Football recruits - Out of State

[mslacat]

Found on the net.
Jordan Rasmussen
University Place (WA)
Curtis
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 202 pounds
40-yard dash: 4.7 seconds
Bench max: 225 pounds
Vertical leap: 28 inches
GPA: 3.9

Spar = 54.34

One in-state athletes received his first scholarship offer this week and one his second, both from the Big Sky. And for Curtis QB Jordan Rasmussen and Ingraham WR Myron Beck, it has been a good week. We talked to both athletes about their offers.


Rivals.com
Rasmussen's first offer is from Montana State.
"I've got offer number one," exclaimed Rasmussen. "It's from Montana State. I'm definitely excited to get the first one out of the way, it's been a long wait so far."

Rasmussen seemed to have a new suitor in San Jose State, but that flirtation was short-lived. He said, "They told me they had to go in a different direction because it costs twice as much to bring me in as it does an in-state kid."

He is also still hearing from Washington, Oregon State, UTEP, Weber State and Idaho State. But this offer especially makes Rasmussen happy as he noted, "I was Montana State's number one from last spring when Coach Bailey came and watched my junior film."



Rasmussen will take a trip to Montana State this weekend, as his initially planned visit to Arizona was scrapped when the Wildcats got a verbal.

Ingraham's Beck got his second offer during an in-school visit earlier this week. He said, "I got an offer from Weber State.

"They came to my school and said they liked the tape and that the coaches want me there," he continued.

Beck has also been hearing from Oregon State, Washington and Washington State and also has an offer from Eastern Washington.

Both athletes will try and see which offers they can get before they make a decision. WashingtonPreps.com will keep you posted on the latest.

[BozoneCat]

Found on the net.
Jordan Rasmussen
University Place (WA)
Curtis
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 202 pounds
40-yard dash: 4.7 seconds
Bench max: 225 pounds
Vertical leap: 28 inches
GPA: 3.9

Spar = 54.34

I hope some of those numbers are old, because they sure don't look too impressive to me.

6-foot-4: Great
202 pounds: Not bad
4.7 second 40: Pretty slow. Isn't this the same time Selle had?
225 pound bench max: Pathetic. I could bench that much when I was in high school, and I only weighed 150 pounds back then.
28 inch vertical: Not great, but I don't imagine vertical jump is all that important with a QB.
3.9 GPA: Awesome.

[iaafan]

Found on the net.
Jordan Rasmussen
University Place (WA)
Curtis
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 202 pounds
40-yard dash: 4.7 seconds
Bench max: 225 pounds
Vertical leap: 28 inches
GPA: 3.9

Spar = 54.34

I hope some of those numbers are old, because they sure don't look too impressive to me.

6-foot-4: Great
202 pounds: Not bad
4.7 second 40: Pretty slow. Isn't this the same time Selle had?
225 pound bench max: Pathetic. I could bench that much when I was in high school, and I only weighed 150 pounds back then.
28 inch vertical: Not great, but I don't imagine vertical jump is all that important with a QB.
3.9 GPA: Awesome.

Not impressed. Really? 4.6 is fast, so 4.7 isn't bad. Granted he's no Vince Young, but it's definitely not slow for the Big Sky. A 225-lb bench isn't bad for a QB either. Esp. if you're 6-4, because you have to move the weight that much further. It's certainly far from pathetic.

[wbtfg]

more info...

With the Huskies owning a 1-7 overall record and struggling to find consistency at quarterback this season, it comes as no surprise that Washington's coaching staff is giving more attention to Curtis High School QB Jordan Rasmussen.


Rivals.com

Closer to offer?
Washington likes Rasmussen so much that they've moved beyond simply requesting game tape of the 210 pounder's best performance to now inquiring about just how interested he would be in joining the Huskies. Rasmussen doesn't have an official offer from Washington just yet. However, he recently received a very encouraging phone call from Eric Yarber, Washington's wide receivers coach.

"Washington asked if they made me an offer would I be interested," said Rasmussen. "I told them I would be tempted but am not ready to make a decision."

Rasmussen spoke highly of Washington's program. "Washington has a lot of potential and I really like their coaching staff," he said. But Rasmussen is also being courted by a number of other schools. He has scheduled an official visit to Arizona in December and has been in continuous contact with the University of Oregon while recently adding the University of Texas El Paso to his list of potential colleges.

