No Re-entry

[GoodTimesAllTheTime]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Holy cow. Are you an ostrich with your head buried in the sand. Why do you think you see the players looking at the crowd and raising their arms on big downs. Why does the quarterback do the opposite with his arms when we have a big play. The noise makes a difference.

Well hold on, the players believing it makes a difference is not the same thing as it actually making a difference. Players wear a ton of eye black, even though there’s no benefit to that either. Coaches make wrong decisions all the time, they aren’t like chess robots. Look at the 49ers in the Super Bowl making the plainly wrong choice in overtime.

[allcat]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Holy cow. Are you an ostrich with your head buried in the sand. Why do you think you see the players looking at the crowd and raising their arms on big downs. Why does the quarterback do the opposite with his arms when we have a big play. The noise makes a difference.

Well hold on, the players believing it makes a difference is not the same thing as it actually making a difference. Players wear a ton of eye black, even though there’s no benefit to that either. Coaches make wrong decisions all the time, they aren’t like chess robots. Look at the 49ers in the Super Bowl making the plainly wrong choice in overtime.

You just ignore everything your lying eyes or lying ears tell you. You just go with feelings, nothing more than feelings.

[ilovethecats]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Holy cow. Are you an ostrich with your head buried in the sand. Why do you think you see the players looking at the crowd and raising their arms on big downs. Why does the quarterback do the opposite with his arms when we have a big play. The noise makes a difference.

Well hold on, the players believing it makes a difference is not the same thing as it actually making a difference. Players wear a ton of eye black, even though there’s no benefit to that either. Coaches make wrong decisions all the time, they aren’t like chess robots. Look at the 49ers in the Super Bowl making the plainly wrong choice in overtime.

You just ignore everything your lying eyes or lying ears tell you. You just go with feelings, nothing more than feelings.

I think many of us are talking about two different things here allcat. Of COURSE players feed off the crowd. That's why homefield advantage is a thing. I think where some of us aren't eye to eye with this is that some are of the belief that the quantity of fans is most important, while people like myself maintain that it's the "quality" of the fans that are there. And I don't mean that as a put down.

I assume almost all of us go to the games. Many of us season ticket holders. We all know our section inside and out. We all know that all fans aren't the same. I'm in 104 and I can picture almost all in the section. I could easily pick out 30+ people in the area surrounding me that really wouldn't make a difference if they didn't come back to their seats! It won't change the noise or energy one iota because they don't bring that. And that's ok! We all like watching the game in our own way. But other than cosmetically the empty chairs, nothing else changes in that section. I'd assume that's the case in all of the sections.

I think MSU should get a decibel meter on the scoreboard. They're fun anyway, but it would be awesome to see the difference in noise when the game first started and how much of a dropoff if any to start the 3rd quarter. At the very least, for those of us in our seats in the 3rd quarter, it'd act as a competition and maybe even the quiet, sit-downers in my section would make a little more noise to match that of the start of the game.

That's all I was saying in this little back and forth we have going. I don't think of this as a big deal because I'm of the belief that those of us in our seats in the 3rd are generally the ones we want there and the ones that bring the noise and energy. Think a decibel reader would really shed some light as I maintain a couple of those playoff games in freezing weather with far less fans brought some of the most noise and best energy I have seen over the years.

[HelenaCat95]

It begs the question - which is louder. 14,000 screaming fans. Or 22,000 fans, 14k of which are screaming and 8k just sitting there absorbing the sound. hmmmm.

[ilovethecats]

It begs the question - which is louder. 14,000 screaming fans. Or 22,000 fans, 14k of which are screaming and 8k just sitting there absorbing the sound. hmmmm.

