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GoCats18 wrote:I think this will greatly help our db's. I have heard things like we didn't practice tackling in practice and that the db's were coached not to look back for the ball. The announcers that did the NAU game talked about that. I never understood that. Hope this guy will not only teach these kids, but will help them and motivate them. Good hire. Now OC and DC......
The NAU announcers were quite possibly the worst I have ever heard. Just sayin.
Our secondary needs to be taught to play the receiver and be able to get their head around at the last possible second when the receiver shows he's about to attempt to make the catch.
TomCat88 wrote:HEAD COACH: Jeff Choate
Assistant Head Coach/Linebackers: Kane Ioane
Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks: TBA
Defensive Coordinator: TBA
Offensive Line: Brian Armstrong
Running Backs: Michael Pitre
Receivers: Matt Miller
Tight Ends/Recruiting Coordinator: Bo Beck
Defensive Line: Byron Hout
Secondary: Gerald Alexander
This list from MSU makes it sound like we are only looking to hire two more coaches which would give us 10, but I'm pretty sure FCS is allowed to have 11 coaches. Does anyone else have insight to this?
For some reason everyone was assuming that cornerbacks and safeties would have their own separate coach, but that the offensive coordinator wouldn't be a separate coach. That is completely bass-ackwards from the traditional hiring model. The Cats just ended up doing that last year because Cramsey is a good coach and Marshall was a lousy one. There's no particular reason to assume the Cats would do it this year when they have no particular reason to want their secondary coach to do as little coaching as possible. In all likelihood, the Cats will hire two coordinators and a QB coach, bringing their total of coaches to 11.
I'm a little uncertain why you would think they are planning to hire two coordinators and a separate QB coach when the list that you even quoted quite plainly shows 2 positions still TBA and one of them is a combo OC/QB coach.
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TomCat88 wrote:HEAD COACH: Jeff Choate
Assistant Head Coach/Linebackers: Kane Ioane
Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks: TBA
Defensive Coordinator: TBA
Offensive Line: Brian Armstrong
Running Backs: Michael Pitre
Receivers: Matt Miller
Tight Ends/Recruiting Coordinator: Bo Beck
Defensive Line: Byron Hout
Secondary: Gerald Alexander
This list from MSU makes it sound like we are only looking to hire two more coaches which would give us 10, but I'm pretty sure FCS is allowed to have 11 coaches. Does anyone else have insight to this?
For some reason everyone was assuming that cornerbacks and safeties would have their own separate coach, but that the offensive coordinator wouldn't be a separate coach. That is completely bass-ackwards from the traditional hiring model. The Cats just ended up doing that last year because Cramsey is a good coach and Marshall was a lousy one. There's no particular reason to assume the Cats would do it this year when they have no particular reason to want their secondary coach to do as little coaching as possible. In all likelihood, the Cats will hire two coordinators and a QB coach, bringing their total of coaches to 11.
I'm a little uncertain why you would think they are planning to hire two coordinators and a separate QB coach when the list that you even quoted quite plainly shows 2 positions still TBA and one of them is a combo OC/QB coach.
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Because the theory that the list is wrong makes more sense than the theory that Choate thinks ten coaches he likes are better than eleven coaches he likes.
The only other reasonable theory I can come up with is that Choate is manipulating the budget, paying more money for coaches he likes more.
"What's our job? Gettin the offense the ball! How we gonna do it? By any means necessary!"
TomCat88 wrote:HEAD COACH: Jeff Choate
Assistant Head Coach/Linebackers: Kane Ioane
Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks: TBA
Defensive Coordinator: TBA
Offensive Line: Brian Armstrong
Running Backs: Michael Pitre
Receivers: Matt Miller
Tight Ends/Recruiting Coordinator: Bo Beck
Defensive Line: Byron Hout
Secondary: Gerald Alexander
This list from MSU makes it sound like we are only looking to hire two more coaches which would give us 10, but I'm pretty sure FCS is allowed to have 11 coaches. Does anyone else have insight to this?