"I definitely like Oregon and UTEP too," said Rasmussen. "Oregon does not have a lot of depth at my position and UTEP has Jordan Palmer but he'll be a senior and I'm not sure what their depth chart looks like."

Rivals.com currently ranks Rasmussen no. 22 in the state of Washington.
"When I make a decision depends a lot on how soon I get offers" He said. "I could decide as soon as December or I might have to wait through January."

[gtapp]

Found on the net.
Jordan Rasmussen
University Place (WA)
Curtis
Height: 6-foot-4
Weight: 202 pounds
40-yard dash: 4.7 seconds
Bench max: 225 pounds
Vertical leap: 28 inches
GPA: 3.9

Spar = 54.34

I hope some of those numbers are old, because they sure don't look too impressive to me.

6-foot-4: Great
202 pounds: Not bad
4.7 second 40: Pretty slow. Isn't this the same time Selle had?
225 pound bench max: Pathetic. I could bench that much when I was in high school, and I only weighed 150 pounds back then.
28 inch vertical: Not great, but I don't imagine vertical jump is all that important with a QB.
3.9 GPA: Awesome.

A 225 lb bench would put him in the top 5% of HS kids. Most HS kids, even lineman are not benching much more. They may say they are but probably not. If you were benching 225 at 150 lbs in HS that would put you in the top 1% for that weight class and that age group.

I am glad he is not benching more so that he is at less risk for shoulder and other joint problems. HS kids should NEVER be lifting heavy. They do and most end up OK but a significant number end up injured and some are never the same. They should wait till college to start heavy lifting. Look at the kid from Lewistown a few years back. Recruited by Stanford and on the cover of SI magazine. He was 265 lbs and benched 365 as a Senior in HS. He never played college ball because of the damage from the Heavy lifting in HS.

[BozoneCat]

Not impressed. Really? 4.6 is fast, so 4.7 isn't bad. Granted he's no Vince Young, but it's definitely not slow for the Big Sky. A 225-lb bench isn't bad for a QB either. Esp. if you're 6-4, because you have to move the weight that much further. It's certainly far from pathetic.

Yeah, I'll go back on what I said about his 40 time - that isn't too bad, upon reflection. Also, I think I remember Selle running more around a 5.0 second 40 now that I think about it. Get the kid doing some plyo's and sprint training, and he could easily knock two tenths off that time.

I still stand by what I said about his bench press, though. That just isn't very impressive, especially for such a large kid. I'm not sure where gtapp is getting his 5% number from, but I call B.S. on that. By the time I was a senior in high school, most of the kids in my class were throwing up at least 225. I did it, and I didn't even play football.

The problem isn't with high school kids lifting heavy weights. The problem is first off, these kids are not being taught how to lift correctly by licensed, trained personnel - they are being taught by meathead coaches with little to no formal education in the field. Second, as a result of learning improper lifting techniques and not being taught to balance their lifts, these kids' bodies become imbalanced from doing too much bench press and too little of the lifts that will balance that out, such as lifts that focus on the posterior deltoid and scapular retractors (rows are a great example). Personally, I think starting kids in the weight room when they are still in junior high is too early, but by the time they hit high school, they should be started off slowly, with more focus on proper technique and education. By the time they are juniors and seniors, heavy lifting should not adversely affect their bodies.

[MbobScatU]

hey chill out. that bench max is about a year old. 250-275 is a more reasonable max for jordan, which still probably isn't impressive to you. ask any football coach and they'll say bench pressing is one of the least important exercises for football unless you're a lineman. Core body workouts like cleans and squats matter more.

[Grizcat]

Bozone, A lot of meathead coaches like myself are certified by ISSA or ACE other strength training organizations so your opinion is about as valuable as a confederate $3 bill.

And not all college strength coaches care a lot about bench press. You need cleans and squats for explosion and strength. That's not true of all coaches, but many consider the bench way behind in importance to squat and cleans.

[gtapp]

We are getting way off the original thread here, BUT;

Everyone here is right, Bench is not a big football need. It is representative of overall strength but not as important as squats, cleans, etc. Bozone is right, Juniors and Seniors can and do bench heavy but at a risk. And he is also right that form can be as much of a culprit as weight. I just hate to see it because of the increased risk at that age. The body is still developing. I just wish they would keep the weights moderate until 18 - 19 years old. As far as the numbers I listed they are available on-line and while not scientific they are representative. The average HS kid benches about 120 lbs (not football here, just HS kids in general over four grades). Only about 15% - 20% of HS kids lift so it makes it hard to get a high percentage that are benching or squating big numbers.

