Kusek: Kramer vrs Hauck job search

elkmcc · Post by **elkmcc** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:48 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
elkmcc wrote:
mslacat wrote: I keep pounding this point so I think no body really cares, Hauck/Kramer are two of the most highly paid, visable state employees in Montana. If someone asks them are you looking at a job here, I expect them to be honest and straight forward with us.
Following your line of thinking then, am I correct to assume that it would be nothing less than appropriate for the people of Montana to scrutinize the incoming MSU recruits? I for one would certainly like to know who Kramer is planning on bringing into my home state. Considering the track record I think that would also be prudent.
I think that already happens on each letter of intent day. It's just that the only biographical facts that most people care to comment about tend to lean more towards football stats and body measurements.

Come on BAC your not that nieve are you? The people of Montana hear about the signing of student athletes after the fact. My guess is someone is going to look just a little closer at Mike Kramer's wish list of recruits from now on though. I really doubt the gangsta theme will fly at all next season, that's for sure.

crimsonfacedbobcat · Post by **crimsonfacedbobcat** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 6:49 pm

I was hoping that we'd finally be rid of Kramer, actually. With the recent arrests (again), I'm assuming that he's willing (if not entirely able) to address apparent cultural dysfunction that plagues the team?

How many more Bobcats (receiving financial aid in the name of the people of the great state of Montana) need to get arrested before it's okay to talk about Kramer and Fields getting fired?

I don't mean that as a rhetorical question...I'm wondering how the Bobcat Nation quantifies this issue....to say nothing of how much confidence the BN has in Kramer's ability to reign in some his recruits?

Post by **SonomaCat** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:07 pm

elkmcc wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
elkmcc wrote:
mslacat wrote: I keep pounding this point so I think no body really cares, Hauck/Kramer are two of the most highly paid, visable state employees in Montana. If someone asks them are you looking at a job here, I expect them to be honest and straight forward with us.
Following your line of thinking then, am I correct to assume that it would be nothing less than appropriate for the people of Montana to scrutinize the incoming MSU recruits? I for one would certainly like to know who Kramer is planning on bringing into my home state. Considering the track record I think that would also be prudent.
I think that already happens on each letter of intent day. It's just that the only biographical facts that most people care to comment about tend to lean more towards football stats and body measurements.
Come on BAC your not that nieve are you? The people of Montana hear about the signing of student athletes after the fact. My guess is someone is going to look just a little closer at Mike Kramer's wish list of recruits from now on though. I really doubt the gangsta theme will fly at all next season, that's for sure.

Oh ... I didn't realize you were advocating/suggesting that the entire state of Montana take part in evaluating each recruit during the recruiting process and approving them prior to them signing with MSU. You're right, that doesn't happen.

But my point stands that middle-aged men are talking a whole lot more about the physiques of high school boys during recruiting (and particularly on signing day, when the recruits are announced) than they are about whether they are nice guys. Men are very visual, you know.

Cat in NC · Post by **Cat in NC** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 7:55 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
elkmcc wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
elkmcc wrote:
mslacat wrote: I keep pounding this point so I think no body really cares, Hauck/Kramer are two of the most highly paid, visable state employees in Montana. If someone asks them are you looking at a job here, I expect them to be honest and straight forward with us.
Following your line of thinking then, am I correct to assume that it would be nothing less than appropriate for the people of Montana to scrutinize the incoming MSU recruits? I for one would certainly like to know who Kramer is planning on bringing into my home state. Considering the track record I think that would also be prudent.
I think that already happens on each letter of intent day. It's just that the only biographical facts that most people care to comment about tend to lean more towards football stats and body measurements.
Come on BAC your not that nieve are you? The people of Montana hear about the signing of student athletes after the fact. My guess is someone is going to look just a little closer at Mike Kramer's wish list of recruits from now on though. I really doubt the gangsta theme will fly at all next season, that's for sure.
Oh ... I didn't realize you were advocating/suggesting that the entire state of Montana take part in evaluating each recruit during the recruiting process and approving them prior to them signing with MSU. You're right, that doesn't happen.

But my point stands that middle-aged men are talking a whole lot more about the physiques of high school boys during recruiting (and particularly on signing day, when the recruits are announced) than they are about whether they are nice guys. Men are very visual, you know.

I just died a little inside...