For some reason everyone was assuming that cornerbacks and safeties would have their own separate coach, but that the offensive coordinator wouldn't be a separate coach. That is completely bass-ackwards from the traditional hiring model. The Cats just ended up doing that last year because Cramsey is a good coach and Marshall was a lousy one. There's no particular reason to assume the Cats would do it this year when they have no particular reason to want their secondary coach to do as little coaching as possible. In all likelihood, the Cats will hire two coordinators and a QB coach, bringing their total of coaches to 11.
I'm a little uncertain why you would think they are planning to hire two coordinators and a separate QB coach when the list that you even quoted quite plainly shows 2 positions still TBA and one of them is a combo OC/QB coach.
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Because the theory that the list is wrong makes more sense than the theory that Choate thinks ten coaches he likes are better than eleven coaches he likes.
The only other reasonable theory I can come up with is that Choate is manipulating the budget, paying more money for coaches he likes more.
Or as I mentioned earlier one coach may be a grad assistant.
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GoCats18 wrote:I think this will greatly help our db's. I have heard things like we didn't practice tackling in practice and that the db's were coached not to look back for the ball. The announcers that did the NAU game talked about that. I never understood that. Hope this guy will not only teach these kids, but will help them and motivate them. Good hire. Now OC and DC......
The NAU announcers were quite possibly the worst I have ever heard. Just sayin.
Our secondary needs to be taught to play the receiver and be able to get their head around at the last possible second when the receiver shows he's about to attempt to make the catch.
I Disagree. I liked the NAU announcers. Or at least the main guy. Sure he was a little biased but it wasnt as bad as some. Talk of UM and him being mutually interested in each other now that um has demoted/let go Mick and Gurns.
TomCat88 wrote:HEAD COACH: Jeff Choate
Assistant Head Coach/Linebackers: Kane Ioane
Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks: TBA
Defensive Coordinator: TBA
Offensive Line: Brian Armstrong
Running Backs: Michael Pitre
Receivers: Matt Miller
Tight Ends/Recruiting Coordinator: Bo Beck
Defensive Line: Byron Hout
Secondary: Gerald Alexander
This list from MSU makes it sound like we are only looking to hire two more coaches which would give us 10, but I'm pretty sure FCS is allowed to have 11 coaches. Does anyone else have insight to this?
For some reason everyone was assuming that cornerbacks and safeties would have their own separate coach, but that the offensive coordinator wouldn't be a separate coach. That is completely bass-ackwards from the traditional hiring model. The Cats just ended up doing that last year because Cramsey is a good coach and Marshall was a lousy one. There's no particular reason to assume the Cats would do it this year when they have no particular reason to want their secondary coach to do as little coaching as possible. In all likelihood, the Cats will hire two coordinators and a QB coach, bringing their total of coaches to 11.
I'm a little uncertain why you would think they are planning to hire two coordinators and a separate QB coach when the list that you even quoted quite plainly shows 2 positions still TBA and one of them is a combo OC/QB coach.
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Because the theory that the list is wrong makes more sense than the theory that Choate thinks ten coaches he likes are better than eleven coaches he likes.
The only other reasonable theory I can come up with is that Choate is manipulating the budget, paying more money for coaches he likes more.
Or as I mentioned earlier one coach may be a grad assistant.
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I dont think GA's count to the 11 coaches, and they are limited on what they can do and you can only have 2, one on offense and one on defense.
I think typically the FCS has 11 coaches, (1 HC, 5 offensive 5 deffensive) then 2 GA's and a strength and conditioning coach
PlayerRep wrote:The point is not the record of the teams UM beat, it's the quality and record of the teams UM almost beat.
He has done a lot of great things with some young guys throughout the years. I'm excited to see him build up some of the young defensive players and get them out there with a guy like Alexander.
Defensive Tips: You practice tackling 3x per week Tues Weds-Thurs. None on pregame day nor Monday stretch out. 2) You run and turn and look for the ball when receiver does (must be fast enough to turn and run with receiver. 3) Man up 1x1 is like playing man defense in basketball. You play the receiver just as you would defend your man on basketball court. 4)Anticipate where the ball is being thrown (safeties). Secondary is not hard to play but the hardest to learn and make work.
Trevon Strong has a good start and will be a great corner with more experience. Need depth at these spots and guys who will HIT and tackle. Good luck Coach Alexander, you will do well as a Bobcat. Work hard, run hard, HIT hard.