Exactly

[cat-o-nine]

Look, a simple and practical approach in a crucial and challenging game like this would be to see who wins the toss. If Idaho wins and defers (a foregone conclusion), those of us who feel the need to can head out to the tailgates and get a refresher. But, PLEASE, consider doing it in an expedient manner. Pound a beer, complain about the refs and/or the play calling with your buddies or whatever, use the can and hustle back in before the second half kickoff. It's doable for nearly all of us.
And if the Cats win the toss and defer, I would suggest doing the same thing. I'm sure Tommy and the boys, given a choice, would want you there to watch and encourage them as they attempt to matriculate down the field. If it is important to them, it should be important to us.
Just a thought.
Go CATS!!!

[GoodTimesAllTheTime]

We have provided multiple forms of evidence that the 3Q is unaffected by crowds coming in slow from halftime. I don't give a damn what Eck said about the subject, it quite objectively does not matter. Coaches say BS ALL THE TIME.

Also, ECK HASN'T COACHED HERE SINCE WE BEAT SDSU IN THE SEMIS. Do you remember how that game went? We didn't allow a second half score!!!!

Or is he referencing when SDSU came to town in 2017? Ya know, 7 whole years ago. Or is he referencing when he coached for us in 2015, two head coaches ago in a mediocre year? Ya know, 9 goddamn years ago.

I'm not gonna lie, I have no idea what the hell Eck is talking about. He has never been here as a head coach, didn't score a point after halftime the last time he was here as an OC, or is referencing games from when half our players were in middle school under different head coaching regimes in down years. Sure Jason, whatever you say man

Holy cow. Are you an ostrich with your head buried in the sand. Why do you think you see the players looking at the crowd and raising their arms on big downs. Why does the quarterback do the opposite with his arms when we have a big play. The noise makes a difference.

Well hold on, the players believing it makes a difference is not the same thing as it actually making a difference. Players wear a ton of eye black, even though there’s no benefit to that either. Coaches make wrong decisions all the time, they aren’t like chess robots. Look at the 49ers in the Super Bowl making the plainly wrong choice in overtime.

You just ignore everything your lying eyes or lying ears tell you. You just go with feelings, nothing more than feelings.

Isn’t that exactly what you’re doing? People have presented evidence that statistically there’s no difference between the start of the 3rd quarter or any other time regarding opponent drive success. Do you believe in superstition too? That your lucky undies help the Cats win? Get real.

[tetoncat]

At some point we all need to grow up enough to understand that we can’t control other people’s actions. A few posters on here want to lock people in and force them to act the way that they deem appropriate. Our OP keeps mentioning that 10 minutes of beer time with friends is a cheap sacrifice. Well maybe his beer is flat and his friends are lame. My ten minutes is worth the hike. I enjoy getting up and moving around at half. I’ll do it cause I can and don’t care what anyone, including Eck and Vigen, think about it.

Are you saying having no reentry is locking fans up and controlling them? So 80% of stadiums are doing that. Is having to go through security and bag checks control. Should be first come gets seats, why do they make us get tickets.

[Camo_Cat]

I'm just here to see how many pages we can get this thread to....

[tetoncat]

It begs the question - which is louder. 14,000 screaming fans. Or 22,000 fans, 14k of which are screaming and 8k just sitting there absorbing the sound. hmmmm.

Exactly

Guarantee some of those 8,000 would get caught up in the moment and join the 14,000 in some form of noise making

[ilovethecats]

It begs the question - which is louder. 14,000 screaming fans. Or 22,000 fans, 14k of which are screaming and 8k just sitting there absorbing the sound. hmmmm.

Exactly

Guarantee some of those 8,000 would get caught up in the moment and join the 14,000 in some form of noise making

And that would be perfect!

[tetoncat]

I'm just here to see how many pages we can get this thread to....

We're working on it

[kmax]

As others have said this isn't something that people are going to agree on here. I get it, it's the way we do. What I do find funny is that people act like this is a god given right. I have been to a lot of sporting events across college and pro sports at a lot of different venues in my life. I can literally count on one hand (and still have fingers left over) the number that allow people to leave and re-enter the venue. Like I said, I get it it is what has always been done here but to act like keeping people in the stadium all game is this crazy thing or that you should have a right to do this has always been comical to me.

