Depth chart is done

[BleedingBLue]

It took until game week for this place to start going full ​. Not bad. In the old days it was pretty much all the time.

When Tom88 starts getting sarcastic, you know it's time to start mocking schools like EWU or NAU for starting all those freshmen quarterbacks through the years! You know it just doesn't work! Have to give kids time to develop, ya know?

You mean Adams and Cookus? Thats 1 for each team. Gubrud was a RS sophomore when he started. Bo Levi Mitchell was a junior. Matt Nichols started as a RS freshman and was bad that year. Erik Meyer started as a RS sophomore. Yeah we had Mcghee and Lulay and were very fortunate but it isn't the norm. That's my point. Bauman is most likely the QB of the future but we shouldn't expect he'll be ready as a true freshman.

[PapaG]

MSU will do well to win 2-3 games this year tbh. I’m surprised Choate didn’t re-vamp the whole offense around Bauman. He’s the only legit QB in the group. LB is ugly. If you’re only as strong as your weakest link, then the D is in rough shape.

I'll bet you $100 MSU wins 4 games or more. Way to take a crap on the two starting QBs. Put some money behind your mouth, TomCat?

I don't understand why people are freaking out now when it's been obvious all along Jonsen was going to be in the mix, and since mid-fall camp Andersen was going to be playing at lot of QB. They wouldn't have kept Troy at QB all camp if he wasn't going to be the/a starting QB. They'd have moved him back to RB/LB.

[Cat Grad]

MSU will do well to win 2-3 games this year tbh. I’m surprised Choate didn’t re-vamp the whole offense around Bauman. He’s the only legit QB in the group. LB is ugly. If you’re only as strong as your weakest link, then the D is in rough shape.

I'll bet you $100 MSU wins 4 games or more. Way to take a crap on the two starting QBs. Put some money behind your mouth, TomCat?

I don't understand why people are freaking out now when it's been obvious all along Jonsen was going to be in the mix, and since mid-fall camp Andersen was going to be playing at lot of QB. They wouldn't have kept Troy at QB all camp if he wasn't going to be the/a starting QB. They'd have moved him back to RB/LB.

You really can't see that he's being sarcastic?

[Buckaroo Bonzi]

MSU will do well to win 2-3 games this year tbh. I’m surprised Choate didn’t re-vamp the whole offense around Bauman. He’s the only legit QB in the group. LB is ugly. If you’re only as strong as your weakest link, then the D is in rough shape.

I'll bet you $100 MSU wins 4 games or more. Way to take a crap on the two starting QBs. Put some money behind your mouth, TomCat?

I don't understand why people are freaking out now when it's been obvious all along Jonsen was going to be in the mix, and since mid-fall camp Andersen was going to be playing at lot of QB. They wouldn't have kept Troy at QB all camp if he wasn't going to be the/a starting QB. They'd have moved him back to RB/LB.

I’ll bet a hundred that’s Tom being full blown facetious . Troy without a penny on, brings more to the QB position than
a lot of people think. We will be more than fine .

[hokeyfine]

I dunno..... TA is recruited as a linebacker, does pretty good there. Thrust into emergency rb, does pretty good there(freshman of the year). Thrust into emergency qb competition, wins the battle. Has he failed yet?
TA is a once in a blue moon player. It will be fun to bump this thread in a couple of years

[Catsrgrood]

R. E. L. A. X. BobcatNation... damn

We’ll find out soon enough how much playing time each guy guy gets and if they can hold their own at this level. And even if whoever it is isn’t a world beater game 1... gasp.... let’s maybe give them 2-3 games before jumping to any conclusions. If someone isn’t cutting it it’ll be on to the next guy. I think the qb position is in a good place to get someone else in there if one guy isn’t cutting it.

There is a lot of talent on this team, they’re better and/or more experienced at almost every position. The team will be fine. I’m about as big of a fan as anyone but I can tell you I’m not losing sleep over any of this. By the sounds of some posts here it seems like some people are.
Just sit back, support the team, enjoy the process of this team being built and the program being revitalized and enjoy some football.

