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DriftCat · Post by **DriftCat** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 2:59 pm

If PSU and MSU both win out, we will be in the playoffs (hopefully). If we do get in we have as good a shot as any (Lulay factor).

Catz Rock · Post by **Catz Rock** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 5:37 pm

PDXKat wrote:Sorry about earlier smack. But if we tend to business, we will be fine. What we do has nothing to do with um. Destiny is still ours to control. That said, we are a little shaky on d right now, we have to get some stops, we're not giving up the big plays but at 6-8 yards a crack it doesn't make much difference. But I do think Coach K and crew will make the neccessary adjustments. No one will stop our o except us - no problems there. All that said, we'll be fine. What makes me a bit curious is that no one is talking about psu much. They are a pretty sound ballclub that can beat the griz at home, no doubt about it. If they win out and we win out, wouldn't that be an interesting twist?

Good post

I think Born2be is getting ahead of himself. Each time I see someone making these kind of projections, the unexpected happens.
Parity rules and projections can make you look like a fool!

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:11 pm

catatac wrote:I don't think the Griz would get the nod over the Cats if both teams ended up being 8-3.

The Griz would probable be rated higher than the cats and probably would get the nod. The NCAA loves the $ and having the GRIZ in the playoff will bring in more money than any other team.

Catz Rock · Post by **Catz Rock** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:00 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote:
catatac wrote:I don't think the Griz would get the nod over the Cats if both teams ended up being 8-3.
The Griz would probable be rated higher than the cats and probably would get the nod. The NCAA loves the $ and having the GRIZ in the playoff will bring in more money than any other team.

Again, in order for the Cats to go 8-3, we need to win out.
If we win out, we get the auto bid.
Nothing trumps the auto bid, or did I miss something?

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:12 pm

The only team that gets the Auto bid if they win out is PSU

jagur1 · Post by **jagur1** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:14 pm

Oh yea and the Griz.

mavman · Post by **mavman** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:22 pm

Psu scares the hell out of me! Alot of people on AGS are picking PSU to be in the playoffs. As far as the brawl goes I said at the begining of the year that if the game was for the autobid I pick the cats, if the cats are for some reason out of the championship race i will take the Griz. So personally unlike most I hope the Brawl is not for all the marbles.

The way this year has gone both the griz and cats might lose to a team ie.sac,nau that they should not.

What a crazy year!!!!
Hear is to a healthy next four weeks for all teams ,goodluck the rest of the way!

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 10:43 pm

jagur1 wrote:I think someone from the EWU/MSU match up will not be going to the Playoffs... I also feal the same way about the EWU/Cal Poly matchup. Time will tell.

At this point, the Griz and Portland State are the only teams that control their autobid destiny as both have their only conference loss to a team with a pair of conference losses (EWU).
If Montana beats PSU, Montana State would control its autobid destiny.

Here's the scenario. Who gets the autobid if PSU / Montana / Montana State / EWU all tie with a 5-2 BSC record?

Here's the blurb from the BSC on the three way tie.
http://www.bigskyconf.com/qa_front.asp?qaid=377

Catz Rock · Post by **Catz Rock** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 11:39 pm

Catz Rock wrote:
Eastcoastgriz wrote:
catatac wrote:I don't think the Griz would get the nod over the Cats if both teams ended up being 8-3.
The Griz would probable be rated higher than the cats and probably would get the nod. The NCAA loves the $ and having the GRIZ in the playoff will bring in more money than any other team.
Again, in order for the Cats to go 8-3, we need to win out.
If we win out, we get the auto bid.
Nothing trumps the auto bid, or did I miss something?

Jagur1 wrote... "The only team that gets the Auto bid if they win out is PSU".

Not if MSU & UM are both 8-3 at the end of the season. Think about it.... the only way for that senario to happen is if MSU wins out, which would mean that UM beats PSU and loses to MSU.

Then, as I stated before, MSU would get the autobid.

But who really gives a damn at this point? We have way too much football ahead of us. Based on what's happened this year, I hate to be thinking that far ahead.

Born2BaGriz · Post by **Born2BaGriz** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 10:43 am

Catz Rock wrote:
PDXKat wrote:Sorry about earlier smack. But if we tend to business, we will be fine. What we do has nothing to do with um. Destiny is still ours to control. That said, we are a little shaky on d right now, we have to get some stops, we're not giving up the big plays but at 6-8 yards a crack it doesn't make much difference. But I do think Coach K and crew will make the neccessary adjustments. No one will stop our o except us - no problems there. All that said, we'll be fine. What makes me a bit curious is that no one is talking about psu much. They are a pretty sound ballclub that can beat the griz at home, no doubt about it. If they win out and we win out, wouldn't that be an interesting twist?
Good post
I think Born2be is getting ahead of himself. Each time I see someone making these kind of projections, the unexpected happens.
Parity rules and projections can make you look like a fool!