Autzen/Reser/Husky Stadium/Bobcat Stadium/WashGriz

All allow re-entry, or at least did with the last five years as I have been to games at each stadium in that span.

Haven't been to Autzen or Reser so I looked them up. Both no longer allow it, found an article looks like Reser just cut it off last year. I have been to Husky Stadium and will be honest that I did not realize they allowed it and from their policies does look like the still do so I can add one finger back to that count thanks!.

[kmax]

As others have said this isn't something that people are going to agree on here. I get it, it's the way we do. What I do find funny is that people act like this is a god given right. I have been to a lot of sporting events across college and pro sports at a lot of different venues in my life. I can literally count on one hand (and still have fingers left over) the number that allow people to leave and re-enter the venue. Like I said, I get it it is what has always been done here but to act like keeping people in the stadium all game is this crazy thing or that you should have a right to do this has always been comical to me.

On the hands counting non-re-entry, how many allowed beer at your seat. All?

First I can't count all the ones that don't allow re-entry as it really is the vast majority so pretty tough to quantify that question. Second, beer/alcohol being served in college stadiums at all really is a fairly recent development. 10-15 (maybe 15-20, I'm getting old) years ago or so it really just wasn't a common thing and I remember the articles starting to come out about larger schools as they started to introduce this. Lastly, I do hope that people realize that one of the reasons (definitely not the only) for limiting alcohol to the beer garden and restricting taking it back to seats here IS the re-entry policy.

[BelgradeBobcat]

As others have said this isn't something that people are going to agree on here. I get it, it's the way we do. What I do find funny is that people act like this is a god given right. I have been to a lot of sporting events across college and pro sports at a lot of different venues in my life. I can literally count on one hand (and still have fingers left over) the number that allow people to leave and re-enter the venue. Like I said, I get it it is what has always been done here but to act like keeping people in the stadium all game is this crazy thing or that you should have a right to do this has always been comical to me.

On the hands counting non-re-entry, how many allowed beer at your seat. All?

First I can't count all the ones that don't allow re-entry as it really is the vast majority so pretty tough to quantify that question. Second, beer/alcohol being served in college stadiums at all really is a fairly recent development. 10-15 (maybe 15-20, I'm getting old) years ago or so it really just wasn't a common thing and I remember the articles starting to come out about larger schools as they started to introduce this. Lastly, I do hope that people realize that one of the reasons (definitely not the only) for limiting alcohol to the beer garden and restricting taking it back to seats here IS the re-entry policy.

Last time I was at an Idaho State game previous to this season (maybe 2016?) they let us leave and reenter. This year no reentry was allowed-except access to their beer garden where we could buy a maximum of 2 drinks and bring them back to our seats. So yeah-things can and probably will change. If MSU ever does close re-entry it won't be because of the crowd noise in the 3rd quarter it will be for security reasons. It kinda surprises me we go through the metal detectors and get checked and then can do it again at halftime and with just a hand stamp. After halftime the checkers do not seem nearly as vigilant. I'm guessing we're one incident away from re-entry ending altogether. So enjoy it while it lasts.

[RKMCMT]

As others have said this isn't something that people are going to agree on here. I get it, it's the way we do. What I do find funny is that people act like this is a god given right. I have been to a lot of sporting events across college and pro sports at a lot of different venues in my life. I can literally count on one hand (and still have fingers left over) the number that allow people to leave and re-enter the venue. Like I said, I get it it is what has always been done here but to act like keeping people in the stadium all game is this crazy thing or that you should have a right to do this has always been comical to me.

On the hands counting non-re-entry, how many allowed beer at your seat. All?

