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[BelligerentBobcat]

People are so enamored with quarterbacks that they forget that many teams go far and even win championships without good quarterbacks. Just look at all the FBS, FCS, NFL title contenders over the years. It’s a huge list. Then there’s the list of great quarterbacks that didn’t win championships.

A huge list? I can think of Nick Foles, and he caught a massive hot streak. I guess somebody could argue one of the Alabama QB’s, but we aren’t as far above our peers as those teams were talent wise.

Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett all won superbowl.

I doubt many even remember half these guys:
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Tee Martin*
Matt Mauck
Chris Leak
Matt Flynn
Greg McElroy
Craig Krenzel
All won FBS titles.
*won the year after Peyton Manning left after not winning one.

When your best examples are from 20 years ago, you’re really stretching it. The game is different, defensive rules have changed.

For the record though, Chris Weinke was a tremendous college QB. He won the Heismam! Heupel was also fantastic. The only reason he didn’t win the Heisman was because of Weinke.

Ken Dorsey played on the most talented college football teams of all time. Chris Leak shared playing time with a guy by the name of Tim Tebow.

None of those are recent examples, none of them apply to the game that’s being played today. It’s an offensive driven game, and primarily a QB driven offensive game.

Chris Leak didn’t really share time with Tebow in 2006. Tebow was mostly a short distance rushing QB. He only attempted 33 passes that year. Not necessarily arguing with your general premise, just that specific example.

He was second on the team in rushing attempts.

Yes, to Deshawn Wynn who only attempted 143 rushes that year. Leak had nearly as many rushing attempts as Tebow and nearly 10 times as many passing attempts. As I said, Tebow was almost exclusively used in short-yardage rushing situations just like Chambers was for a period of time. But at no point in Chris Leak's senior year was he not the starting QB. He started all 4 years of his career and when he graduated, Tebow took over full time.

I never said Tebow was the starter when Leak was there. Btw, the vast majority of Leak’s “carries” are sacks.

I’m not saying Leak wasn’t the lead QB, not saying he didn’t play the majority of the time, but it would be categorically false to say he didn’t share time with Tebow.

[profisme]

People are so enamored with quarterbacks that they forget that many teams go far and even win championships without good quarterbacks. Just look at all the FBS, FCS, NFL title contenders over the years. It’s a huge list. Then there’s the list of great quarterbacks that didn’t win championships.

A huge list? I can think of Nick Foles, and he caught a massive hot streak. I guess somebody could argue one of the Alabama QB’s, but we aren’t as far above our peers as those teams were talent wise.

Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett all won superbowl.

I doubt many even remember half these guys:
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Tee Martin*
Matt Mauck
Chris Leak
Matt Flynn
Greg McElroy
Craig Krenzel
All won FBS titles.
*won the year after Peyton Manning left after not winning one.

When your best examples are from 20 years ago, you’re really stretching it. The game is different, defensive rules have changed.

For the record though, Chris Weinke was a tremendous college QB. He won the Heismam! Heupel was also fantastic. The only reason he didn’t win the Heisman was because of Weinke.

Ken Dorsey played on the most talented college football teams of all time. Chris Leak shared playing time with a guy by the name of Tim Tebow.

None of those are recent examples, none of them apply to the game that’s being played today. It’s an offensive driven game, and primarily a QB driven offensive game.

Chris Leak didn’t really share time with Tebow in 2006. Tebow was mostly a short distance rushing QB. He only attempted 33 passes that year. Not necessarily arguing with your general premise, just that specific example.

He was second on the team in rushing attempts.

Yes, to Deshawn Wynn who only attempted 143 rushes that year. Leak had nearly as many rushing attempts as Tebow and nearly 10 times as many passing attempts. As I said, Tebow was almost exclusively used in short-yardage rushing situations just like Chambers was for a period of time. But at no point in Chris Leak's senior year was he not the starting QB. He started all 4 years of his career and when he graduated, Tebow took over full time.

I never said Tebow was the starter when Leak was there. Btw, the vast majority of Leak’s “carries” are sacks.