Believe me, I'm not overlooking PSU. But honestly, I kinda thought your defense made thier QB look like Payton Manning. However, in reflection I remember a playoff game against Western Ill in which their QB wasn't supposed to be that good, and all we had to do was stop their rushing attack. Well, the Griz got thumped and the vast majority of it came through the air. We can't afford a letdown.

I could be wrong, but I think the Griz turned a corner on this game. CB is maturing quickly and we never gave up last Saturday and won without many of our "go to" players. I think we have a good shot at winning out because we get PSU at home, and the two weaker teams away. The Brawl will be a big one. However, both NAU and Sac have the talent to pulloff upsets.

On the other hand, you guys may have had a good time for a bye and may add some injured players back into the mix. I don't see you going on a losing slide like last season but I think you have the harder schedule of the two in regards to winning out. I know you have us at home, but it is still the Brawl and you haven't been the best road team this year and you have EWU looming ahead. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see us both with just the one conference loss going into the Griz/Cat game. The reality of it is, as much as I love to dislike the Cats, a lot of Montana boys are on the team and I kinda like the thought of the title of the Big Sky coming down to two Montana teams.

PDXKat · Post by **PDXKat** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:15 am

Born2BaGriz wrote: On the other hand, you guys may have had a good time for a bye and may add some injured players back into the mix. I don't see you going on a losing slide like last season but I think you have the harder schedule of the two in regards to winning out. I know you have us at home, but it is still the Brawl and you haven't been the best road team this year and you have EWU looming ahead. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see us both with just the one conference loss going into the Griz/Cat game. The reality of it is, as much as I love to dislike the Cats, a lot of Montana boys are on the team and I kinda like the thought of the title of the Big Sky coming down to two Montana teams.

I think it's about equal. Not discounting Sac or NAU, but if either of us lose to those teams, home or away, we don't deserve any post season. We play EW on the road and you have to come play us on the road - which of those games are easier for the travel team? You have Portland at home and we get you at home - Portland is good and getting better. If Portland can stop LH, you could be for some trouble with these guys, they are as good, if not better, than the Eastern team that beat you at home two weeks ago. There are no easy paths to finish this season out. But I too, would love to see us both there with one loss in BSC. (Actually I would love it even more though if we had one loss and you guys had 4 losses - but I doubt that will happen).

profisme · Post by **profisme** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 11:17 am

If you are referring to Russ Michna as the QB who wasn't supposed to be very good, you might be thinking of the wrong guy. He was a Payton Award Finalist and as I remember, he was able to take a hit like few QB's can do and get right up again.

Sawyer Smith wasn't that good of a quarterback before we played them, but in our game he looked really good. When a team is left to scheme against the run and can't stop the run even then, the QB for the other team will be much more successful, it is a given.

As for the Brawl, it will be just that, there will be no blowout on either side. MSU will have the edge because of the home crowd.

Born2BaGriz · Post by **Born2BaGriz** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:12 pm

PDXKat wrote:
Born2BaGriz wrote: On the other hand, you guys may have had a good time for a bye and may add some injured players back into the mix. I don't see you going on a losing slide like last season but I think you have the harder schedule of the two in regards to winning out. I know you have us at home, but it is still the Brawl and you haven't been the best road team this year and you have EWU looming ahead. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see us both with just the one conference loss going into the Griz/Cat game. The reality of it is, as much as I love to dislike the Cats, a lot of Montana boys are on the team and I kinda like the thought of the title of the Big Sky coming down to two Montana teams.
I think it's about equal. Not discounting Sac or NAU, but if either of us lose to those teams, home or away, we don't deserve any post season. We play EW on the road and you have to come play us on the road - which of those games are easier for the travel team? You have Portland at home and we get you at home - Portland is good and getting better. If Portland can stop LH, you could be for some trouble with these guys, they are as good, if not better, than the Eastern team that beat you at home two weeks ago. There are no easy paths to finish this season out. But I too, would love to see us both there with one loss in BSC. (Actually I would love it even more though if we had one loss and you guys had 4 losses - but I doubt that will happen).