[Helcat72]

R. E. L. A. X. BobcatNation... damn

We’ll find out soon enough how much playing time each guy guy gets and if they can hold their own at this level. And even if whoever it is isn’t a world beater game 1... gasp.... let’s maybe give them 2-3 games before jumping to any conclusions. If someone isn’t cutting it it’ll be on to the next guy. I think the qb position is in a good place to get someone else in there if one guy isn’t cutting it.

There is a lot of talent on this team, they’re better and/or more experienced at almost every position. The team will be fine. I’m about as big of a fan as anyone but I can tell you I’m not losing sleep over any of this. By the sounds of some posts here it seems like some people are.
Just sit back, support the team, enjoy the process of this team being built and the program being revitalized and enjoy some football.

[Helcat72]

I’m pretty sure Jack Rolovich, Cory Carpenter, and Kody Kempt would be a 1a in this lineup. Am I the only one who is frustrated that we seemingly have made little progress at the qb position since Choate arrived? I hope To be proven wrong.

My thoughts on a former RB/LB starting the next year at QB: where in the hell have you ever seen that happen in a Division 1 football program? Never. It never happens for a reason. I'm sorry, but unless the Cats go option, I cannot see it being successful in a whole season and to think otherwise is to be delusional or that Andersen is a Golden God! Maybe he is, but ask me in late October but I don't think this will work....

MSU will do well to win 2-3 games this year tbh. I’m surprised Choate didn’t re-vamp the whole offense around Bauman. He’s the only legit QB in the group. LB is ugly. If you’re only as strong as your weakest link, then the D is in rough shape.

Yea, I agree Tom, if we can't sustain a drive on offense with a great passing attack, the defense is bound to fall apart by the second half.

Boy, Tom, you command a lot of weight on this board! One little "tongue in cheek" comment and several of these guys are losing their sh%&#t!

[superbobcat]

Coach Choate has stated he likes to recruit quarterbacks because of their athleticism and game knowledge and move them around. I'm shocked at how many negative Nellie's there are out there about this. It is not like TA has never played the position before. I will hold to the fact that his leadership,intelligence, and work ethic are just as important in making this decision as how hard he throws the ball. I am thrilled to think a homegrown MT KID may lead us for the next few years. If you don't like it beat him out. He could start 5+ positions IMO. That is the kind of player I want taking the snap, because he gets the game and handles himself the right way. Can't wait for GOLD RUSH, THAT IS IF MY TICKETS SHOW UP!!

[Darth Yoda]

I'll bet $100 Tom was trying to troll out posters to see who would actually agree with him. I'm dumbfounded there are actual real humans in existence in this world that took the bait. Wow.

Anyway, Troy has something special that has been proven to be effective in that past, and Cole has a proven ability to coach this approach. It's pretty simple folks. Take a deep breath and put down the crack pipe for a minute.

When a defense believes the QB has the ability to score with his feet from pretty much any place on the field in pretty much any situation, they MUST respect it. They MUST stop the run first. The LBs will watch and lean slightly more than normal, and the DEs with keep their heads up and on a swivel on most neutral/short down and distance plays. The Safeties will be anticipating angles slightly different than with a normal QB because they know in a blink of an eye, the big #15 will be at their level and already in high gear. Troy has the ability to change the nature of a defense, even if it is just a tiny bit.

Now what does this all mean you ask? Good question. Here's the answer. With Bob Cole's help, Troy will absolutely be able to connect with our WRs through the air by making a quick (and correct) reads on a basic RPO. Our WRs will find enough space and Troy will confidently hit them. Lynch's "knock" as a potential draft pick was they he could only make the first read. That's a narrow view of reality (although the NFL isn't wrong either, but this is college were talking about). You only need the first read because if it's not there, Troy will be 7 yards down field before anybody knew what happened.

