wrote:Also Griz would probably be ranked higher than the cats, even with a loss to them.anacondagriz wrote:Your assuming that this is a perfect world. Yes both teams would have 7 wins & the Cats will have beaten the Griz. BUT!!! the committee would have no responsibility to take the Cats over the Griz. Don't forget attendance seems to mean a lot in I-AA world. Also the Griz have a much better national reputation as far as the playoffs go. Not too mention the fact that the committe would probably look at the Griz wins over Cal Poly & PSU very favorably. Not saying this is fair or even that I agree with it, but I think it is the case.iaafan wrote:If MSU loses to EW and beats UM, then MSU gets in ahead of UM. Here's why, both have 7 wins vs. Div I, but since MSU beat UM, MSU gets in. EW wins autobid (Notice I didn't say MSU would get in, just that they'd get in before UM).
Also, MSU damn near beat an OSU team that was up 28-9 on the No. 2 ranked Texas Longhorns. When it's real close those kinds of things will/should be pointed out.
FYI, If we finish 7-4, one of those losses would be to Okla. State, giving us 3 DI-AA losses.grizbeer wrote:Plus you have to throw in that UM would only have 3 losses to MSU's 4.
94VegasCat wrote:Are you for real? That is just a plain ol dumb paragraph! You just nailed every note in the Full Reetard sing-a-long choir!!!
Cat-theotherwhitemeat..... Is that your graduation picture?Cat-theotherwhitemeat wrote:EWU losses, they're done. If the Cats lose, do they get in with a 7-4 record (providing they beat the Griz)? I know I wouldn't feel too secure about it.
Here's a thought:
I'm going to go ahead and assume that UM beats Sac State this weekend, in effect clinching at least at large bid. If the Griz go ahead and win the conference and the autobid, it's very plausible that the Big Sky only gets one team in as all the other teams will have at least 4 losses. Both MSU and EWU will have one loss to a I-A team. Thereby, making it imperative that the Cats come away with the dubya this weekend.
So, if the Cats win this weekend, but lose to the Griz, will they get in? Hmmmmm, time to ponder.
I'll say this, if I were a Cat fan and the Cats didn't get in the playoff's and do some damage during Lulay's senior year, I'd be a little sour.
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