GPI Through 10/9

mulletman · Post by **mulletman** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:20 pm

Let me preface this by saying I am a football fan...meaning not an MSU fan or not a UM fan in particular. I follow both teams because its the highest level of football in the state and I come to this board and the griz board to learn whats going on with the teams but I don't post on either one because I don't have connections with either program and therefore no real good information to share myself.

Lately in particular I have found reading this board frustrating because everything has to be turned into an antigrizzly thread and I wanted to let you knw how this all sounds to an unbiased observer. The chronicle writer thread, the weber thread, this one, and more all turn to antigrizzly rants. You people do realize that the grizzly schedule is almost exactly the same as the recent bobcat schedules don't you? 1 1a team, 1 d2 team, and 2 decent 1aa teams. Most 1aa schedules look something like this, why harp on the grizzlies especially when the bobcats are the same?

And for those of you who dont realize this, ALMOST EVERY TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS plays better at home than on the road, the bobcats included. What is the bobcat road record in recent years? So what if the grizzlies do better at home than on the road...it is to be expected.

Finally, it just seems like many people here need to be constantly showered with praise in order to think they are being trated with "respect." I don't know how many times I've read about a lack of "respect" when there was no sign of this other than someone was not gushing about the bobcats. Do you need constant boosts to your self-esteem? I mean what's so bad about simply calling Montana State University by "State?" How is this a lack of respect? I've been to plenty of place where thats the common term for the state u.

This will probably make some of you guiys mad, and of course there are similar problems on the grizzly site but it just seems rampant over here these days.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:57 pm

[quote="mulletman"]I mean what's so bad about simply calling Montana State University by "State?" How is this a lack of respect? I've been to plenty of place where thats the common term for the state u. [quote]

I'll tell you why it gets MY ire up:

1) MSU has always been known as Montana State. Whenever I hear "State" I think of Michigan State, whom I have never liked (Tom Izzo is a big part of that reason).

2) When Booby Hack called us "State", It was because he said we "didn't deserve the Montana part" which really pissed me off, and was a childish and petty thing to say.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:21 pm

Mullet - did you also notice the influx of Griz fans after they beat ISU? They came over just to make us eat crow and stir the pot.

Sure some posters care more about the Griz than I'd like, but there are Griz fans in the same boat. Go look at all the Lulay talk on the Griz board. Pages and pages of arguments about him.

I think the Cats get plenty of respect, but that doesn't mean I'm going to cherish the Griz or anything of that sort.

These claims never used to bother me, but it seems I can't go a week without being accused of "Griz Envy" as you just claimed, mullet. Frankly I'm tired of hearing it.

Also a Griz fan was the first to mention the Griz in this thread.

Message to Cat fans: Some of you do talk about the Griz too much for my taste. Would you please cut that down cuz I'm sick of hearing it from guys like mullet.

profisme · Post by **profisme** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:30 pm

Good points Celtic, but I can't help but not read anything that has the word "mullet" in, around, or in any way, shape or form associated with it.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:11 pm

BozoneCat wrote: I'm calling bullsh*t on that. The griz cancelled their game against Cal Poly (in SLO) last year. They blamed it on money, but I think they saw how good Cal Poly looked to be and decided they didn't want to go down there and get beat. I'll concede that this is merely my opinion, certainly not fact. It is a fact, however, that it is not "Cal Poly's turn" to come up to Montana to play..

Shouldn't your opinion be based on at least a little shred of fact?? Have we ever lost to Cal Poly? In 2004 our OCC schedule was Maine, Hofstra, Sam Houston and North Colo. It doesn't appear we were afraid to schedule some top 25 teams? No to Cal Poly and make no money or bring in North Colo and make a boat load. I think the facts out weigh your opinion.

BozoneCat wrote:They have a good record because they have had very good teams. I wouldn't say they have played great on the road, though. Last year's team was a completely different team at home vs. on the road, more than any other team I've ever seen. That speaks volumes about what your crowd does for them at home, but doesn't speak much towards their mental toughness on the road.

Last year most would agree that we struggled the first half of the season. I don’t think it speaks at all about our mental toughness on the road. How about this year, with the exception of the GRIZ, no BSC team has won on the road. Does that speak to our toughness? I asked in my last post who plays better on the road year in and year out than the GRIZ?

coachouert · Post by **coachouert** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:16 pm

How about this year, with the exception of the GRIZ, no BSC team has won on the road.

I'm not trying to nit-pick or anything, and I may have misinterpreted what you were saying here, but the Cats did just win AT Weber this last weekend.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:21 pm

coachouert wrote:
How about this year, with the exception of the GRIZ, no BSC team has won on the road.
I'm not trying to nit-pick or anything, and I may have misinterpreted what you were saying here, but the Cats did just win AT Weber this last weekend.