I'm pretty impressed with the coaching staff Choate is putting together so far. I'm optimistic about the Miller/BSU connection. I'll reserve judgement until some results on basically their first checking jobs.
Pretty impressed with the Alexander hire.
"It was like a coordinated effort by the Missoulian and the police to bring UM Football program down..." eGriz 11/30/12
KittieKop wrote:I'm pretty impressed with the coaching staff Choate is putting together so far. I'm optimistic about the Miller/BSU connection. I'll reserve judgement until some results on basically their first checking jobs.
Pretty impressed with the Alexander hire.
He's arguably the biggest name position coach named for arguably the weakest position group of the team.
mboston33 wrote:Defensive Tips: You practice tackling 3x per week Tues Weds-Thurs. None on pregame day nor Monday stretch out. 2) You run and turn and look for the ball when receiver does (must be fast enough to turn and run with receiver. 3) Man up 1x1 is like playing man defense in basketball. You play the receiver just as you would defend your man on basketball court. 4)Anticipate where the ball is being thrown (safeties). Secondary is not hard to play but the hardest to learn and make work.
Trevon Strong has a good start and will be a great corner with more experience. Need depth at these spots and guys who will HIT and tackle. Good luck Coach Alexander, you will do well as a Bobcat. Work hard, run hard, HIT hard.
Hmmm...are you willing to be hired? What's all this practice tackling stuff? AND turning to look for the ball. Huh. I bet they never considered this technique. (Jk) agree 1000% (what's your opinion on the uniform fashion show...?)
TomCat88 wrote:HEAD COACH: Jeff Choate
Assistant Head Coach/Linebackers: Kane Ioane
Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks: TBA
Defensive Coordinator: TBA
Offensive Line: Brian Armstrong
Running Backs: Michael Pitre
Receivers: Matt Miller
Tight Ends/Recruiting Coordinator: Bo Beck
Defensive Line: Byron Hout
Secondary: Gerald Alexander
This list from MSU makes it sound like we are only looking to hire two more coaches which would give us 10, but I'm pretty sure FCS is allowed to have 11 coaches. Does anyone else have insight to this?
For some reason everyone was assuming that cornerbacks and safeties would have their own separate coach, but that the offensive coordinator wouldn't be a separate coach. That is completely bass-ackwards from the traditional hiring model. The Cats just ended up doing that last year because Cramsey is a good coach and Marshall was a lousy one. There's no particular reason to assume the Cats would do it this year when they have no particular reason to want their secondary coach to do as little coaching as possible. In all likelihood, the Cats will hire two coordinators and a QB coach, bringing their total of coaches to 11.
I'm a little uncertain why you would think they are planning to hire two coordinators and a separate QB coach when the list that you even quoted quite plainly shows 2 positions still TBA and one of them is a combo OC/QB coach.
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Because the theory that the list is wrong makes more sense than the theory that Choate thinks ten coaches he likes are better than eleven coaches he likes.
The only other reasonable theory I can come up with is that Choate is manipulating the budget, paying more money for coaches he likes more.
Or as I mentioned earlier one coach may be a grad assistant.
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I dont think GA's count to the 11 coaches, and they are limited on what they can do and you can only have 2, one on offense and one on defense.
I think typically the FCS has 11 coaches, (1 HC, 5 offensive 5 deffensive) then 2 GA's and a strength and conditioning coach
I could be completely wrong, all I am going off of is the NCAA manual definitions for coaching limits but the way it reads to me is there is no split in the types of coaches when listing the maximum number for FCS like there is for FBS.
For FBS it specifically spells out the number of each type of coach:
11.7.4 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be a limit of one head coach, nine assistant coaches
and four graduate assistant coaches who may be employed by an institution in bowl subdivision football. (Revised:
4/28/11 effective 8/1/12)
Whereas the section for FCS reads as such:
11.7.5 Championship Subdivision Football. [FCS] There shall be a limit of 11 coaches of any type
who may be employed by an institution in championship subdivision football. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92,
1/16/93, 1/9/96, 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04, 12/15/06)
“Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be—or to be indistinguishable from—self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time.” -- Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon
TomCat88 wrote:HEAD COACH: Jeff Choate
Assistant Head Coach/Linebackers: Kane Ioane
Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks: TBA
Defensive Coordinator: TBA
Offensive Line: Brian Armstrong
Running Backs: Michael Pitre
Receivers: Matt Miller
Tight Ends/Recruiting Coordinator: Bo Beck
Defensive Line: Byron Hout
Secondary: Gerald Alexander
This list from MSU makes it sound like we are only looking to hire two more coaches which would give us 10, but I'm pretty sure FCS is allowed to have 11 coaches. Does anyone else have insight to this?