This is what we all get the privilege of watching on Thursday folks. Enjoy.

[RobertCats]

Another interesting thing is the fact that Callahan O'Reily is backup at Mike, played QB last year and moved to LB in the spring. It may be because he is the last Man standing after some injuries but it caught my eye. Thought Hardy might crack the depth chart but I understand he is raw.

[PapaG]

I'll bet $100 Tom was trying to troll out posters to see who would actually agree with him. I'm dumbfounded there are actual real humans in existence in this world that took the bait. Wow.

So Tom trolled the thread by posting a sarcastic straw man solely to draw out posters with that view so people could argue with them. He did so by mentioning Bauman, specifically, because of why? You’re probably correct in you take, I just don’t find it clever trolling. This makes you “dumbfounded” that I may think he was being serious.

OK, that kind of makes it worse for both of you. Tom could just say he’s trolling and that’s fine with me. I haven’t been on here much lately so perhaps it’s a running goof? An inside joke about Bauman or those who like him at QB?

I can’t wait to see what Andersen can do at QB, by the way, especially with Cole as his position coach.

[allcat]

If Travis' foot was 100%, I think he's the starter. This gets both guys on the field, sometimes Troy is an Rb and sometimes Travis is a WR. They are doing their best to put the playmakers on the field.

[RickRund]

R. E. L. A. X. BobcatNation... damn

We’ll find out soon enough how much playing time each guy guy gets and if they can hold their own at this level. And even if whoever it is isn’t a world beater game 1... gasp.... let’s maybe give them 2-3 games before jumping to any conclusions. If someone isn’t cutting it it’ll be on to the next guy. I think the qb position is in a good place to get someone else in there if one guy isn’t cutting it.

There is a lot of talent on this team, they’re better and/or more experienced at almost every position. The team will be fine. I’m about as big of a fan as anyone but I can tell you I’m not losing sleep over any of this. By the sounds of some posts here it seems like some people are.
Just sit back, support the team, enjoy the process of this team being built and the program being revitalized and enjoy some football.

Yes!!!!!!

[cats2506]

Just my thoughts on this whole QB debacle.

I have not seen any practices in the spring or this fall, so my opinions are based on what I read and see here on BN.

QB is such a unique position, I have always felt one of the biggest factors was the ability to consistently make good decisions and act of them all in a fraction of a second. Arm talent and mobility go a long way but the mental aspect is much more important. I don't want to throw Murray under the bus but one of my biggest problems with him was his hesitation in passing situations, often resulting in a late thrown balls or a scramble with a missed completion opportunity.

I believe TA has those mental abilitys and the coaches picked him as the safe bet. I also believe that TA is not the long term QB solution, He has great value in other positions.

It sounds like TJ is a serviceable but has health issues (foot) and may not be able to go a full game at this point. TR sounds like his is coming along but wasn't able to take the competition away from the rest this fall. CB has great potential but needs more time to learn the system.

Using the shotgun method, one of the 4 should be a hit and have what it takes to play the position at a high level. Until the bullets start flying we don't really know which one it is and TA is the safest bet for consistency and good decisions.

Now a little more about TA, as Choate said, how do teams play us? they stack the box and want to make us throw the ball. How do teams play an inexperienced QB? they blitz them, what happens when you blitz an highly mobile QB, he burns you with his legs. If TA is at all a better passer than Murray (It sounds like he is) and if he makes quicker better decisions ( I think he will) then he is a big problem for defenses.

Those long runs that Lasain and Murray had last year are purely results of teams stacking the box and playing man on our receivers, that opportunity for be big run play will still be there with TA in at QB. MSU's power run game will still churn out yards and control the ball. TA will hit enough passes ontime to keep the LB's on their heels for the fraction of a second needed. Ball security as always is going to be key, I think TA will do a good job of protecting the ball (decision making).

I am excited to see this team play a top level opponent and think our coaches have done a good job of finding solutions to the problems presented to them with this team.

