Punt recovery?

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:38 am

How can the refs miss that call when that punt hit that griz player and we recovered it? They need to get into position to make the calls and quit missing them. It happens every week. I hope they get better with that next year.

Bozgriz · Post by **Bozgriz** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:49 am

I was told by a couple of Cat fans that the ruling was the Griz player was blocked into the ball by a Cat player and thus it is not a fumble...I couldn't see it, nor do I know the rule. Anybody know for sure?

profisme · Post by **profisme** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 12:05 pm

The play happened right in front of me and the ball clearly hit the Griz player in the back before Jason Gathing engaged in any sort of block with him. Then Gathing fell on the ball and it should have been the Cats' ball. It was a very poor call although it didn't cost the Cats the game this time like it very well could have. I am not sure if the rule states that if a player is "blocked" into the ball if it is live or not, however, that would not have been the case anyway.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:23 pm

the player was running sideways/backwords and it clearly hit him in the back of the leg. To say he was blocked into him is just Stupidity by the ref. Another blown call by the Big Sky Refs.

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:25 pm

The player was pushed into the ball and the refs made the proper call.

Now the 'Cats whine about the refs in victories. If one believes the 'Cat fans, BSC refs spend weeks scheming how to cheat the 'Cats before each game.

CelticCat · Post by **CelticCat** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:26 pm

Just because we won doesn't mean the refs don't suck.

We are tired of bad reffing, no matter how even it is or if we win. I'm sick of bush league refs.

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:27 pm

theblackgecko wrote:The player was pushed into the ball and the refs made the proper call.

Now the 'Cats whine about the refs in victories. If one believes the 'Cat fans, BSC refs spend weeks scheming how to cheat the 'Cats before each game.

Take a look at the film and you will see. I've watched it 5-7 times already and the guy wasn't even touched (he was actually running way from Gathing

I would too

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El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:29 pm

gecko, that rule is designed to prevent cover teams from intentionally shoving a receiver into/onto the ball as it is rolling dead; although I realize they used this rule to CREATE their call, the Griz player was engaged with the Bobcat player and NEITHER of them even knew it was there.

In other words, while the Cat and Griz player MAY HAVE been blocking each other at the time the ball struck the Griz player, the Cat player clearly DID NOT block the Griz INTO the ball intentionally, which is what the rule was designed to prevent.

Bottom line: It was a WEAK call by the refs and I'm sorry but I don't excuse horrible calls by refs just because my team wins; they're still bad calls. I'm just glad it didn't hurt us.

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:32 pm

theblackgecko wrote:The player was pushed into the ball and the refs made the proper call.

Now the 'Cats whine about the refs in victories. If one believes the 'Cat fans, BSC refs spend weeks scheming how to cheat the 'Cats before each game.

Nothing to say Gecko?

grizzh8r · Post by **grizzh8r** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:24 pm

Yep, the refs made a glaring bad call, but the only one. However, I do feel this was the best game in regards to officiating in a long time. They let the players play. It was a physical game, and they called it that way. I really must commend the officials on a well-officiated game.

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:39 am

El Gato... solid explanation and right on. The question becomes did the block by the Bobcat player cause the contact with the ball. I think the Griz blocker would have bumped/kicked the ball regardless of the contact by Gaithing. But the contact was made just prior to the touch and it becomes a judgement call by the official as to whether the contact by Gaithing caused the Griz blocker to run into the ball. I thinked the official missed that one.... but if you noticed the official also went down in the mud so may not have seen the entire play... it happened in the blink of an eye... and there may have been mud in the officials eye!

vike_king · Post by **vike_king** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 11:51 am

CatFamily wrote:El Gato... solid explanation and right on. The question becomes did the block by the Bobcat player cause the contact with the ball. I think the Griz blocker would have bumped/kicked the ball regardless of the contact by Gaithing. But the contact was made just prior to the touch and it becomes a judgement call by the official as to whether the contact by Gaithing caused the Griz blocker to run into the ball. I thinked the official missed that one.... but if you noticed the official also went down in the mud so may not have seen the entire play... it happened in the blink of an eye... and there may have been mud in the officials eye!

All the refs around the play were ready to give the ball to the Bobcats, it was some little twerp with x-ray vision who came in from across the field to make the call.....amazing. Refs are human and will miss plays, like our cheap shot on whats-his-face, but to make a questionable call while way out of position is horrendous.

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:32 pm

Yep... would have to agree that making a decisive call on a play from the "north forty" is about as dumb and as bad as it gets. Not sure who was the official making the argument to change the call. They did do one thing right... they got together to at least discuss it to "try" to get it right... but it was a huge call at that time of the game...

CatFamily · Post by **CatFamily** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:33 pm

Vik King... what was the "cheap shot" you are speakin of? Looking on egriz there was a lot of discussion on Mullen taking a swing at a Cat on the play right after the call? Several Griz fans were the ones saying they saw it.

vike_king · Post by **vike_king** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:41 pm

CatFamily wrote:Vik King... what was the "cheap shot" you are speakin of? Looking on egriz there was a lot of discussion on Mullen taking a swing at a Cat on the play right after the call? Several Griz fans were the ones saying they saw it.

When our O-lineman clipped #99 after a pass play was over, it knocked him out of the game for a while. I saw some references earlier about being part of the game and all but, that was a little much.

I was amazed after seeing the replay that it wasn't called at least a clip, the guy was STANDING alone in the middle of the field when he was hit.

DONTWANNABE24 · Post by **DONTWANNABE24** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:50 pm

profisme wrote:The play happened right in front of me and the ball clearly hit the Griz player in the back before Jason Gathing engaged in any sort of block with him. Then Gathing fell on the ball and it should have been the Cats' ball. It was a very poor call although it didn't cost the Cats the game this time like it very well could have. I am not sure if the rule states that if a player is "blocked" into the ball if it is live or not, however, that would not have been the case anyway.

BECOME AN OFFICIAL!!! You will have to start at the elementary level first, but with everything I have read and with the knowledge it appears you have, should not take you any time to move up

GOOD LUCK--Always looking for officials.

profisme · Post by **profisme** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:43 pm

Dontwannabe,

I am hoping you are being sarcastic. Simply put, the call was blown and there is a reason Kramer showed more emotion on that one call than he did all year long. I do think the majority of that game was well refereed, with the exception of a few late hits not called and that one major blown call. If by your post you are implying that I have been ripping the refs for anything other than that one call on Saturday, you would be incorrect.