For some reason everyone was assuming that cornerbacks and safeties would have their own separate coach, but that the offensive coordinator wouldn't be a separate coach. That is completely bass-ackwards from the traditional hiring model. The Cats just ended up doing that last year because Cramsey is a good coach and Marshall was a lousy one. There's no particular reason to assume the Cats would do it this year when they have no particular reason to want their secondary coach to do as little coaching as possible. In all likelihood, the Cats will hire two coordinators and a QB coach, bringing their total of coaches to 11.
I'm a little uncertain why you would think they are planning to hire two coordinators and a separate QB coach when the list that you even quoted quite plainly shows 2 positions still TBA and one of them is a combo OC/QB coach.
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Because the theory that the list is wrong makes more sense than the theory that Choate thinks ten coaches he likes are better than eleven coaches he likes.
The only other reasonable theory I can come up with is that Choate is manipulating the budget, paying more money for coaches he likes more.
Or as I mentioned earlier one coach may be a grad assistant.
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I dont think GA's count to the 11 coaches, and they are limited on what they can do and you can only have 2, one on offense and one on defense.
I think typically the FCS has 11 coaches, (1 HC, 5 offensive 5 deffensive) then 2 GA's and a strength and conditioning coach
I could be completely wrong, all I am going off of is the NCAA manual definitions for coaching limits but the way it reads to me is there is no split in the types of coaches when listing the maximum number for FCS like there is for FBS.
For FBS it specifically spells out the number of each type of coach:
11.7.4 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be a limit of one head coach, nine assistant coaches
and four graduate assistant coaches who may be employed by an institution in bowl subdivision football. (Revised:
4/28/11 effective 8/1/12)
Whereas the section for FCS reads as such:
11.7.5 Championship Subdivision Football. [FCS] There shall be a limit of 11 coaches of any type
who may be employed by an institution in championship subdivision football. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92,
1/16/93, 1/9/96, 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04, 12/15/06)
thus the use of the word "typically" in my post
PlayerRep wrote:The point is not the record of the teams UM beat, it's the quality and record of the teams UM almost beat.
TomCat88 wrote:HEAD COACH: Jeff Choate
Assistant Head Coach/Linebackers: Kane Ioane
Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks: TBA
Defensive Coordinator: TBA
Offensive Line: Brian Armstrong
Running Backs: Michael Pitre
Receivers: Matt Miller
Tight Ends/Recruiting Coordinator: Bo Beck
Defensive Line: Byron Hout
Secondary: Gerald Alexander
This list from MSU makes it sound like we are only looking to hire two more coaches which would give us 10, but I'm pretty sure FCS is allowed to have 11 coaches. Does anyone else have insight to this?
For some reason everyone was assuming that cornerbacks and safeties would have their own separate coach, but that the offensive coordinator wouldn't be a separate coach. That is completely bass-ackwards from the traditional hiring model. The Cats just ended up doing that last year because Cramsey is a good coach and Marshall was a lousy one. There's no particular reason to assume the Cats would do it this year when they have no particular reason to want their secondary coach to do as little coaching as possible. In all likelihood, the Cats will hire two coordinators and a QB coach, bringing their total of coaches to 11.
I'm a little uncertain why you would think they are planning to hire two coordinators and a separate QB coach when the list that you even quoted quite plainly shows 2 positions still TBA and one of them is a combo OC/QB coach.
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Because the theory that the list is wrong makes more sense than the theory that Choate thinks ten coaches he likes are better than eleven coaches he likes.
The only other reasonable theory I can come up with is that Choate is manipulating the budget, paying more money for coaches he likes more.
Or as I mentioned earlier one coach may be a grad assistant.
Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
I dont think GA's count to the 11 coaches, and they are limited on what they can do and you can only have 2, one on offense and one on defense.