[Buckaroo Bonzi]

Just my thoughts on this whole QB debacle.

I have not seen any practices in the spring or this fall, so my opinions are based on what I read and see here on BN.

QB is such a unique position, I have always felt one of the biggest factors was the ability to consistently make good decisions and act of them all in a fraction of a second. Arm talent and mobility go a long way but the mental aspect is much more important. I don't want to throw Murray under the bus but one of my biggest problems with him was his hesitation in passing situations, often resulting in a late thrown balls or a scramble with a missed completion opportunity.

I believe TA has those mental abilitys and the coaches picked him as the safe bet. I also believe that TA is not the long term QB solution, He has great value in other positions.

It sounds like TJ is a serviceable but has health issues (foot) and may not be able to go a full game at this point. TR sounds like his is coming along but wasn't able to take the competition away from the rest this fall. CB has great potential but needs more time to learn the system.

Using the shotgun method, one of the 4 should be a hit and have what it takes to play the position at a high level. Until the bullets start flying we don't really know which one it is and TA is the safest bet for consistency and good decisions.

Now a little more about TA, as Choate said, how do teams play us? they stack the box and want to make us throw the ball. How do teams play an inexperienced QB? they blitz them, what happens when you blitz an highly mobile QB, he burns you with his legs. If TA is at all a better passer than Murray (It sounds like he is) and if he makes quicker better decisions ( I think he will) then he is a big problem for defenses.

Those long runs that Lasain and Murray had last year are purely results of teams stacking the box and playing man on our receivers, that opportunity for be big run play will still be there with TA in at QB. MSU's power run game will still churn out yards and control the ball. TA will hit enough passes ontime to keep the LB's on their heels for the fraction of a second needed. Ball security as always is going to be key, I think TA will do a good job of protecting the ball (decision making).

I am excited to see this team play a top level opponent and think our coaches have done a good job of finding solutions to the problems presented to them with this team.

I think you pretty much nailed it , the other thing I noticed at the Scrimages , was TA had a good command of the Up Tempo
Offense, that alone will put defense's on there heels , make the Offense hard to contend with.

[bobcatfan123]

Another interesting thing is the fact that Callahan O'Reily is backup at Mike, played QB last year and moved to LB in the spring. It may be because he is the last Man standing after some injuries but it caught my eye. Thought Hardy might crack the depth chart but I understand he is raw.

I thought that too as many expected Hardy to be in contention for a starting spot. Will be interesting to see how he progresses throughout the season.

[VimSince03]

Another interesting thing is the fact that Callahan O'Reily is backup at Mike, played QB last year and moved to LB in the spring. It may be because he is the last Man standing after some injuries but it caught my eye. Thought Hardy might crack the depth chart but I understand he is raw.

I thought that too as many expected Hardy to be in contention for a starting spot. Will be interesting to see how he progresses throughout the season.

Hardy doesn't play MLB. They would eventually like to see him as a Buck or Sam.

[bobcat99]

Another interesting thing is the fact that Callahan O'Reily is backup at Mike, played QB last year and moved to LB in the spring. It may be because he is the last Man standing after some injuries but it caught my eye. Thought Hardy might crack the depth chart but I understand he is raw.

I thought that too as many expected Hardy to be in contention for a starting spot. Will be interesting to see how he progresses throughout the season.

I always thought Hardy could use a RS year.

[wbtfg]

Another interesting thing is the fact that Callahan O'Reily is backup at Mike, played QB last year and moved to LB in the spring. It may be because he is the last Man standing after some injuries but it caught my eye. Thought Hardy might crack the depth chart but I understand he is raw.

I thought that too as many expected Hardy to be in contention for a starting spot. Will be interesting to see how he progresses throughout the season.

He's really raw and athletic. It will be interesting to see if he redshirts or not. I think he could be a great special teams guy, but I don't foresee him making the defensive depth chart this season.