Colorado CB John Walker -- grad transfer to MSU

[Montanabob]

I'd expect this at a high school or D2 school, not at MSU.
I guess there is a Griz booster in that department.

[wbtfg]

I'd expect this at a high school or D2 school, not at MSU.
I guess there is a Griz booster in that department.

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Or a professor whose main focus is on academics and scholarly pursuits.

Also, I see his undergraduate degree is in sociology and he's looking to pursue a masters in criminology. And unless Im missing it, I don't see that MSU offers graduate degrees in either of those disciplines.

[91catAlum]

I'd expect this at a high school or D2 school, not at MSU.
I guess there is a Griz booster in that department.

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Or a professor whose main focus is on academics and scholarly pursuits .

How would this affect Walker's decision? Ya lost me there.

[wbtfg]

It was a response to the statement about the professor being a Grizz booster.


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[MSU01]

I'd expect this at a high school or D2 school, not at MSU.
I guess there is a Griz booster in that department.

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Or a professor whose main focus is on academics and scholarly pursuits .

How would this affect Walker's decision? Ya lost me there.

When you apply to go to a school for an undergraduate degree, you generally go through the admissions department and don't really have any contact with professors or the academic side of things until you start taking classes. It's a bit different in grad school, where you are going to interact with professors right away since there's more research involved that might need to be discussed during the application/admission process. My guess is that's where the perceived problem occurred, and not that MSU's admissions office dropped the ball or all went on vacation at the same time. It's too bad but MSU will find someone else.

[JDoub]

This could be the most significant loss of the spring, our secondary could've used his experience on the field and with the younger guys.

I'm interested in our secondary coach - love his passion, experience and drive. Hoping that translates to his players, if it does we could see a huge one year turn-around that we've been wanting to see.


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[Cataholic]

Walker said he ran out of patience at Montana State, where his grad school contact was out of the country and difficult to communicate with.

“It was starting be too much,” Walker said of the process at Montana State. “I needed to know where I’m going. Guys were heading to join their teams already, and I was still at home.”

http://millersports.areavoices.com/2016 ... -colorado/

Wow. If this is true, somebody in the admissions office should be looking for a new job. At a minimum, somebody should have been handling this case if the person responsible was traveling.

I don't think this an admissions decision, I think it's an academic advisor/dean decision. Graduate admission is a totally different ballgame than undergrad


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I'm not sure you are correct. I have an MBA and my only interaction was with admissions until being accepted. Also, you do t necessarily need a bachelor's degree in the same discipline as the masters degree you are pursuing. For example, there were engineers pursuing an MBA with me. You may be required to have a number of prerequisites and also pass an admissions test to enter that program. The same applies for a law degree. Maybe it is different for other disciplines, but at a minimum, admissions should be involved every step of the way. Business can't stop because somebody is away.

[iaafan]

I'm willing to take his word for it and this doesn't sit well with me. He's a really good student and player who got away because someone couldn't match his standards. He became who he is, in part, by being organized and assertive. Seeing MSU wasn't matching his level of commitment, he decided to look elsewhere because MSU turned out to not be a good fit. This is a black eye for MSU. They didn't just lose a good football player, but a great student as well. Hopefully this is brought to the attention of the administration because you can't have these kinds of things happening, ever, if your goal is to be successful.

[Hawks86]

I'm willing to take his word for it and this doesn't sit well with me. He's a really good student and player who got away because someone couldn't match his standards. He became who he is, in part, by being organized and assertive. Seeing MSU wasn't matching his level of commitment, he decided to look elsewhere because MSU turned out to not be a good fit. This is a black eye for MSU. They didn't just lose a good football player, but a great student as well. Hopefully this is brought to the attention of the administration because you can't have these kinds of things happening, ever, if your goal is to be successful.

If it wasn't a good fit. Why is it a black eye for MSU? Sucks it didn't work, but it matters very little in the grand scheme of things.

[iaafan]

It wasn't a good fit because MSU couldn't match his standards, which don't seem out of line. That a quality student chose MSU over other schools to get a masters degree only to have MSU not be organized enough to bring him in is a black eye. It isn't that difficult to process a student into a school. It reeks of "Oh he's just another dumb jock getting a free ride, so he can wait."

[Hawks86]

Carroll didn't seem to have any problems at all. Maybe there is a little truth to previous statements .

[wbtfg]

It wasn't a good fit because MSU couldn't match his standards, which don't seem out of line. That a quality student chose MSU over other schools to get a masters degree only to have MSU not be organized enough to bring him in is a black eye. It isn't that difficult to process a student into a school. It reeks of "Oh he's just another dumb jock getting a free ride, so he can wait."

Do we know what he was planning to pursue? One article I read said criminology. I'm not seeing where MSU offers a Master's degree in Criminology.

http://www.montana.edu/gradschool/programs.html

[wbtfg]

Walker said he ran out of patience at Montana State, where his grad school contact was out of the country and difficult to communicate with.

