Realignment

[GoldstoneCat]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

Yep, the good ones went to NFL and made millions, others got an education if they wanted, and good training, food, great facilities. Coaches salaries got out of control I agree. We will see in 10 or so years if this went right direction or or too far in terms of impacts to other sports and all levels. We talk about not being able to keep coaches at MSU because we can't pay enough but are actively trying to pay all athletes. Is all of this sustainable

All really good questions. I don't know how it's sustained, across all sports, at our level. Way above my level of understanding on the subject.

[BelligerentBobcat]

I’m just not sure moving up is worth the money. Plus, we’d be a mid level team at best. Stadium won’t be full for that.

[catscat]

Couple questions. How much NIL will be required to get the players required to be competitive and can it be raised? What's the impact on recruiting Montana players?

[MTnative]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

[GoldstoneCat]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

You're entitled to your opinion. I just think you're wrong. "Entitled generation" implies you think it is, in fact, the players' fault. Take your degree and concussions and be quiet, boys, while everyone else in the system gets filthy rich.

[tetoncat]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

You're entitled to your opinion. I just think you're wrong. "Entitled generation" implies you think it is, in fact, the players' fault. Take your degree and concussions and be quiet, boys, while everyone else in the system gets filthy rich.

They don't have to play

[onceacat]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

Yep, the good ones went to NFL and made millions, others got an education if they wanted, and good training, food, great facilities. Coaches salaries got out of control I agree. We will see in 10 or so years if this went right direction or or too far in terms of impacts to other sports and all levels. We talk about not being able to keep coaches at MSU because we can't pay enough but are actively trying to pay all athletes. Is all of this sustainable

Coaches salaries? Of course. But also ADs. And the TV stations. Anouncers. ESPN & the networks. EA Sports. Everyone at the NCAA.

A LOT of people got really rich off the backs of teenage kids.

REALLY REALLY REALLY rich.

BTW, it's totally the wrong direction. I hate what it's done to college football. But it's 100% the fault of the NCAA, not the kids who are finally getting paid a fair wage for the product they are producing.

(BTW, $100k in education isn't even remotely close to fair market value when a completely unproven G5 coach like Jeff Choate is making $1m+/year)

Its 100% bad for the game, but its certainly fair for the guys who are blowing out knees & suffering long term brain damage for our entertainment.

[onceacat]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

You're entitled to your opinion. I just think you're wrong. "Entitled generation" implies you think it is, in fact, the players' fault. Take your degree and concussions and be quiet, boys, while everyone else in the system gets filthy rich.

They don't have to play

Of course not. Jeff Choate doesn't 'have' to make $1m/year to coach, either.

What a stupid comment. (and I try not to make comments like that, but why on earth would a kid agree to work for free so Jeff Choate & Leon Costello and Brent Vinen-all dudes I like & respect- get filthy rich off their work?)

[grizzh8r]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

You're entitled to your opinion. I just think you're wrong. "Entitled generation" implies you think it is, in fact, the players' fault. Take your degree and concussions and be quiet, boys, while everyone else in the system gets filthy rich.

There is quite a bit of truth to the "entitled generation" statement, however. The fact that politicians have successfully bought votes by promising to forgive student loan debt is a reflection of this.

[tetoncat]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

You're entitled to your opinion. I just think you're wrong. "Entitled generation" implies you think it is, in fact, the players' fault. Take your degree and concussions and be quiet, boys, while everyone else in the system gets filthy rich.

They don't have to play

Of course not. Jeff Choate doesn't 'have' to make $1m/year to coach, either.

What a stupid comment. (and I try not to make comments like that, but why on earth would a kid agree to work for free so Jeff Choate & Leon Costello and Brent Vinen-all dudes I like & respect- get filthy rich off their work?)

Good Ole Bobcat Nation. Disagree with you so the comment is stupid. Coaches choose a profession. Many make very little till they finally get their chance. Way more rich athletes these days than coaches and support people. Athletes choose to play. For some it was a way to help pay for college, others loved the game. And to top it off the little schools get to help pay lawsuits. If there is so much money in it why are the programs all begging for donations all the time

[onceacat]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

You should educate yourself just a little bit before you make asinine comments.

