Swogger a Bobcat?????

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:03 pm

barechestcat wrote:
BobcatLionFan wrote:
longhorn_22 wrote:So what is this going to be like with Selle and Swogger at UM. Selle did say they told him he has a good chance of starting next year, which was a reason he chose UM. Both can't start and if Selle does, what will Swogger do?
Selle in choosing UM was a little silly. First, if their returning freshman starting QB actually starts again next year as a Soph, then Selle will not see the field until his red-shirt Junior year, if then. And the Soph has a huge advantage going through spring practice while Selle is going to his senior prom. Selle just isn't going to come into 2-a-days and win the job without knowing the offense.

Coaches ALWAYS tell someone like that that they have a chance of starting. They say, we'll give you a chance and it sounds like he believed it?? That doesn't happen at QB often, other positions, yes, QB, no.

Selle has to hope that Swogger comes in for one year, then he can red-shirt and have a very good chance to start the next year with competition that spring. His choice was a little off with the UM QB position of a Freshman starting this year. (Even though he had a rough year, he was only a freshman, took them to the playoffs and BSC title and will get better and better).
BobcatLionFan,
First off, let me state that I appreciate the logic that accompanies your posts.
As to Swogger, while I see him as an accomplished athlete in his own right (he started for a Pac10 school for goodness sakes), I honestly don't see him being the right type of quarterback for our system. Maybe I'm equating our "system" with the style of play that Travis had the last four years. But, a pure drop back passer with very questionable/limited movement ability does not seem to be what we should be looking for. In looking at his stats from when he was a starter, it doesn't appear that he was all that accurate. Or, he made questionable reads/passes due to his high number of INT's. IMO, we need accuracy over a cannon-for-an-arm quarterback. I also like that Carpenter has shown the ability to take off and get yards with his feet when necessary. And, I've heard that he's a better overall passer then TL was. If we give him the ability to shake some of his cobwebs off in the first couple of games, I really think he can lead the team.

This is not to say that I don't think we should close our eyes/minds to the possibility of a transfer quarterback. I just don't see Swogger being the right fit.

Good point. It would make it easier on Swogger having Groves and our OL, but you are right. Our offense in the past couple years has changed to match Travis' abilities. He will be tough to replace.

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:34 pm

barechestcat wrote:As to Swogger, while I see him as an accomplished athlete in his own right (he started for a Pac10 school for goodness sakes), I honestly don't see him being the right type of quarterback for our system. Maybe I'm equating our "system" with the style of play that Travis had the last four years. But, a pure drop back passer with very questionable/limited movement ability does not seem to be what we should be looking for. In looking at his stats from when he was a starter, it doesn't appear that he was all that accurate. Or, he made questionable reads/passes due to his high number of INT's. IMO, we need accuracy over a cannon-for-an-arm quarterback. I also like that Carpenter has shown the ability to take off and get yards with his feet when necessary. And, I've heard that he's a better overall passer then TL was. If we give him the ability to shake some of his cobwebs off in the first couple of games, I really think he can lead the team.

This is not to say that I don't think we should close our eyes/minds to the possibility of a transfer quarterback. I just don't see Swogger being the right fit.

Very valid points, all of them

Helcat72 · Post by **Helcat72** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:51 pm

grizindahouse wrote:Quast, I know, but so many things can happen, and if Selle is that confident in his abilities, I am not sure any QB on the Griz roster has him thinking he is that far off.

So what do they have now? Seven QB's and Selle makes 8? Looks like they need to have a garage sale. They ought to invite the whole Frontier conference in for an auction! I'm sure they need to go out and recruit another two or three, maybe Larson, Swogger, Leaf and a couple of freshmen from out of state!

grizindahouse · Post by **grizindahouse** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:04 pm

HelCat, the qb's the Griz have on scholarship are JW, Cole, and Stapp.......that looks like 3 to me. Selle will be on scholarship, and from what I have heard, JW is planning on leaving the program. This means 3 scholarship qb's, a FR, a RFR, and a RSO. My understanding is that the staff is looking to bring in a transfer upperclassman also. That makes 4 scholarship qb's for next year. Not quite 8.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:25 pm

Griz fans are starting to slobber all over themselves that they have cinched Swogger and that we are now overcome by jealousy

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:30 pm

catamaran wrote:Griz fans are starting to slobber all over themselves that they have cinched Swogger and that we are now overcome by jealousy

Of course they are. What did you expect? It wasn't that big of a deal when the word was that he was coming here, but now that he will probably go there it's like he is a god.

anacondagriz · Post by **anacondagriz** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:46 pm

longhorn_22 wrote:
catamaran wrote:Griz fans are starting to slobber all over themselves that they have cinched Swogger and that we are now overcome by jealousy
Of course they are. What did you expect? It wasn't that big of a deal when the word was that he was coming here, but now that he will probably go there it's like he is a god.

I think that there a lot of Griz fans who don't really care if we get Swogger. He would only be here for a year 1st of all. 2nd why not keep developing Cole or give Stapp a chance. Finally if we keep going for drop downs why would a high school kid come to UM when he is not going to get a chance to play. I don't think our late season collapse had as much to do w/Cole as it did w/our O-Line sucking & our receivers not getting open. Not much Swogger would be able to do w/those 2 problems.

catamaran · Post by **catamaran** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:48 pm

I think that's the take most Cat fans have as well, why blow a scholly on a guy who's only going to be here one year when there are other things that are more important. If either team was that one piece away from a NC I could see why you'd do it

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:56 pm

anacondagriz wrote:
longhorn_22 wrote:
catamaran wrote:Griz fans are starting to slobber all over themselves that they have cinched Swogger and that we are now overcome by jealousy
Of course they are. What did you expect? It wasn't that big of a deal when the word was that he was coming here, but now that he will probably go there it's like he is a god.
I think that there a lot of Griz fans who don't really care if we get Swogger. He would only be here for a year 1st of all. 2nd why not keep developing Cole or give Stapp a chance. Finally if we keep going for drop downs why would a high school kid come to UM when he is not going to get a chance to play. I don't think our late season collapse had as much to do w/Cole as it did w/our O-Line sucking & our receivers not getting open. Not much Swogger would be able to do w/those 2 problems.

that was always my take too, and you can read my posts. i just dont see this guys as being that good. although, i'm sure griz guys are gonna tell me i'd be singing a different tune if we landed him, you can read my posts and see that this is not the case. if anything, i am glad that the griz landed him so we can stop talking about where he's going. CAN THIS THRED PLEASE DIE NOW?

083190 · Post by **083190** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:59 pm

give Carpenter the keys! He's been loyal for 3 years and earned a shot.

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:06 pm

catamaran wrote:Griz fans are starting to slobber all over themselves that they have cinched Swogger and that we are now overcome by jealousy

If he feels it's a little too far to Bozeman and obviously closer to Missoula, I wonder how he'll feel about Cheney.

Congrats Beavis, you were busting through snow drifts and those crazy adverse weather conditions to go visit Swogger and he was in awe over that.

Swogger will go to EWU in my opinion.

Devlan · Post by **Devlan** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:24 pm

Check my math:

Pullman to Missoula = 272 miles

Pullman to Cheney = 67 miles

Swogger = male

Swogger's wife = female

Sex > Football

Wife in Pullman = Swogger to Cheney