“It was starting be too much,” Walker said of the process at Montana State. “I needed to know where I’m going. Guys were heading to join their teams already, and I was still at home.”

http://millersports.areavoices.com/2016 ... -colorado/

Wow. If this is true, somebody in the admissions office should be looking for a new job. At a minimum, somebody should have been handling this case if the person responsible was traveling.

I don't think this an admissions decision, I think it's an academic advisor/dean decision. Graduate admission is a totally different ballgame than undergrad


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I'm not sure you are correct. I have an MBA and my only interaction was with admissions until being accepted. Also, you do t necessarily need a bachelor's degree in the same discipline as the masters degree you are pursuing. For example, there were engineers pursuing an MBA with me. You may be required to have a number of prerequisites and also pass an admissions test to enter that program. The same applies for a law degree. Maybe it is different for other disciplines, but at a minimum, admissions should be involved every step of the way. Business can't stop because somebody is away.

I am well aware that you can study anything and be admitted to grad school, however it depends on the graduate program. Programs like MBA, Med School, Law, PT, PA Counseling, etc have a larger number of students who go through as a cohort and are generally admitted through the admissions office. Other programs, especially those in the hard sciences are grant funded and lab based so only have funding and staffing for one or two grad students so it's very much up to the professor administering the program on who he/she admits to the program.

As for Walker, I'm not sure what program he was planning on entering at MSU. One article said criminology. I don't see where MSU offers a master's in criminology, and I don't really see anything close to that on the list of available Master's programs available. What program do you think he was planning on enrolling?

http://www.montana.edu/gradschool/programs.html

[Cataholic]

Walker said he ran out of patience at Montana State, where his grad school contact was out of the country and difficult to communicate with.

“It was starting be too much,” Walker said of the process at Montana State. “I needed to know where I’m going. Guys were heading to join their teams already, and I was still at home.”

http://millersports.areavoices.com/2016 ... -colorado/

Wow. If this is true, somebody in the admissions office should be looking for a new job. At a minimum, somebody should have been handling this case if the person responsible was traveling.

I don't think this an admissions decision, I think it's an academic advisor/dean decision. Graduate admission is a totally different ballgame than undergrad


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I'm not sure you are correct. I have an MBA and my only interaction was with admissions until being accepted. Also, you do t necessarily need a bachelor's degree in the same discipline as the masters degree you are pursuing. For example, there were engineers pursuing an MBA with me. You may be required to have a number of prerequisites and also pass an admissions test to enter that program. The same applies for a law degree. Maybe it is different for other disciplines, but at a minimum, admissions should be involved every step of the way. Business can't stop because somebody is away.

I am well aware that you can study anything and be admitted to grad school, however it depends on the graduate program. Programs like MBA, Med School, Law, PT, PA Counseling, etc have a larger number of students who go through as a cohort and are generally admitted through the admissions office. Other programs, especially those in the hard sciences are grant funded and lab based so only have funding and staffing for one or two grad students so it's very much up to the professor administering the program on who he/she admits to the program.

As for Walker, I'm not sure what program he was planning on entering at MSU. One article said criminology. I don't see where MSU offers a master's in criminology, and I don't really see anything close to that on the list of available Master's programs available. What program do you think he was planning on enrolling?

http://www.montana.edu/gradschool/programs.html

It sounds like we are both right to some degree. I am not sure what Masters he was pursuing but it would seem that Education or Public Administration might fit well with his undergrad. Regardless, admissions should be working with the student to progress the application, and that applies to whether he is an athlete or a non-athlete. I agree with iaa, this is a black eye to the school. Not a black eye to the athletic department, but somebody in administration / faculty staff dropped the ball. Very disappointing.

[SonomaCat]

There's also a pretty good chance that the guy simply chose to go to North Dakota instead (maybe after learning about how they offer more money than MSU and maybe even because they offer graduate degrees that he wanted that MSU doesn't offer), and rather than just say that point blank (which would make him sound bad) he threw MSU under the bus by making it sound like MSU wasn't being responsive at all when maybe there were some communication delays but most likely nothing that would have truly prevented him from attending MSU. Maybe. It's possible.

[Hawks86]

The Bobcats also previously expected Colorado graduate transfer cornerback John Walker to join the team, but he was not admitted to graduate school at MSU and is now reportedly headed to North Dakota.

http://www.bozemandailychronicle.com/bl ... ign=buffer

[Hawks86]

https://twitter.com/SiouxFootball/status/747949969114431488

https://twitter.com/1jboog

[VimSince03]

Well...safe to say we will need a confirmation on this. I'm assuming this is what one of the "Boom's" was about. But are the coaches allowed to re-boom and old boom if that boom had boomed to another program? These are the hard questions.

[TomCat88]

Hmm? Grand Forks, ND or Bozeman, Montana?

[JDoub]

There seriously needs to be some Boom governance put in place, for fans' sake. Should be on the agenda for the new AD, and decided before the quiet period ends July 10.


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