Football players aren't compensated by the university. They are compensated for "Name, Image, and Likeness". The entire current situation came from a set of cases where the NCAA used players likeness to make money while not compensating the players for the use of their 'Name, Image, and Likeness'.

What the SCOTUS case did was treat college football and basketball players with the EXACT same legal status as the other 330m people in the US, with exclusive rights to monetize their "Name Image and Likeness".

The idea that people would lose their God given rights as Americans simply becasue they elected to play college football or basketball is pretty shocking.

The plaintiffs (the athletes) won their court in front of a judge then the decision was upheld by the Court of Appeals, then a bitterly divided SCOTUS decided the case by a 9-0 margin.

This isn't even remotely close. The NCAA lost the argument you are making unanimously 3 separate time, include 9-0 at the Supreme Court.

Its really weird you are hanging onto such a clearly wrong idea this long.

[onceacat]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

You're entitled to your opinion. I just think you're wrong. "Entitled generation" implies you think it is, in fact, the players' fault. Take your degree and concussions and be quiet, boys, while everyone else in the system gets filthy rich.

They don't have to play

Of course not. Jeff Choate doesn't 'have' to make $1m/year to coach, either.

What a stupid comment. (and I try not to make comments like that, but why on earth would a kid agree to work for free so Jeff Choate & Leon Costello and Brent Vinen-all dudes I like & respect- get filthy rich off their work?)

Good Ole Bobcat Nation. Disagree with you so the comment is stupid. Coaches choose a profession. Many make very little till they finally get their chance. Way more rich athletes these days than coaches and support people. Athletes choose to play. For some it was a way to help pay for college, others loved the game. And to top it off the little schools get to help pay lawsuits. If there is so much money in it why are the programs all begging for donations all the time

The comment is stupid because the NCAA lost that argument in front of a district judge, then in front of the Court of Appeals, then in a 9-0 deduction from the Supreme Court.

Maybe calling it 'stupid' is a bit unfair, but '100% completely wrong in every conceivable way from a legal perspective' would be a better way to phrase it.

Regardless, its not remotely controversial among people that went to Law School the day they taught Law.

[MTnative]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

You should educate yourself just a little bit before you make asinine comments.

Football players aren't compensated by the university. They are compensated for "Name, Image, and Likeness". The entire current situation came from a set of cases where the NCAA used players likeness to make money while not compensating the players for the use of their 'Name, Image, and Likeness'.

What the SCOTUS case did was treat college football and basketball players with the EXACT same legal status as the other 330m people in the US, with exclusive rights to monetize their "Name Image and Likeness".

The idea that people would lose their God given rights as Americans simply becasue they elected to play college football or basketball is pretty shocking.

The plaintiffs (the athletes) won their court in front of a judge then the decision was upheld by the Court of Appeals, then a bitterly divided SCOTUS decided the case by a 9-0 margin.

This isn't even remotely close. The NCAA lost the argument you are making unanimously 3 separate time, include 9-0 at the Supreme Court.

Its really weird you are hanging onto such a clearly wrong idea this long.

Maybe we should just agree on everything then. To hell with intellectual thought that comes from different experiences.

I disagree with you. And that’s all. Figure out how to disagree without saying someone is wrong. That’s what is fundamentally wrong with everything we try to talk about anymore.

[onceacat]

"I disagree with you. And that’s all. Figure out how to disagree without saying someone is wrong. That’s what is fundamentally wrong with everything we try to talk about anymore."

No, you disagree with every single judge in every single court that heard the case. Thats a bit different. I'm wrong about all sorts of things. And courts can be wrong, which is why when decisions are really difficult, you see a lot of courts with split decisions.

But if you think the district court that hear this PLUS the appeals court PLUS the 9-0 decision at SCOTUS are a matter of opinion...

I dont really know what to tell you.

Legally speaking, issues arent any clearer than this. Maybe you think the law should be changed & the 10,000 or so NCAA athletes should be subject to a different set of rules than the other 350 million Americans. And thats fine. You should ask Senator Tester or Senator Daines to propose a law to take basic human rights away from college athletes. Thats a matter where I would 'respectfully disagree.' Which is fine.