My bad, over looked the ccat win.

Post by **kmax** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:24 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote:
coachouert wrote:
How about this year, with the exception of the GRIZ, no BSC team has won on the road.
I'm not trying to nit-pick or anything, and I may have misinterpreted what you were saying here, but the Cats did just win AT Weber this last weekend.
My bad, over looked the ccat win.

Eastern just won at NAU as well for the record.

coachouert · Post by **coachouert** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:25 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote:
coachouert wrote:
How about this year, with the exception of the GRIZ, no BSC team has won on the road.
I'm not trying to nit-pick or anything, and I may have misinterpreted what you were saying here, but the Cats did just win AT Weber this last weekend.
My bad, over looked the ccat win.

Not trying to rub it in, but PSU won at UC-Davis and Eastern stomped NAU at flagstaff this last weekend.

Aside from that though, it is pretty amazing that four teams have had a combined FOUR road victories from the entire conference thus far, really says a lot about the homefield advantage overall.

coachouert · Post by **coachouert** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:25 pm

kmax wrote:
Eastcoastgriz wrote:
coachouert wrote:
How about this year, with the exception of the GRIZ, no BSC team has won on the road.
I'm not trying to nit-pick or anything, and I may have misinterpreted what you were saying here, but the Cats did just win AT Weber this last weekend.
My bad, over looked the ccat win.
Eastern just won at NAU as well for the record.

You beat me to it Kmax!

Here's a link to view all the BSC records so far:
http://www.bigskyconf.com/section_front ... portid=102

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:51 pm

coachouert wrote:
kmax wrote:
Eastcoastgriz wrote:
coachouert wrote:
How about this year, with the exception of the GRIZ, no BSC team has won on the road.
I'm not trying to nit-pick or anything, and I may have misinterpreted what you were saying here, but the Cats did just win AT Weber this last weekend.
My bad, over looked the ccat win.
Eastern just won at NAU as well for the record.

You beat me to it Kmax!

Here's a link to view all the BSC records so far:
http://www.bigskyconf.com/section_front ... portid=102

Well thats what happens after a few beers and working from memory. (or lack there of)

coachouert · Post by **coachouert** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:01 pm

Well thats what happens after a few beers and working from memory. (or lack there of)

No worries, we all know that there are only two teams that actually matter in the Big Sky

No matter how you look at it, that is a pretty sorry road record for the big sky. Four wins in 23 road games thus far is pretty piss poor for an entire conference.

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:21 pm

Eastcoastgriz wrote:Shouldn't your opinion be based on at least a little shred of fact?? Have we ever lost to Cal Poly? In 2004 our OCC schedule was Maine, Hofstra, Sam Houston and North Colo. It doesn't appear we were afraid to schedule some top 25 teams? No to Cal Poly and make no money or bring in North Colo and make a boat load. I think the facts out weigh your opinion.

I believe Sam Houston was the only one of those teams that finished in the top 25. I wouldn't have a problem with that schedule, BTW, had the griz not cancelled the Cal Poly game. Screw money, the griz signed a contract and should have stuck by that, end of story. If memory serves, the brass at Cal Poly was none too pleased with the situation. Then they go right ahead and cancel another game against Central Washington this year. Seems to me a pattern is emerging. Memo to grizzly ADs: Don't sign a contract with another school if you have no intentions of standing by it!

You conveniently left out an explanation as to how it is Montana's "turn" to host the game against Poly. Funny like that.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:06 am

BozoneCat wrote:
Eastcoastgriz wrote:Shouldn't your opinion be based on at least a little shred of fact?? Have we ever lost to Cal Poly? In 2004 our OCC schedule was Maine, Hofstra, Sam Houston and North Colo. It doesn't appear we were afraid to schedule some top 25 teams? No to Cal Poly and make no money or bring in North Colo and make a boat load. I think the facts out weigh your opinion.
I believe Sam Houston was the only one of those teams that finished in the top 25. I wouldn't have a problem with that schedule, BTW, had the griz not cancelled the Cal Poly game. Screw money, the griz signed a contract and should have stuck by that, end of story. If memory serves, the brass at Cal Poly was none too pleased with the situation. Then they go right ahead and cancel another game against Central Washington this year. Seems to me a pattern is emerging. Memo to grizzly ADs: Don't sign a contract with another school if you have no intentions of standing by it!
You conveniently left out an explanation as to how it is Montana's "turn" to host the game against Poly. Funny like that.

Not Funny - you were correct, it was Cal Poly's turn to host. Must not have upset them too much as they are playing us at home this year.

So, we signed contracts with the no intentions of fulfilling them? How did you figure this one out? The AD's tell you?

