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Re: Two QB System

Post by MTnative » Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:04 am

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I’m surprised with the run game we have that you never see a play action pass play. Especially when trying to establish some semblance of a passing game.
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Re: Two QB System

Post by mslacatfan » Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:17 am

One part of the offense that has really been driving me nuts…. Has Marqui touched the ball yet? Or even been in the game on an offensive play?

The guy is probably the biggest play maker on the team, homerun threat any time he gets the ball, and we don’t use him…. Even with our starting receivers banged up….. I don’t get it.


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Re: Two QB System

Post by TomCat88 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:03 am

mslacatfan wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:17 am
One part of the offense that has really been driving me nuts…. Has Marqui touched the ball yet? Or even been in the game on an offensive play?

The guy is probably the biggest play maker on the team, homerun threat any time he gets the ball, and we don’t use him…. Even with our starting receivers banged up….. I don’t get it.
It probably boils down to who the opponent is and how the coaches want to attack that defense based on its style and personnel and also what they see during the game. Against SDSU they wanted to control the clock and grind out first downs. In both games combined vs Weber he only had one carry so unless they’ve seen something different from Weber this year I would expect his carries will be limited again. He’s also not a tackle breaker imho and there’s a chance he gets MSU behind the sticks.


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Re: Two QB System

Post by cats2506 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:54 am

Mtcatfan wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2023 8:53 pm
I’m surprised with the run game we have that you never see a play action pass play. Especially when trying to establish some semblance of a passing game.
We run a lot of RPO, essentially the same idea as play action


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Re: Two QB System

Post by 4KornerKat » Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:58 am

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If I’m making a bold prediction it’s we will see Reed in as a compliment to Chambers, not as a mop up qb.
I don't think this will be the case. Chambers is a capable quarterback, this is his final year, I'm sure he is embracing the opportunity to carry the load. He has handled his transfer, the 2 QB system, and everything that comes with it incredibly well, I would think he gets rewarded by being the lone signal caller in Tommy's absence. I think there is also an element of trust/confidence there between him/Housewright/Vigen.



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Re: Two QB System

Post by luckyirishguy25 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:14 am

Common Cat wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:27 pm
Can’t help but wonder if we will see a continuance of the two qb system with Reed?
Reed is no where close to being ready, the only way we see him is if Sean is hurt.



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Re: Two QB System

Post by 4KornerKat » Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:18 am

luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:14 am
Common Cat wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:27 pm
Can’t help but wonder if we will see a continuance of the two qb system with Reed?
Reed is no where close to being ready, the only way we see him is if Sean is hurt.
I actually think Reed is close to being ready, I think the thing he is currently missing is game experience, last week was huge for him on that front.

The part we have seen consistently is a struggle to adjust game-plan to a new quarterback if someone does go down, like when Rovig came in against NDSU and they still called the game like Tommy was out there. Chambers and Mellott have similar skillsets so not quite as noticeable, but I do think Reed would struggle to run the Chambers/Mellott game-plan.



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Re: Two QB System

Post by VimSince03 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:42 am

4KornerKat wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:18 am
luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:14 am
Common Cat wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:27 pm
Can’t help but wonder if we will see a continuance of the two qb system with Reed?
Reed is no where close to being ready, the only way we see him is if Sean is hurt.
I actually think Reed is close to being ready, I think the thing he is currently missing is game experience, last week was huge for him on that front.

The part we have seen consistently is a struggle to adjust game-plan to a new quarterback if someone does go down, like when Rovig came in against NDSU and they still called the game like Tommy was out there. Chambers and Mellott have similar skillsets so not quite as noticeable, but I do think Reed would struggle to run the Chambers/Mellott game-plan.
I think they noticeably ran a different version of their base offense when Reed was in the game last week. Some deep fade routes but also a mix of short routes that utilize our athletes. I also just like the feel Jordan has for the middle of the field. That plays going forward. Sure it will lead to mistakes but once he goes through the growing pains, making a defense cover the middle with a great run game makes an offense incredibly hard to defend. I agree that I don't think Jordan is ready yet only because of game experience. I don't think it would be wise to throw him into the fire against a Weber State defense.

And yes I'm ready for the "should've played Reed" if we lose because Sean struggles moving the ball through the air.


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Re: Two QB System

Post by CelticCat » Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:26 am

mslacatfan wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:17 am
One part of the offense that has really been driving me nuts…. Has Marqui touched the ball yet? Or even been in the game on an offensive play?