But absent Congress passing a law to treat college athletes differently than the rest of us, you are flat out wrong.

And that's all.

[GoldstoneCat]

TV contracts and NIL have absolutely ruined the pageantry of college football. FCS was an awesome niche in college sports that will die by ten thousand paper cuts.

Take a bow Mark Emmert and company.

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

You're entitled to your opinion. I just think you're wrong. "Entitled generation" implies you think it is, in fact, the players' fault. Take your degree and concussions and be quiet, boys, while everyone else in the system gets filthy rich.

They don't have to play

Of course not. Jeff Choate doesn't 'have' to make $1m/year to coach, either.

What a stupid comment. (and I try not to make comments like that, but why on earth would a kid agree to work for free so Jeff Choate & Leon Costello and Brent Vinen-all dudes I like & respect- get filthy rich off their work?)

Good Ole Bobcat Nation. Disagree with you so the comment is stupid. Coaches choose a profession. Many make very little till they finally get their chance. Way more rich athletes these days than coaches and support people. Athletes choose to play. For some it was a way to help pay for college, others loved the game. And to top it off the little schools get to help pay lawsuits. If there is so much money in it why are the programs all begging for donations all the time

Didn't say it was stupid. Said I think you're wrong. Or "disagreed" as you put it. Objectively you can't argue that gobs, heaps, mountains of money have been made through the years on the backs of these kids. Yes, some have gotten an education that set them up for a career. Great. Do you think all or even most athletic departments are invested in those kids' success? Just keep em eligible. We have to fundraise because the industry says we need facilities! We need an NIL collective because we don't have the donor base the big guys have! And on and on. That's the argument for moving up. Get to a level where there's more money coming in. Obviously. I just think you're wrong that these guys should be happy to get a scholarship to college and some food when they're putting their bodies on the line so you and I can have a more enjoyable Saturday.

[Utcatsfan]

Back to the topic at hand we need to move up, we should be doing everything with UM to present an attractive package for the MWC, and frankly I think we'd fit in and compete well in the Conference.

[tetoncat]

Not sure if it's fair to blame the NCAA for NIL, they tried their best to prevent it for decades until the courts got involved and started ruling against them.

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

You're entitled to your opinion. I just think you're wrong. "Entitled generation" implies you think it is, in fact, the players' fault. Take your degree and concussions and be quiet, boys, while everyone else in the system gets filthy rich.

They don't have to play

Of course not. Jeff Choate doesn't 'have' to make $1m/year to coach, either.

What a stupid comment. (and I try not to make comments like that, but why on earth would a kid agree to work for free so Jeff Choate & Leon Costello and Brent Vinen-all dudes I like & respect- get filthy rich off their work?)

Good Ole Bobcat Nation. Disagree with you so the comment is stupid. Coaches choose a profession. Many make very little till they finally get their chance. Way more rich athletes these days than coaches and support people. Athletes choose to play. For some it was a way to help pay for college, others loved the game. And to top it off the little schools get to help pay lawsuits. If there is so much money in it why are the programs all begging for donations all the time

Didn't say it was stupid. Said I think you're wrong. Or "disagreed" as you put it. Objectively you can't argue that gobs, heaps, mountains of money have been made through the years on the backs of these kids. Yes, some have gotten an education that set them up for a career. Great. Do you think all or even most athletic departments are invested in those kids' success? Just keep em eligible. We have to fundraise because the industry says we need facilities! We need an NIL collective because we don't have the donor base the big guys have! And on and on. That's the argument for moving up. Get to a level where there's more money coming in. Obviously. I just think you're wrong that these guys should be happy to get a scholarship to college and some food when they're putting their bodies on the line so you and I can have a more enjoyable Saturday.

Post I responded too said Stupid comment.
I enjoy NAIA Football in MT as well, kids putting their bodies on line, high school football also. Where does it stop. I think 10% of programs or less make the money that caused the problem.
NIL is fine, but here is a car since you signed with us is hardly NIL. I think Cats NIL is great, shirts, events, ADs, etc. You don't have to disagree with the decision to not like the outcome. And we should be able to state our thoughts without being shouted down for those being different than other posters. But I guess I'm just stupid and asinine.