I think typically the FCS has 11 coaches, (1 HC, 5 offensive 5 deffensive) then 2 GA's and a strength and conditioning coach
I could be completely wrong, all I am going off of is the NCAA manual definitions for coaching limits but the way it reads to me is there is no split in the types of coaches when listing the maximum number for FCS like there is for FBS.
For FBS it specifically spells out the number of each type of coach:
11.7.4 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be a limit of one head coach, nine assistant coaches
and four graduate assistant coaches who may be employed by an institution in bowl subdivision football. (Revised:
4/28/11 effective 8/1/12)
Whereas the section for FCS reads as such:
11.7.5 Championship Subdivision Football. [FCS] There shall be a limit of 11 coaches of any type
who may be employed by an institution in championship subdivision football. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92,
1/16/93, 1/9/96, 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04, 12/15/06)
thus the use of the word "typically" in my post
But my point is the way the rule reads to me the scenario you lay out would be 13 coaches, thus why I am saying is it doesn't seem correct.
Edit to add that the strength and conditioning coach does not count amongst that is spelled out separately in a subsection of those rules.
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TomCat88 wrote:HEAD COACH: Jeff Choate
Assistant Head Coach/Linebackers: Kane Ioane
Offensive Coordinator/Quarterbacks: TBA
Defensive Coordinator: TBA
Offensive Line: Brian Armstrong
Running Backs: Michael Pitre
Receivers: Matt Miller
Tight Ends/Recruiting Coordinator: Bo Beck
Defensive Line: Byron Hout
Secondary: Gerald Alexander
This list from MSU makes it sound like we are only looking to hire two more coaches which would give us 10, but I'm pretty sure FCS is allowed to have 11 coaches. Does anyone else have insight to this?
For some reason everyone was assuming that cornerbacks and safeties would have their own separate coach, but that the offensive coordinator wouldn't be a separate coach. That is completely bass-ackwards from the traditional hiring model. The Cats just ended up doing that last year because Cramsey is a good coach and Marshall was a lousy one. There's no particular reason to assume the Cats would do it this year when they have no particular reason to want their secondary coach to do as little coaching as possible. In all likelihood, the Cats will hire two coordinators and a QB coach, bringing their total of coaches to 11.
I'm a little uncertain why you would think they are planning to hire two coordinators and a separate QB coach when the list that you even quoted quite plainly shows 2 positions still TBA and one of them is a combo OC/QB coach.
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Because the theory that the list is wrong makes more sense than the theory that Choate thinks ten coaches he likes are better than eleven coaches he likes.
The only other reasonable theory I can come up with is that Choate is manipulating the budget, paying more money for coaches he likes more.
Or as I mentioned earlier one coach may be a grad assistant.
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I dont think GA's count to the 11 coaches, and they are limited on what they can do and you can only have 2, one on offense and one on defense.
I think typically the FCS has 11 coaches, (1 HC, 5 offensive 5 deffensive) then 2 GA's and a strength and conditioning coach
I could be completely wrong, all I am going off of is the NCAA manual definitions for coaching limits but the way it reads to me is there is no split in the types of coaches when listing the maximum number for FCS like there is for FBS.
For FBS it specifically spells out the number of each type of coach:
11.7.4 Bowl Subdivision Football. [FBS] There shall be a limit of one head coach, nine assistant coaches
and four graduate assistant coaches who may be employed by an institution in bowl subdivision football. (Revised:
4/28/11 effective 8/1/12)
Whereas the section for FCS reads as such:
11.7.5 Championship Subdivision Football. [FCS] There shall be a limit of 11 coaches of any type
who may be employed by an institution in championship subdivision football. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92,
1/16/93, 1/9/96, 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04, 12/15/06)
thus the use of the word "typically" in my post
But my point is the way the rule reads to me the scenario you lay out would be 13 coaches, thus why I am saying is it doesn't seem correct.
Edit to add that the strength and conditioning coach does not count amongst that is spelled out separately in a subsection of those rules.
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Pretty sure that GAs do not count against the 11, and that FCS can have 2, and yes, as I posted the strength coach doesn't count against the 11 either
PlayerRep wrote:The point is not the record of the teams UM beat, it's the quality and record of the teams UM almost beat.
