Bobcats vs. South Dakota St.

wbtfg · Post by **wbtfg** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:00 am

Helcat72 wrote:I just got back from Bozeman and we need to do something about Dissly! He needs a good dose of Prozac or something. He looks depressed! Maybe his dog died or he's having women problems! He tries a few moves early and if he's unsuccessful....forget the rest of the game!

Moss looks like he was up all night with the baby or something. I still believe that his problem is that he gets frustrated when he's up against a better athlete. Moss cannot jump! He can make quick up and under moves under the basket, but if the defense can beat him to the spot he will travel or give it up. He can't put the ball on the floor..and if he tries he dribbles it off his foot or gets it stolen. He just looks like a player who has been a center for most of his career and still cannot get used to facing the basket! His range is about a foot and a half!

The result of this is that we get no offense from either forward most nights. They play decent defense some nights, and we'd be in deep trouble if they didn't play, but they're a waste on offense!

Tonight the defense and rebounding was atocious! SDSU was getting 15 foot jumpers at will and their post was making us look bad. He had 24 or so. Mick said before the game that we were going to play straight up man to man and not trap...but we had to! When we trapped and they escaped, it looked like the defense just gave up the shot!

Mick was dumbfounded with the defense according to what he said on the post game show.

Frankly, IMO, we lack size at the guards, and we just don't have the athletes at the forwards to compete with the teams that we play. The good news is we have everyone back from last year...the bad news is we have everyone back from last year...a year when we overachieved against a WEAK LEAGUE!

That's a very good assessment. My comment during the game was that it looked like Dis was still hung over from New Years Eve. Whatever the case, both he and Moss have really stunk lately.

I really agree with you observation that Moss is having trouble adapting to not being a center. I think that we should try playing moss at Center a little bit. He plays a lot better with his back to the basket...he has one of the quickest drop step moves to the basket I have seen. My solution is when subbing for Al, don't just automatically put Morris in, I would try putting in Durr or Pratt, and having Moss move to the 5. Not only would this give Moss a chance to use his quickness against bigger slower defenders, I really think that it would help out our athleticism on our trapping defense.

If I remember correctly Moss was a monster last year when Al was out and he was our only post presence. I also remember Moss struggling to find his niche when he was in the game at the same time as Al. It looks like he still hasn't found his niche w/ Al in the game, and now with Ted, Moss isn't getting any chances on the low block.

CatGrad00 · Post by **CatGrad00** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:27 am

wbtfg wrote:
Helcat72 wrote: My solution is when subbing for Al, don't just automatically put Morris in, I would try putting in Durr or Pratt, and having Moss move to the 5. Not only would this give Moss a chance to use his quickness against bigger slower defenders, I really think that it would help out our athleticism on our trapping defense. .

Good point.....this worked very well in COlorado.....Durr at the #4 and Moss posting up at #5.

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:36 am

CatGrad00 wrote:
wbtfg wrote:
Helcat72 wrote: My solution is when subbing for Al, don't just automatically put Morris in, I would try putting in Durr or Pratt, and having Moss move to the 5. Not only would this give Moss a chance to use his quickness against bigger slower defenders, I really think that it would help out our athleticism on our trapping defense. .
Good point.....this worked very well in COlorado.....Durr at the #4 and Moss posting up at #5.

but i dont see how it would help our other major issue right now....rebounding. the big sky is obviously not a great conference, but to compare how that lineup worked against a horrible, horrible northern colorado team, and the rest of the big sky i dont think is valid. imo.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:41 am

whitetrashgriz wrote:
CatGrad00 wrote:
wbtfg wrote:
Helcat72 wrote: My solution is when subbing for Al, don't just automatically put Morris in, I would try putting in Durr or Pratt, and having Moss move to the 5. Not only would this give Moss a chance to use his quickness against bigger slower defenders, I really think that it would help out our athleticism on our trapping defense. .
Good point.....this worked very well in COlorado.....Durr at the #4 and Moss posting up at #5.

but i dont see how it would help our other major issue right now....rebounding. the big sky is obviously not a great conference, but to compare how that lineup worked against a horrible, horrible northern colorado team, and the rest of the big sky i dont think is valid. imo.[/quote0]

I totally disagree. UNC had 2 really good post players (Big Sky Level) and Moss is definately a better post up (back to basket) player. I would be playing him 75% of the time in the post. If we have to go to a small lineup then lets do it because the other big guys are not getting it done rebounding (fouls).