Funny how you didn’t address your opinion vs. my facts regarding us playing Cal Poly. There is a team in Montana however, that is desperate to get them of their schedule. (go peak at the treads just after your Cal Poly game)

While Sam Houston may have been the only top 25 team at the end of the year, I believe all were ranked in the top 25 when they played us.

Eastcoastgriz · Post by **Eastcoastgriz** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 5:16 am

BozoneCat wrote:
Then they go right ahead and cancel another game against Central Washington this year. Seems to me a pattern is emerging.

Two games cancelled in forever. What pattern. Do you think this will affect our ability to attract games in the future? I don't. Ask a fan of any top 25 program and the vast majority will say they would love a home and home with the GRIZ. Can you honestly say that if the cats had the schedule we had and Oregon can to you for a game, that paid huge money ($400,000), you would not want your AD to drop Central Washington and pick up Oregon??

tailbone · Post by **tailbone** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 6:40 am

As of today Central Washington has a 4-2 record and leads their conference.
They received their 50,000.00 guarantee and have one less loss than they would otherwise have.
Ask them if they got a raw deal.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 7:01 am

And with former Flathead QB Michael Reilly chucking the rock all over WaGriz, they would have beaten the Griz just like Oregon did, so UM's record would be identical...

BozoneCat · Post by **BozoneCat** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:25 am

Eastcoastgriz wrote:Two games cancelled in forever. What pattern. Do you think this will affect our ability to attract games in the future? I don't. Ask a fan of any top 25 program and the vast majority will say they would love a home and home with the GRIZ. Can you honestly say that if the cats had the schedule we had and Oregon can to you for a game, that paid huge money ($400,000), you would not want your AD to drop Central Washington and pick up Oregon??

No, two games cancelled in two years. That is an emerging pattern, whether you like it or not.

No, I don't think it will affect the ability of the griz to attract future games - yet. I agree that there are NO schools that wouldn't want a home and home with the griz. Problem is, the griz don't want a home and home, they only want to play in Missoula.

The Cats probably would have done the same thing you did regarding Oregon and Central Washington. Difference is, Fields would have a little more integrity than to schedule the CWU game if he was still out looking for a I-A game to take its place.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:36 am

mulletman wrote:Let me preface this by saying I am a football fan...meaning not an MSU fan or not a UM fan in particular. I follow both teams because its the highest level of football in the state and I come to this board and the griz board to learn whats going on with the teams but I don't post on either one because I don't have connections with either program and therefore no real good information to share myself.

Lately in particular I have found reading this board frustrating because everything has to be turned into an antigrizzly thread and I wanted to let you knw how this all sounds to an unbiased observer. The chronicle writer thread, the weber thread, this one, and more all turn to antigrizzly rants. You people do realize that the grizzly schedule is almost exactly the same as the recent bobcat schedules don't you? 1 1a team, 1 d2 team, and 2 decent 1aa teams. Most 1aa schedules look something like this, why harp on the grizzlies especially when the bobcats are the same?

And for those of you who dont realize this, ALMOST EVERY TEAM IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS plays better at home than on the road, the bobcats included. What is the bobcat road record in recent years? So what if the grizzlies do better at home than on the road...it is to be expected.

Finally, it just seems like many people here need to be constantly showered with praise in order to think they are being trated with "respect." I don't know how many times I've read about a lack of "respect" when there was no sign of this other than someone was not gushing about the bobcats. Do you need constant boosts to your self-esteem? I mean what's so bad about simply calling Montana State University by "State?" How is this a lack of respect? I've been to plenty of place where thats the common term for the state u.

This will probably make some of you guiys mad, and of course there are similar problems on the grizzly site but it just seems rampant over here these days.

Anti Griz fans in here? Of course there is. The Griz are our main Rival! It is the best rivalry in the nation and most fans on here keep it respectable with the Griz fans in here. How can you have a rivalry if you don't keep it up on the fan's end of it. Do you want us to just talk about the bad economy and pat ourselves on the back about how good Lulay is? (He is really good by the way

). Cat/Griz talk adds some spice to both Bnation and Egriz boards.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Fri Oct 14, 2005 9:48 am

mullet,

Go over to egriz, count up the # of Cat-related posts STARTED by griz fans, as well as the # of threads that start as Griz items but the Cats end up being dragged into it...

Maybe you might want to reassess your position that it's worse over here.

A few examples for you:

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10731

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10721

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10728

This last one I'll offer is hysterical; it starts out with the sports network prediction for EWU/Griz, and 2 posts later, it's all about the Cats/PSU!

http://www.egriz.com/GrizBoard/viewtopic.php?t=10693

My point, mullet? Both sides are guilty of the same shiznit; you're fooling yourself (& trying to fool us) if you think it's any different or better west of the divide...