I have to disagree with you on the PSU thing. While they are not to be overlooked, and they are vastly improved I find it somewhat funny how Cat fans find the teams that beat them better then teams that beat us. Cal Poly is an example, they were supposed to clean our clock. There is no easy road here, but I think if you posed the question to other fans this year is they would rather face NAU,Sac, and the Griz at home with EWU on the road vs having PSU at home then finish up with NAU, Sac and the Cats away I think most would chose the latter. Also, I don't view the home field advantage as big a deal when it comes to the Brawl. And that goes for both teams, especially with Lulay in the mix. In anycase, unless both of us take care of business this week, it just won't matter as much. Lets hope we both can discuss this again next week with all the marbles still riding on it.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 12:28 pm

Born2BaGriz wrote:
PDXKat wrote:
Born2BaGriz wrote: On the other hand, you guys may have had a good time for a bye and may add some injured players back into the mix. I don't see you going on a losing slide like last season but I think you have the harder schedule of the two in regards to winning out. I know you have us at home, but it is still the Brawl and you haven't been the best road team this year and you have EWU looming ahead. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see us both with just the one conference loss going into the Griz/Cat game. The reality of it is, as much as I love to dislike the Cats, a lot of Montana boys are on the team and I kinda like the thought of the title of the Big Sky coming down to two Montana teams.
I think it's about equal. Not discounting Sac or NAU, but if either of us lose to those teams, home or away, we don't deserve any post season. We play EW on the road and you have to come play us on the road - which of those games are easier for the travel team? You have Portland at home and we get you at home - Portland is good and getting better. If Portland can stop LH, you could be for some trouble with these guys, they are as good, if not better, than the Eastern team that beat you at home two weeks ago. There are no easy paths to finish this season out. But I too, would love to see us both there with one loss in BSC. (Actually I would love it even more though if we had one loss and you guys had 4 losses - but I doubt that will happen).
I have to disagree with you on the PSU thing. While they are not to be overlooked, and they are vastly improved I find it somewhat funny how Cat fans find the teams that beat them better then teams that beat us. Cal Poly is an example, they were supposed to clean our clock. There is no easy road here, but I think if you posed the question to other fans this year is they would rather face NAU,Sac, and the Griz at home with EWU on the road vs having PSU at home then finish up with NAU, Sac and the Cats away I think most would chose the latter. Also, I don't view the home field advantage as big a deal when it comes to the Brawl. And that goes for both teams, especially with Lulay in the mix. In anycase, unless both of us take care of business this week, it just won't matter as much. Lets hope we both can discuss this again next week with all the marbles still riding on it.

I'll weigh in a little on this:
1) UM vs CPSLO - Both teams played sloppy ball. Cal Poly is a very good team. The Griz victory did surprise me; I admit it.

2) I do think with the 'Cats having EWU and UM still to play, we have the tougher schedule left in the season.

3) UM vs PSU - Your run D is solid. But, your pass D is suspect. We went in to stop the run and got beat ultimately by the pass. If they choose to pass against you like they did against us I think they'll score more then you think. And, if they hold Lex to under 150 yds, it could make for a very interesting game. I'm not saying who wins or loses. But, I think PSU is a sound team when they bring some passing into the equation.

4) Regarding that whole who loses to better teams comment: we heard the same thing from you regarding Weber when they weren't very highly regarded earlier in the season. Turns out they are a worthy opponent. We're saying PSU is a worthy opponent. After this weekend, we'll see if you agree or not.

bozbobcat · Post by **bozbobcat** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 4:20 pm

I don't know if I'll be rooting for the Grizzlies, but it would be nice if they won so that PSU is dropped a little bit. As for winning out, it seems like we have the harder road ahead. For the Griz, the entire month of November on the road could be excruiatingly tough. Either one or both could do it. Here's to Cats-Griz for the title.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:25 pm

Catz Rock wrote:
Eastcoastgriz wrote:
catatac wrote:I don't think the Griz would get the nod over the Cats if both teams ended up being 8-3.
The Griz would probable be rated higher than the cats and probably would get the nod. The NCAA loves the $ and having the GRIZ in the playoff will bring in more money than any other team.
Again, in order for the Cats to go 8-3, we need to win out.
If we win out, we get the auto bid.
Nothing trumps the auto bid, or did I miss something?

No I did, i was thinking the cats only had 2 loses.

Shakermaker · Post by **Shakermaker** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 8:59 pm

Waaaaaaay to early to think ahead... the key for us, the Griz, is a win against Portland right now.... a win would put mare pressure on MSU. PSU is the only thought a Griz player and coach, and really a fan, should have right now.

My two cents...

Love ya Griz fans!!! Ah hell, love ya Cat fans too. Great race this year.