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 9:57 am

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
whitetrashgriz wrote:
CatGrad00 wrote:
wbtfg wrote:
Helcat72 wrote: My solution is when subbing for Al, don't just automatically put Morris in, I would try putting in Durr or Pratt, and having Moss move to the 5. Not only would this give Moss a chance to use his quickness against bigger slower defenders, I really think that it would help out our athleticism on our trapping defense. .
Good point.....this worked very well in COlorado.....Durr at the #4 and Moss posting up at #5.
but i dont see how it would help our other major issue right now....rebounding. the big sky is obviously not a great conference, but to compare how that lineup worked against a horrible, horrible northern colorado team, and the rest of the big sky i dont think is valid. imo.[/quote0]

I totally disagree. UNC had 2 really good post players (Big Sky Level) and Moss is definately a better post up (back to basket) player. I would be playing him 75% of the time in the post. If we have to go to a small lineup then lets do it because the other big guys are not getting it done rebounding (fouls).

i guess so. i'm just saying that while the smaller lineup was fun to watch last night, we got killed on the boards more than usual which is hard to do. so, i guess you trade one for the other. maybe marvin could be more effective, but we need to learn how to win knowing that we will never compete in the rebounding battle and that is hard to do.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:22 am

whitetrashgriz wrote:
CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
whitetrashgriz wrote:
CatGrad00 wrote:
wbtfg wrote:
Helcat72 wrote: My solution is when subbing for Al, don't just automatically put Morris in, I would try putting in Durr or Pratt, and having Moss move to the 5. Not only would this give Moss a chance to use his quickness against bigger slower defenders, I really think that it would help out our athleticism on our trapping defense. .
Good point.....this worked very well in COlorado.....Durr at the #4 and Moss posting up at #5.
but i dont see how it would help our other major issue right now....rebounding. the big sky is obviously not a great conference, but to compare how that lineup worked against a horrible, horrible northern colorado team, and the rest of the big sky i dont think is valid. imo.[/quote0]

I totally disagree. UNC had 2 really good post players (Big Sky Level) and Moss is definately a better post up (back to basket) player. I would be playing him 75% of the time in the post. If we have to go to a small lineup then lets do it because the other big guys are not getting it done rebounding (fouls).
i guess so. i'm just saying that while the smaller lineup was fun to watch last night, we got killed on the boards more than usual which is hard to do. so, i guess you trade one for the other. maybe marvin could be more effective, but we need to learn how to win knowing that we will never compete in the rebounding battle and that is hard to do.

While I love Moss, I just dont' think we have the bodies inside this year to become a force in the Big Sky this year. We'll play any team tough if our 3's are going in, but that is just going to make for tons of close games this year. We will win some and lose some = probably .500 basketball. I am a big Kentucky fan and I see the same issues with Kentucky right now. However, they DO HAVE Randolph Morris returning in 3 games which will give them some THUNDER inside. MSU doesn't have that luxury.

AZCAT21 · Post by **AZCAT21** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 10:36 am

I thought I was correct in being offended that this team was as good or better than the 96 team. Also couldn't believe that the 02 team wasn't even mentioned in the same breath as these guys. Obviously this team has a case of getting their heads pumped with how great they ar. These guys are not a team. They maybe decent individual players, but I'm beginning to not think that either. I wish them the best but they really need to play team basketball, they are looking pathetic, the AND ONE league doesn't play till this summer!!!!