Multi Year Contracts... Again

bobcatgrad2005 · Post by **bobcatgrad2005** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:55 pm

You all are tired of talking about this, I know. However, will Huse be getting a multi year contract? Is this a dead subject?

Go Scats Go · Post by **Go Scats Go** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:29 pm

I think that discussion with the board of Regents comes up in June. So this first Contract will definatly be a one year contract.

However, that will probably change if the Regents change thier minds.

Belgrade Big Dog · Post by **Belgrade Big Dog** » Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:42 pm

I feel there should be a 2 or 3 year minimum before a coach is ellgible for a multi year contract. You could get burned really bad if what you think is an outstanding coach, suddenly turns into a coach McCarthy type. I still feel there are currently three coaches in Montana, in the Big Sky, that are deserving of a multi year contract. Robin Selvig, Dale Kennedy, and Mike Kramer.

bobcatgrad2005 · Post by **bobcatgrad2005** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:47 am

I can agree to that.

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:49 am

I sent emails to each of the regents before their last meeting asking for consideration of a mulit-year contract, up to 3 years specifically. I received responses from 4 of the regents thanking me for the contact and saying it was going to be discussed. One of them made the comment they have received quite a few contacts regarding that issue and it will be given serious consideration. I know it was discussed but no action taken.... when they will get serious and take action who knows... hopefully this next meeting.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:13 am

Belgrade Big Dog wrote:I feel there should be a 2 or 3 year minimum before a coach is ellgible for a multi year contract. You could get burned really bad if what you think is an outstanding coach, suddenly turns into a coach McCarthy type. I still feel there are currently three coaches in Montana, in the Big Sky, that are deserving of a multi year contract. Robin Selvig, Dale Kennedy, and Mike Kramer.

I agree, I think there should be a 3-4 year minimim before a coach is eligible for a multi year deal. That way they will have proven themselves before it becomes an issue.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:57 am

You are right on. There is risk in the multi year contract that it is offered and then the coach is let go and you need to buy out the contract. Our Budget is not in shape to do that. If we go multi year there needs to be buy out provisions that protect the institution from a coach doing something wrong that gets them fired. Obviously if it is philosophy or win/loss that gets him fired the school will need to buy the contract out.

catBBfan · Post by **catBBfan** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:45 am

Belgrade Big Dog wrote:I feel there should be a 2 or 3 year minimum before a coach is eligible for a multi year contract. You could get burned really bad if what you think is an outstanding coach, suddenly turns into a coach McCarthy type. I still feel there are currently three coaches in Montana, in the Big Sky, that are deserving of a multi year contract. Robin Selvig, Dale Kennedy, and Mike Kramer.

a added bit of info. When Weber hired their new coach he started with a four year contract

Charlie · Post by **Charlie** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:01 pm

If the school wanted to play it safe and offer a few consecutive one year contracts, couldn't they just do that on their own instead of having a mandatory 3-4 year "trial" period? Forcing that mandatory period of 1 year deals seems like it would be about as unattractive to prospective new coaches as our current system.

4everacatfan · Post by **4everacatfan** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:25 pm

Belgrade Big Dog wrote:I feel there should be a 2 or 3 year minimum before a coach is ellgible for a multi year contract. You could get burned really bad if what you think is an outstanding coach, suddenly turns into a coach McCarthy type. I still feel there are currently three coaches in Montana, in the Big Sky, that are deserving of a multi year contract. Robin Selvig, Dale Kennedy, and Mike Kramer.

I find it terrible that this state after all the years that both Kennedy and Selvig have given that they are still on year to year contracts. I like this plan of 2 - 3 years of single year contracts than you are ellgible for a multi - year contract if the institution deems it so.

Also how do you get addresses to write to the regents I do not live in the state but I do own land in Montana and pay taxes and I think this is something that should be discussed and possibly changed.

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:43 pm

I can see where you are at with the single year contracts first... but I don't agree. Both MSU and UM have to compete for (and keep) quality coaches and we both have been very fortunate, but to continue we need to have the 3 years contract in force right away. This is an advantage we need to have to intice quality coaches. I think the risk is worth it because any new coach is going to get a minimum of two years at the least to build "his" program before being let go... so the financial risk is not that big. A coach may come in the first year and have a great year and be gone the next with a one year contract. We need the assurance of 3 years.

Robcat · Post by **Robcat** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:03 pm

Catfamily-Ditto!

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:21 pm

CatFamily wrote:I can see where you are at with the single year contracts first... but I don't agree. Both MSU and UM have to compete for (and keep) quality coaches and we both have been very fortunate, but to continue we need to have the 3 years contract in force right away. This is an advantage we need to have to intice quality coaches. I think the risk is worth it because any new coach is going to get a minimum of two years at the least to build "his" program before being let go... so the financial risk is not that big. A coach may come in the first year and have a great year and be gone the next with a one year contract. We need the assurance of 3 years.

As much as I can see your point on this one, I just dont' think it's as realistic at the 1-AA level. Higher profile ($$$) college and pro sports teams can eat the money if they have to buy out a coaches contract, but the state of Montana/MSU/UM do not usually have the means to do that so I can see good and bad things on both sides. I could maybe see 2 year contracts being put in though at first as those aren't the risk that 3-4 year contracts are etc. I do agree, that at minimum we should offer 2 year contracts. 3 years I don't think we will get unless the coach has been there a long time or something and is a proven winner etc. We will have to wait and see how it turns out.

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:05 pm

Conversely if a good coach wants out of his contract before it is up...the school that wants him or he himself should pay us to buy out of the contract! Does anyone think that would fly? maybe we would never get a coach....that may be worse than a one year deal!

Post by **kmax** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:17 pm

Helcat72 wrote:Conversely if a good coach wants out of his contract before it is up...the school that wants him or he himself should pay us to buy out of the contract! Does anyone think that would fly? maybe we would never get a coach....that may be worse than a one year deal!

I think that is pretty much standard for multi-year deals. There is a buyout clause to protect the individual in the case of dismissal and a buyout clause to protect the team/school in the case of the coach taking another job. I don't think that would hurt us at all.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:22 pm

Although the idea of a multi year deal sounds great on the surface, I don't think it would matter a hill o' beans when hiring good coaches and retaining same.

For example: Say Krames had a 2-year deal worth $200,000, and Idaho came calling with a 3-year deal worth $750,000. MSU could not compete with the Idaho offer (currently), and I would doubt that Idaho would be disuaded in extending the offer, even if it meant paying MSU a hundred grand to buy out Krames' contract.

JMO