[BozoneCat]

hey chill out. that bench max is about a year old. 250-275 is a more reasonable max for jordan, which still probably isn't impressive to you. ask any football coach and they'll say bench pressing is one of the least important exercises for football unless you're a lineman. Core body workouts like cleans and squats matter more.

I believe I started my post wondering whether those numbers were up-to-date, because I thought they seemed kind of low. If he is benching 250-275, which is where I would expect a kid getting Pac-10 attention to be at, then that is much more impressive. FYI, bench press is indeed a good measure of upper body strength and explosive power, just as squats and cleans are a good measure of lower body strength and power. If you happened to watch how many guys Lulay threw to the ground with stiff-arms this year, you would realize that upper body strength is indeed important, even for a QB.

Bozone, A lot of meathead coaches like myself are certified by ISSA or ACE other strength training organizations so your opinion is about as valuable as a confederate $3 bill.

Chill out, dude. You are lumping yourself in with those "meathead" guys I was referring to, when the point of what I said is that you are in a separate category. I strongly believe that ALL coaches should be required to have certification if they are going to be coaching kids on how to lift - so if you are certified, then I think that is great for you and the kids you coach. Sadly, it is a fact that a great deal of coaches are not.

BTW, I am about to graduate with a doctorate in physical therapy, and I am certified through ACSM, so I am pretty sure that my opinion is indeed valuable.

And not all college strength coaches care a lot about bench press. You need cleans and squats for explosion and strength. That's not true of all coaches, but many consider the bench way behind in importance to squat and cleans.

Well, they still test bench press max at the NFL combine, so I would say that some pretty knowledgable people still consider it an important measuring stick. I agree that squats and cleans are probably more important in the large scheme of things, but bench is still the best way to measure upper body strength. Personally, I think it is somewhat misleading to use a 1-rep max as the standard - you get a heck of a lot more information by testing an 8-rep max.

As far as the numbers I listed they are available on-line and while not scientific they are representative. The average HS kid benches about 120 lbs (not football here, just HS kids in general over four grades). Only about 15% - 20% of HS kids lift so it makes it hard to get a high percentage that are benching or squating big numbers.

OK, that makes a lot more sense if you take into account ALL high school kids. Doesn't really make it applicable to this argument, though.

[eagle43]

For a kid that's 6'4 and 202 lbs, a 225 bench isn't that much. I play highschool football, and yes, lineman do need the bench the most because they need upperbody strength for pass and run blocking. But it does help for backs and recievers to have upperbody strength for getting things like seperation if you're not fast enough(not sure if they have the 5 yard contact rule for football in college like the do in the pros) and for stiff-arming people. And I do realize it's not as important as the other lifts, but a 200 lb kid should be able to bench more than 225.

[Grizcat]

Bozone, so you should know about weight training, but when you start off with a comment like you did about meathead coaches you are immediately isolating ALL coaches because of how you made the statement. And when you isolate a group then anything you say, no matter HOW INTELLIGENT, will not be taken seriously by that group. So as someone who should know, what is your opinion on the value of the bench press?

[BozoneCat]

I wasn't isolating all coaches, or at least I wasn't meaning to. The coaches I meant are the ones who are not certified, of which there are plenty. If that is the way it came across, then I apologize.

As to my opinion of the bench press, well, I think it is probably the single best lift to gauge upper body strength and explosive power. That said, I don't put near as much value into how many times someone can lift a weight one time, but I place much higher value on a person's eight-rep max. Even better when comparing person to person, is how many times a person can bench his body weight.

Honestly, I think some coaches place way too much value on all of these values. Sure, they have some relevance and are good to look at when you are comparing hundreds of kids across the country, but I think sometimes a player's football skills can get lost in all that. Some coaches will take a guy who runs a 4.4-40 but is pretty raw over a kid who runs a 4.6 but is all over the field (hello Kane Ioane). Personally, I'll take the football player every day of the week. Anyone watching Bob Sanders play safety for the Colts right now?