[Prodigal Cat]

Mountain West might lose a 5th team

[Bobcat Sig]

Mountain West might lose a 5th team

Makes sense; they can now compete in the same conference as Army and Navy. Geography, less so, but if realignment is teaching us anything right now, it's that regional alignment means little anymore.

[GoldstoneCat]

The NCAA rolled over and allowed it to happen.

But yes, the blame isn’t just a function of bad executive leadership. This is cultural, it is the result of an entitled generation that found footing in the legal system to secure financial gain.

For the record, I am and will remain strongly against anybody in the FCS as it currently is moving up to FBS.

Its really hard to fault football players as 'entitled' when the NCAA, coaches, ADs, staff, EA sports, announcers, ESPN, and everyone else was getting rich off them & they were getting peanuts.

A cultural expectation that a man gets paid fairly for his work has now become 'entitlment'?

Weird.

To be clear, the NCAA fought tooth and nail on this. It took a Supreme Court decision to recognize that people have a right to be paid for doing their job.

Agreed. The fact that the NCAA fought these kids for years, instead of getting together with their bowls, their conferences, their TV partners, and their advertisers to put in place a system to make the athletes who were generating all that wealth a part of the system, that's where the blame lies. When you have to live with a system the courts were forced to implement because of the aforementioned parties' insatiable greed, and live with it after the fact, you get something that looks like what we have today, this ad-hoc NIL wild west combined with the ability to basically be free agents, or even mercenaries if you prefer, at all times. Greed is to blame here, to the extent there needs to be blame, but to say it's the players' fault is a bad, bad take, I agree onceacat.

It isn’t the players fault. The NCAA and legal system just rationalized the legal claim by stating that athletes are “employees.” Nobody forced the courts to do anything. That isn’t how the legal system works.

STUDENT athletes are not employees. They are stewards of the university’s programs. And their scholarships are the “compensation.”

It isn’t a “bad take,” it’s an opinion. Spare me the “you’re wrong because I’m right” patronizing bullcrap.

You're entitled to your opinion. I just think you're wrong. "Entitled generation" implies you think it is, in fact, the players' fault. Take your degree and concussions and be quiet, boys, while everyone else in the system gets filthy rich.

They don't have to play

Of course not. Jeff Choate doesn't 'have' to make $1m/year to coach, either.

What a stupid comment. (and I try not to make comments like that, but why on earth would a kid agree to work for free so Jeff Choate & Leon Costello and Brent Vinen-all dudes I like & respect- get filthy rich off their work?)

Good Ole Bobcat Nation. Disagree with you so the comment is stupid. Coaches choose a profession. Many make very little till they finally get their chance. Way more rich athletes these days than coaches and support people. Athletes choose to play. For some it was a way to help pay for college, others loved the game. And to top it off the little schools get to help pay lawsuits. If there is so much money in it why are the programs all begging for donations all the time

Didn't say it was stupid. Said I think you're wrong. Or "disagreed" as you put it. Objectively you can't argue that gobs, heaps, mountains of money have been made through the years on the backs of these kids. Yes, some have gotten an education that set them up for a career. Great. Do you think all or even most athletic departments are invested in those kids' success? Just keep em eligible. We have to fundraise because the industry says we need facilities! We need an NIL collective because we don't have the donor base the big guys have! And on and on. That's the argument for moving up. Get to a level where there's more money coming in. Obviously. I just think you're wrong that these guys should be happy to get a scholarship to college and some food when they're putting their bodies on the line so you and I can have a more enjoyable Saturday.

Post I responded too said Stupid comment.
I enjoy NAIA Football in MT as well, kids putting their bodies on line, high school football also. Where does it stop. I think 10% of programs or less make the money that caused the problem.
NIL is fine, but here is a car since you signed with us is hardly NIL. I think Cats NIL is great, shirts, events, ADs, etc. You don't have to disagree with the decision to not like the outcome. And we should be able to state our thoughts without being shouted down for those being different than other posters. But I guess I'm just stupid and asinine.

No shouting here. Just disagreeing with you. Arguing 2 sides of an issue pertinent to MSU football.