First I can't count all the ones that don't allow re-entry as it really is the vast majority so pretty tough to quantify that question. Second, beer/alcohol being served in college stadiums at all really is a fairly recent development. 10-15 (maybe 15-20, I'm getting old) years ago or so it really just wasn't a common thing and I remember the articles starting to come out about larger schools as they started to introduce this. Lastly, I do hope that people realize that one of the reasons (definitely not the only) for limiting alcohol to the beer garden and restricting taking it back to seats here IS the re-entry policy.

I always figured there were NCAA restrictions.

[MSUBOBCAT4LIFE]

Never fails. I have a tailgate, go out at half, and make it back before the kick off, and I don’t give two ****** if some people don’t. It’s their choice and they are usually the ones spending a lot of their money on MSU athletics, so yeah let’s implement that rule.

This. Tickets are expensive. Hotels are expensive. Tailgating spots are expensive. Gas is expensive. If people are willing to incur these costs to go to a game, they are sure as hell entitled to be ten minutes late from halftime.

I’m guessing most that don’t want re-entry don’t have a tailgate or group to go to so they just think all should not be able to. It’s childish. Advantage or not you don’t control peoples decisions with whining.

[Lord Vigo]

At some point we all need to grow up enough to understand that we can’t control other people’s actions. A few posters on here want to lock people in and force them to act the way that they deem appropriate. Our OP keeps mentioning that 10 minutes of beer time with friends is a cheap sacrifice. Well maybe his beer is flat and his friends are lame. My ten minutes is worth the hike. I enjoy getting up and moving around at half. I’ll do it cause I can and don’t care what anyone, including Eck and Vigen, think about it.

Are you saying having no reentry is locking fans up and controlling them? So 80% of stadiums are doing that. Is having to go through security and bag checks control. Should be first come gets seats, why do they make us get tickets.

Yes-- no re-entry is locking fans in and controlling their behavior. And yes-- lots of programs do that. Yes-- there are other means of control, like you mentioned. It's not a moral issue, but there's no denying that it's a control on behavior/choices.

The question in my mind is whether there's a compelling reason to add this control.

Some people believe there is because they want everyone in their seats for Q3 and the loss of freedom to re-enter is worth it to them for the sake of that dynamic. Most programs that don't allow re-entry, I would imagine, are compelled by the desire to sell more alcohol and concessions inside the stadium.

Others, like myself, would argue otherwise-- you can encourage fans to make it back on time without restricting re-entry and most fans do make it back on time when the game is actually competitive. I also note that MSU hasn't lost at home in the regular season in like 5 years and others have pointed out that opposing scoring in Q3 is basically identical to Q1.

So I don't see the reason why we should make the fan experience more expensive and less enjoyable for lots of fans. The other side of the ledger doesn't pencil out for me.

[Lord Vigo]

Never fails. I have a tailgate, go out at half, and make it back before the kick off, and I don’t give two ****** if some people don’t. It’s their choice and they are usually the ones spending a lot of their money on MSU athletics, so yeah let’s implement that rule.

This. Tickets are expensive. Hotels are expensive. Tailgating spots are expensive. Gas is expensive. If people are willing to incur these costs to go to a game, they are sure as hell entitled to be ten minutes late from halftime.

I’m guessing most that don’t want re-entry don’t have a tailgate or group to go to so they just think all should not be able to. It’s childish. Advantage or not you don’t control peoples decisions with whining.

You're probably right. However, I'll just say for myself that I don't tailgate and I never leave at halftime and I still want re-entry.

Halftime in the Kibby Dome last year was a mess. You had to walk in a massive herd, crowded in with other people. The lines for everything were way too long. It stunk. Basically, it wasn't worth it to even leave your seat. If you wanted concessions or the bathroom, it was better to miss some of the game and go at another time.

Why would we want to create that same dynamic in Bozeman? For what?

[RKMCMT]

Vigen's interview this week also touched on wanting the stands full and loud all game. Although he was probably more talking about people bailing on the 2nd half entirely during blowouts.