I’m not saying Leak wasn’t the lead QB, not saying he didn’t play the majority of the time, but it would be categorically false to say he didn’t share time with Tebow.

When someone says shares time at QB it makes me think far more of a Cody Kempt/Mark Iddins or Cory Carpenter/Jack Rolovich or Major Applewhite/Chris Simms situation than the one your arguing with me.

[TomCat88]

People are so enamored with quarterbacks that they forget that many teams go far and even win championships without good quarterbacks. Just look at all the FBS, FCS, NFL title contenders over the years. It’s a huge list. Then there’s the list of great quarterbacks that didn’t win championships.

A huge list? I can think of Nick Foles, and he caught a massive hot streak. I guess somebody could argue one of the Alabama QB’s, but we aren’t as far above our peers as those teams were talent wise.

Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett all won superbowl.

I doubt many even remember half these guys:
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Tee Martin*
Matt Mauck
Chris Leak
Matt Flynn
Greg McElroy
Craig Krenzel
All won FBS titles.
*won the year after Peyton Manning left after not winning one.

When your best examples are from 20 years ago, you’re really stretching it. The game is different, defensive rules have changed.

For the record though, Chris Weinke was a tremendous college QB. He won the Heismam! Heupel was also fantastic. The only reason he didn’t win the Heisman was because of Weinke.

Ken Dorsey played on the most talented college football teams of all time. Chris Leak shared playing time with a guy by the name of Tim Tebow.

None of those are recent examples, none of them apply to the game that’s being played today. It’s an offensive driven game, and primarily a QB driven offensive game.

Chris Leak didn’t really share time with Tebow in 2006. Tebow was mostly a short distance rushing QB. He only attempted 33 passes that year. Not necessarily arguing with your general premise, just that specific example.

He was second on the team in rushing attempts.

Yes, to Deshawn Wynn who only attempted 143 rushes that year. Leak had nearly as many rushing attempts as Tebow and nearly 10 times as many passing attempts. As I said, Tebow was almost exclusively used in short-yardage rushing situations just like Chambers was for a period of time. But at no point in Chris Leak's senior year was he not the starting QB. He started all 4 years of his career and when he graduated, Tebow took over full time.

I never said Tebow was the starter when Leak was there. Btw, the vast majority of Leak’s “carries” are sacks.

I’m not saying Leak wasn’t the lead QB, not saying he didn’t play the majority of the time, but it would be categorically false to say he didn’t share time with Tebow.

When someone says shares time at QB it makes me think far more of a Cody Kempt/Mark Iddins or Cory Carpenter/Jack Rolovich or Major Applewhite/Chris Simms situation than the one your arguing with me.

Based on his stats that year and assuming he didn't play any full games in place of an injured Leak, Tebow was probably in the game for an average of about 10-15 plays per game. Assuming about 75 plays of offense per game, that's 15-20%. He threw 33 passes and rushed 89 times. That's 122 plays in 14 games. Hard to say how many plays he handed the ball off but you gotta figure at least 2-3 times per game to keep teams honest. ???

[BelligerentBobcat]

People are so enamored with quarterbacks that they forget that many teams go far and even win championships without good quarterbacks. Just look at all the FBS, FCS, NFL title contenders over the years. It’s a huge list. Then there’s the list of great quarterbacks that didn’t win championships.

A huge list? I can think of Nick Foles, and he caught a massive hot streak. I guess somebody could argue one of the Alabama QB’s, but we aren’t as far above our peers as those teams were talent wise.

Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett all won superbowl.

I doubt many even remember half these guys:
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Tee Martin*
Matt Mauck
Chris Leak
Matt Flynn
Greg McElroy
Craig Krenzel
All won FBS titles.
*won the year after Peyton Manning left after not winning one.

When your best examples are from 20 years ago, you’re really stretching it. The game is different, defensive rules have changed.

For the record though, Chris Weinke was a tremendous college QB. He won the Heismam! Heupel was also fantastic. The only reason he didn’t win the Heisman was because of Weinke.

Ken Dorsey played on the most talented college football teams of all time. Chris Leak shared playing time with a guy by the name of Tim Tebow.