The guy is probably the biggest play maker on the team, homerun threat any time he gets the ball, and we don’t use him…. Even with our starting receivers banged up….. I don’t get it.
This is also driving me nuts. Every year since Choate turned this program into a QB run offense we've had a speedster who can attack the edges, often a WR who doesn't do anything else (think Tyrone Marshall). But we don't seem to be running those plays this year which is leaving a lot on the table when you have a proven guy like Marqui. I don't get it.


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Re: Two QB System

Post by TomCat88 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:31 am

CelticCat wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:26 am
mslacatfan wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:17 am
One part of the offense that has really been driving me nuts…. Has Marqui touched the ball yet? Or even been in the game on an offensive play?

The guy is probably the biggest play maker on the team, homerun threat any time he gets the ball, and we don’t use him…. Even with our starting receivers banged up….. I don’t get it.
This is also driving me nuts. Every year since Choate turned this program into a QB run offense we've had a speedster who can attack the edges, often a WR who doesn't do anything else (think Tyrone Marshall). But we don't seem to be running those plays this year which is leaving a lot on the table when you have a proven guy like Marqui. I don't get it.
They study the defense and decide what plays will and won’t work. The way SDSU closes on defense the edges were a problem. They probably had other things they wanted to work on in the two easier games.


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Re: Two QB System

Post by TomCat88 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:36 am

4KornerKat wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:18 am
luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:14 am
Common Cat wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:27 pm
Can’t help but wonder if we will see a continuance of the two qb system with Reed?
Reed is no where close to being ready, the only way we see him is if Sean is hurt.
I actually think Reed is close to being ready, I think the thing he is currently missing is game experience, last week was huge for him on that front.

The part we have seen consistently is a struggle to adjust game-plan to a new quarterback if someone does go down, like when Rovig came in against NDSU and they still called the game like Tommy was out there. Chambers and Mellott have similar skillsets so not quite as noticeable, but I do think Reed would struggle to run the Chambers/Mellott game-plan.
Reed is going to get good. I don’t think the coaches are ready to put him into such a big game. The risk/reward ratio sucks. He throws a pick6 or fumbles and the coaches are dog meat. The odds of him making a big splash aren’t very good. I think there’s a better chance that Mellott suits up.


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Re: Two QB System

Post by CelticCat » Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:41 am

TomCat88 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:36 am
4KornerKat wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:18 am
luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:14 am
Common Cat wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:27 pm
Can’t help but wonder if we will see a continuance of the two qb system with Reed?
Reed is no where close to being ready, the only way we see him is if Sean is hurt.
I actually think Reed is close to being ready, I think the thing he is currently missing is game experience, last week was huge for him on that front.

The part we have seen consistently is a struggle to adjust game-plan to a new quarterback if someone does go down, like when Rovig came in against NDSU and they still called the game like Tommy was out there. Chambers and Mellott have similar skillsets so not quite as noticeable, but I do think Reed would struggle to run the Chambers/Mellott game-plan.
Reed is going to get good. I don’t think the coaches are ready to put him into such a big game. The risk/reward ratio sucks. He throws a pick6 or fumbles and the coaches are dog meat. The odds of him making a big splash aren’t very good. I think there’s a better chance that Mellott suits up.
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Re: Two QB System

Post by Retiredstets333 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:15 am

Chance Wilson fits better with what the Cats are currently doing with Chambers. However, he isn't the #3 QB. Jordan Reed is going to be a great QB for the Cats in a year or two.



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Re: Two QB System

Post by rfischer94 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:07 pm

I would love to see a pass up the seam when BBQU loads the box.



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Re: Two QB System

Post by luckyirishguy25 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:54 pm

VimSince03 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:42 am
4KornerKat wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:18 am
luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:14 am
Common Cat wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:27 pm
Can’t help but wonder if we will see a continuance of the two qb system with Reed?
Reed is no where close to being ready, the only way we see him is if Sean is hurt.
I actually think Reed is close to being ready, I think the thing he is currently missing is game experience, last week was huge for him on that front.