Born2BaGriz · Post by **Born2BaGriz** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:52 am

barechestcat wrote:
Born2BaGriz wrote:
PDXKat wrote:
Born2BaGriz wrote: On the other hand, you guys may have had a good time for a bye and may add some injured players back into the mix. I don't see you going on a losing slide like last season but I think you have the harder schedule of the two in regards to winning out. I know you have us at home, but it is still the Brawl and you haven't been the best road team this year and you have EWU looming ahead. It wouldn't hurt my feelings to see us both with just the one conference loss going into the Griz/Cat game. The reality of it is, as much as I love to dislike the Cats, a lot of Montana boys are on the team and I kinda like the thought of the title of the Big Sky coming down to two Montana teams.
I think it's about equal. Not discounting Sac or NAU, but if either of us lose to those teams, home or away, we don't deserve any post season. We play EW on the road and you have to come play us on the road - which of those games are easier for the travel team? You have Portland at home and we get you at home - Portland is good and getting better. If Portland can stop LH, you could be for some trouble with these guys, they are as good, if not better, than the Eastern team that beat you at home two weeks ago. There are no easy paths to finish this season out. But I too, would love to see us both there with one loss in BSC. (Actually I would love it even more though if we had one loss and you guys had 4 losses - but I doubt that will happen).
I have to disagree with you on the PSU thing. While they are not to be overlooked, and they are vastly improved I find it somewhat funny how Cat fans find the teams that beat them better then teams that beat us. Cal Poly is an example, they were supposed to clean our clock. There is no easy road here, but I think if you posed the question to other fans this year is they would rather face NAU,Sac, and the Griz at home with EWU on the road vs having PSU at home then finish up with NAU, Sac and the Cats away I think most would chose the latter. Also, I don't view the home field advantage as big a deal when it comes to the Brawl. And that goes for both teams, especially with Lulay in the mix. In anycase, unless both of us take care of business this week, it just won't matter as much. Lets hope we both can discuss this again next week with all the marbles still riding on it.
I'll weigh in a little on this:
1) UM vs CPSLO - Both teams played sloppy ball. Cal Poly is a very good team. The Griz victory did surprise me; I admit it.

2) I do think with the 'Cats having EWU and UM still to play, we have the tougher schedule left in the season.

3) UM vs PSU - Your run D is solid. But, your pass D is suspect. We went in to stop the run and got beat ultimately by the pass. If they choose to pass against you like they did against us I think they'll score more then you think. And, if they hold Lex to under 150 yds, it could make for a very interesting game. I'm not saying who wins or loses. But, I think PSU is a sound team when they bring some passing into the equation.

4) Regarding that whole who loses to better teams comment: we heard the same thing from you regarding Weber when they weren't very highly regarded earlier in the season. Turns out they are a worthy opponent. We're saying PSU is a worthy opponent. After this weekend, we'll see if you agree or not.

1) I agree on a couple things, I'm getting ahead of things here regarding what if we win or you win , but thought it would be a fun discussion.

2) I have mentioned on how we could get burned (ex. Western Ill) by doing nothing but getting ready for the run. I don't think we will make that mistake again.

3) I think the big difference in our D is that we have a pass rush. Not trying to talk smack, but a Cat pass rush has yet to rear its head.

4) Three weeks on the road could be killer. And the trip to Flagstaff is a hard one. However, the short ride down to Bozeman isn't a big deal. Obviously the bigger issue is not having 23K+ rooting for you.

5) Weber is a good example. Truth be told if they had worked the clock a bit better, we may not be having this discussion at all because they may have beaten the Griz. Point being, we were admonished about slipping past Weber, when they were much better then people thought. The other issue is the Griz O is improving weekly. Not saying it isn't true of the Cats, but it is difficult to see how Lulay could get much better. Where as CB has huge growth potential. I think PSU will be a test, but the same was said of ISU before we headed down there. It will be a fun one to watch.

iaafan · Post by **iaafan** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:02 am

You're talking about all these stats, but the biggest difference between UM and every team in I-AA is their homefield noise. Look at UM's home record vs. road record. MSU has a nice homefield advantage, but it's nothing like UM's.

Born2BaGriz · Post by **Born2BaGriz** » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:23 am

iaafan wrote:You're talking about all these stats, but the biggest difference between UM and every team in I-AA is their homefield noise. Look at UM's home record vs. road record. MSU has a nice homefield advantage, but it's nothing like UM's.

I don't discount the noise factor. Back in the day, I was down on that field. On the sidelines way too much for my liking, but that was prior to enclosing the ends and it hurt my ears then. I have since been down on the field and the 23K get mighty loud. I just think that the Cats coming to Washington-Griz or the Griz headed to Bozeman isn't as big for either team as it is for others.