None of those are recent examples, none of them apply to the game that’s being played today. It’s an offensive driven game, and primarily a QB driven offensive game.

Chris Leak didn’t really share time with Tebow in 2006. Tebow was mostly a short distance rushing QB. He only attempted 33 passes that year. Not necessarily arguing with your general premise, just that specific example.

He was second on the team in rushing attempts.

Yes, to Deshawn Wynn who only attempted 143 rushes that year. Leak had nearly as many rushing attempts as Tebow and nearly 10 times as many passing attempts. As I said, Tebow was almost exclusively used in short-yardage rushing situations just like Chambers was for a period of time. But at no point in Chris Leak's senior year was he not the starting QB. He started all 4 years of his career and when he graduated, Tebow took over full time.

I never said Tebow was the starter when Leak was there. Btw, the vast majority of Leak’s “carries” are sacks.

I’m not saying Leak wasn’t the lead QB, not saying he didn’t play the majority of the time, but it would be categorically false to say he didn’t share time with Tebow.

When someone says shares time at QB it makes me think far more of a Cody Kempt/Mark Iddins or Cory Carpenter/Jack Rolovich or Major Applewhite/Chris Simms situation than the one your arguing with me.

Based on his stats that year and assuming he didn't play any full games in place of an injured Leak, Tebow was probably in the game for an average of about 10-15 plays per game. Assuming about 75 plays of offense per game, that's 15-20%. He threw 33 passes and rushed 89 times. That's 122 plays in 14 games. Hard to say how many plays he handed the ball off but you gotta figure at least 2-3 times per game to keep teams honest. ???

62.5 offensive plays per game for the 2006 season according to sports reference. Can’t find snap counts anywhere.

[BelligerentBobcat]

People are so enamored with quarterbacks that they forget that many teams go far and even win championships without good quarterbacks. Just look at all the FBS, FCS, NFL title contenders over the years. It’s a huge list. Then there’s the list of great quarterbacks that didn’t win championships.

A huge list? I can think of Nick Foles, and he caught a massive hot streak. I guess somebody could argue one of the Alabama QB’s, but we aren’t as far above our peers as those teams were talent wise.

Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, mark Rypien, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett all won superbowl.

I doubt many even remember half these guys:
Chris Weinke
Josh Heupel
Ken Dorsey
Tee Martin*
Matt Mauck
Chris Leak
Matt Flynn
Greg McElroy
Craig Krenzel
All won FBS titles.
*won the year after Peyton Manning left after not winning one.

When your best examples are from 20 years ago, you’re really stretching it. The game is different, defensive rules have changed.

For the record though, Chris Weinke was a tremendous college QB. He won the Heismam! Heupel was also fantastic. The only reason he didn’t win the Heisman was because of Weinke.

Ken Dorsey played on the most talented college football teams of all time. Chris Leak shared playing time with a guy by the name of Tim Tebow.

None of those are recent examples, none of them apply to the game that’s being played today. It’s an offensive driven game, and primarily a QB driven offensive game.

Chris Leak didn’t really share time with Tebow in 2006. Tebow was mostly a short distance rushing QB. He only attempted 33 passes that year. Not necessarily arguing with your general premise, just that specific example.

He was second on the team in rushing attempts.

Yes, to Deshawn Wynn who only attempted 143 rushes that year. Leak had nearly as many rushing attempts as Tebow and nearly 10 times as many passing attempts. As I said, Tebow was almost exclusively used in short-yardage rushing situations just like Chambers was for a period of time. But at no point in Chris Leak's senior year was he not the starting QB. He started all 4 years of his career and when he graduated, Tebow took over full time.

I never said Tebow was the starter when Leak was there. Btw, the vast majority of Leak’s “carries” are sacks.

I’m not saying Leak wasn’t the lead QB, not saying he didn’t play the majority of the time, but it would be categorically false to say he didn’t share time with Tebow.

When someone says shares time at QB it makes me think far more of a Cody Kempt/Mark Iddins or Cory Carpenter/Jack Rolovich or Major Applewhite/Chris Simms situation than the one your arguing with me.

Fair enough. I view it differently than you, we’ll just agree to disagree.