The part we have seen consistently is a struggle to adjust game-plan to a new quarterback if someone does go down, like when Rovig came in against NDSU and they still called the game like Tommy was out there. Chambers and Mellott have similar skillsets so not quite as noticeable, but I do think Reed would struggle to run the Chambers/Mellott game-plan.
I think they noticeably ran a different version of their base offense when Reed was in the game last week. Some deep fade routes but also a mix of short routes that utilize our athletes. I also just like the feel Jordan has for the middle of the field. That plays going forward. Sure it will lead to mistakes but once he goes through the growing pains, making a defense cover the middle with a great run game makes an offense incredibly hard to defend. I agree that I don't think Jordan is ready yet only because of game experience. I don't think it would be wise to throw him into the fire against a Weber State defense.

And yes I'm ready for the "should've played Reed" if we lose because Sean struggles moving the ball through the air.
Jordan throws nice short and medium passes, his accuracy of his fades/deep passes has a lot to be desired.



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Re: Two QB System

Post by luckyirishguy25 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:55 pm

CelticCat wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:41 am
TomCat88 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 10:36 am
4KornerKat wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:18 am
luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:14 am
Common Cat wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:27 pm
Can’t help but wonder if we will see a continuance of the two qb system with Reed?
Reed is no where close to being ready, the only way we see him is if Sean is hurt.
I actually think Reed is close to being ready, I think the thing he is currently missing is game experience, last week was huge for him on that front.

The part we have seen consistently is a struggle to adjust game-plan to a new quarterback if someone does go down, like when Rovig came in against NDSU and they still called the game like Tommy was out there. Chambers and Mellott have similar skillsets so not quite as noticeable, but I do think Reed would struggle to run the Chambers/Mellott game-plan.
Reed is going to get good. I don’t think the coaches are ready to put him into such a big game. The risk/reward ratio sucks. He throws a pick6 or fumbles and the coaches are dog meat. The odds of him making a big splash aren’t very good. I think there’s a better chance that Mellott suits up.
Snell at wildcat QB.
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Re: Two QB System

Post by BelligerentBobcat » Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:43 pm

luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 12:54 pm
VimSince03 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:42 am
4KornerKat wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:18 am
luckyirishguy25 wrote:
Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:14 am
Common Cat wrote:
Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:27 pm
Can’t help but wonder if we will see a continuance of the two qb system with Reed?
Reed is no where close to being ready, the only way we see him is if Sean is hurt.
I actually think Reed is close to being ready, I think the thing he is currently missing is game experience, last week was huge for him on that front.

The part we have seen consistently is a struggle to adjust game-plan to a new quarterback if someone does go down, like when Rovig came in against NDSU and they still called the game like Tommy was out there. Chambers and Mellott have similar skillsets so not quite as noticeable, but I do think Reed would struggle to run the Chambers/Mellott game-plan.
I think they noticeably ran a different version of their base offense when Reed was in the game last week. Some deep fade routes but also a mix of short routes that utilize our athletes. I also just like the feel Jordan has for the middle of the field. That plays going forward. Sure it will lead to mistakes but once he goes through the growing pains, making a defense cover the middle with a great run game makes an offense incredibly hard to defend. I agree that I don't think Jordan is ready yet only because of game experience. I don't think it would be wise to throw him into the fire against a Weber State defense.

And yes I'm ready for the "should've played Reed" if we lose because Sean struggles moving the ball through the air.
Jordan throws nice short and medium passes, his accuracy of his fades/deep passes has a lot to be desired.
He’s played one game. I don’t think we can rightfully declare too much about what he’s good or not good at.



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Re: Two QB System

Post by fsburr1 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 1:56 pm

After watching many practices Reed has a great arm. His long balls are probably the most accurate of the three QB's. His release is quick and his mid range accuracy is very good. He also seems to survey the field better to find the open receiver. All he needs to improve is more playing time. I think we have a good chance of seeing him for a couple of series or situations tomorrow.



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Re: Two QB System

Post by Helcat72 » Fri Sep 22, 2023 5:58 pm

I think the philosophy behind this offense is not to give up the ball. We run the damn ball! We only pass to keep 7 or 8 men out of the box and seldom throw over the middle where safeties prowl. We throw WR screens, outs, and deep fades. ..sometimes deep posts, and a few outside short passes to TE's, and the wheel route to backs but that's about all.
I think we will never see a passing attack like EWU, however, unless our running game goes south.


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Re: Two QB System

Post by tagleason » Sun Sep 24, 2023 4:09 am

I think Sean stemmed to sterned pretty well again today. Great reads. Excellent throws. Can’t say anything bad about his running abilities. We just need to make him bigger! Fun, fun guy to watch.


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