[mslacat]

Found on the net
Ht: 6-0
Wt: 180
40 yard - 4.6
Bench Max 230 lbs (NOW IS THIS ANY BETTER FOR YOU GUYS?)
Squat Max 360 lbs

The other player who is getting recruiting attention from Sylmar, Calif., is quarterback/safety John Austin (6-0, 180, 4.6). As outstanding as C.J. Gable was for Sylmar, Austin may get the team's MVP.


John Austin is one to watch over the last two months of recruiting.
"Everybody knows we have C.J., but John is had a MVP type season," Sylmar coach London Woodfin said. "We wouldn't have been as good without him."

"Oregon called last week," Woodfin said. "They're recruiting him but they have a couple guys ahead on their chart, but if they fall through the Ducks could go on him."

"Idaho State and Montana State are recruiting John real hard," Woodfin said. "Idaho State are coming back for the second week in row."

"It's a mystery to me why John is flying under the radar," Woodfin said. "He has size, he's rangy and he's very athletic."

"It is a good thing that his recruitment has begun to pick up," Woodfin said. "Someone going to get a very good player."

Austin had an outstanding senior season on both sides of the ball. As a quarterback, Austin threw for 1,493 yards and 19 touchdowns. He also rushed for 345 yards and had six rushing touchdowns.

On defense, Austin racked up 33 tackles and had five interceptions.

[grizzh8r]

Found on the net
Ht: 6-0
Wt: 180
40 yard - 4.6
Bench Max 230 lbs (NOW IS THIS ANY BETTER FOR YOU GUYS?)
Squat Max 360 lbs

The other player who is getting recruiting attention from Sylmar, Calif., is quarterback/safety John Austin (6-0, 180, 4.6). As outstanding as C.J. Gable was for Sylmar, Austin may get the team's MVP.


John Austin is one to watch over the last two months of recruiting.
"Everybody knows we have C.J., but John is had a MVP type season," Sylmar coach London Woodfin said. "We wouldn't have been as good without him."

"Oregon called last week," Woodfin said. "They're recruiting him but they have a couple guys ahead on their chart, but if they fall through the Ducks could go on him."

"Idaho State and Montana State are recruiting John real hard," Woodfin said. "Idaho State are coming back for the second week in row."

"It's a mystery to me why John is flying under the radar," Woodfin said. "He has size, he's rangy and he's very athletic."

"It is a good thing that his recruitment has begun to pick up," Woodfin said. "Someone going to get a very good player."

Austin had an outstanding senior season on both sides of the ball. As a quarterback, Austin threw for 1,493 yards and 19 touchdowns. He also rushed for 345 yards and had six rushing touchdowns.

On defense, Austin racked up 33 tackles and had five interceptions.

This guy sounds like a great prospect at safety. Looks like the DD type of player. Undersized at 6', 180, but able to play QB well. Would be a good get IMO.

[mslacat]

found on the net:

Poway high running back Brandon Sullivan is still in the mist of sorting out his college future. Sullivan has been a busy man in the month of December, making his 3rd recruiting trip this month to Boise State. The 5-foot-10, 210 pound tailback recently returned from his recruiting trip Sunday night and by all accounts, things went well. Sullivan compared it favorably to his trips to Colordo State on the December 2nd and San Diego State last weekend.



Last time we spoke, Sullivan had scholarship offers from Boise State, James Madison, San Diego State, Colorado State, Duke, Montana State and Cal Poly. You can also add the University of Maryland to mix, as they recently extended a scholarship offer last week. Sullivan claims a current top 5 of San Diego State, Colorado State, Boise State, Boston College and Maryland.

With the recent coaching change at San Diego State, Sullivan claims the Aztecs are still very much in the picture. "I talk to coach (LeCharles) McDaniel every other day. He is a great guy and I have developed a good friendship with him. There is a strong possiblity that if he is retained that I will play for San Diego State," he confessed.

"I took a recruiting trip out there last week and I liked it. It was kind of awkward though becasue the coaches were kind of unsure if they were comming back. Overall, I had a pretty good time."

Sullivan was named the Palomar League MVP after rushing for 1,556 yards and 24 touchdowns this season. He also recorded 60 tackles at defensive back. Sullivan was also notified by his coaches on Sunday that he was named to the first team Breitbard All-CIF team.

"I'm a tough guy, I like to get after it and hit people," Sullivan expressed. "That is just fun for me. I run hard and really know how to make you miss in the open field.

"I'm not like those super fast kids but I can play and I'm fast enough. I can play just about any skill position and do well at it. I have a lot of power."