083190 · Post by **083190** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:26 pm

elkmcc wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
elkmcc wrote:
mslacat wrote: I keep pounding this point so I think no body really cares, Hauck/Kramer are two of the most highly paid, visable state employees in Montana. If someone asks them are you looking at a job here, I expect them to be honest and straight forward with us.
Following your line of thinking then, am I correct to assume that it would be nothing less than appropriate for the people of Montana to scrutinize the incoming MSU recruits? I for one would certainly like to know who Kramer is planning on bringing into my home state. Considering the track record I think that would also be prudent.
I think that already happens on each letter of intent day. It's just that the only biographical facts that most people care to comment about tend to lean more towards football stats and body measurements.
Come on BAC your not that nieve are you? The people of Montana hear about the signing of student athletes after the fact. My guess is someone is going to look just a little closer at Mike Kramer's wish list of recruits from now on though. I really doubt the gangsta theme will fly at all next season, that's for sure.

nieve? wasn't she the actress that kissed Denise Richards in the movie "Wild Things" and starred in Party of Five?

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:38 pm

crimsonfacedbobcat wrote:I was hoping that we'd finally be rid of Kramer, actually. With the recent arrests (again), I'm assuming that he's willing (if not entirely able) to address apparent cultural dysfunction that plagues the team?

How many more Bobcats (receiving financial aid in the name of the people of the great state of Montana) need to get arrested before it's okay to talk about Kramer and Fields getting fired?

I don't mean that as a rhetorical question...I'm wondering how the Bobcat Nation quantifies this issue....to say nothing of how much confidence the BN has in Kramer's ability to reign in some his recruits?

You're no more a Bobcat than the last fizz that signed up--take your vent elsewhere.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:25 pm

Leave for a few hours and all the Kramer/Cat-haters that were on the Blgs Grizette Blog have come over here. Unfortunately we'll never be able to explain this stuff to you, because a prerequisite of the last 100 years of civil rights is needed. Please enroll in kindergarden (that's the grade before first grade) and come back in 13-17-19-21 years. Maybe we could learn from you by then.

elkmcc · Post by **elkmcc** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:36 pm

083190 wrote:
elkmcc wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
elkmcc wrote:
mslacat wrote: I keep pounding this point so I think no body really cares, Hauck/Kramer are two of the most highly paid, visable state employees in Montana. If someone asks them are you looking at a job here, I expect them to be honest and straight forward with us.
Following your line of thinking then, am I correct to assume that it would be nothing less than appropriate for the people of Montana to scrutinize the incoming MSU recruits? I for one would certainly like to know who Kramer is planning on bringing into my home state. Considering the track record I think that would also be prudent.
I think that already happens on each letter of intent day. It's just that the only biographical facts that most people care to comment about tend to lean more towards football stats and body measurements.
Come on BAC your not that nieve are you? The people of Montana hear about the signing of student athletes after the fact. My guess is someone is going to look just a little closer at Mike Kramer's wish list of recruits from now on though. I really doubt the gangsta theme will fly at all next season, that's for sure.
nieve? wasn't she the actress that kissed Denise Richards in the movie "Wild Things" and starred in Party of Five?

"Nieve” is actually the Spanish word for “snow" but I didn't want to come across as being disrespectful to the moderator.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 9:48 pm

If the snow reference had been intentional, it might almost be funny ... in a very dark and frustrating sort of on-topic way.

elkmcc · Post by **elkmcc** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 12:10 am

Bay Area Cat wrote:If the snow reference had been intentional, it might almost be funny ... in a very dark and frustrating sort of on-topic way.

Pundits are a dime a dozen on these football boards.. Oops there I go with the dark stuff again. Honestly, I only do it for the pun of it.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:21 am

Yeah, BAC, you're snow. Haha. Get it? I'm going to use that one a lot. I hit the bars last night, but there wasn't anything but a bunch of snows out, so I just went home. Snows are worse than rains and sleet. Hails are the worst though. I saw a wind working at Wendy's.

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:10 am

elkmcc wrote:
mslacat wrote: I keep pounding this point so I think no body really cares, Hauck/Kramer are two of the most highly paid, visable state employees in Montana. If someone asks them are you looking at a job here, I expect them to be honest and straight forward with us.
Following your line of thinking then, am I correct to assume that it would be nothing less than appropriate for the people of Montana to scrutinize the incoming MSU recruits? I for one would certainly like to know who Kramer is planning on bringing into my home state. Considering the track record I think that would also be prudent.

Why not run a background check on incoming recruits/transfers? Maybe that's already being done, I don't know. I know that in my kids' sports, ALL the coaches, and in some cases, the team managers, have to submit to, and pass background checks.

Cat_gld · Post by **Cat_gld** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:14 am

elkmcc wrote:
mslacat wrote: I keep pounding this point so I think no body really cares, Hauck/Kramer are two of the most highly paid, visable state employees in Montana. If someone asks them are you looking at a job here, I expect them to be honest and straight forward with us.
Following your line of thinking then, am I correct to assume that it would be nothing less than appropriate for the people of Montana to scrutinize the incoming MSU recruits? I for one would certainly like to know who Kramer is planning on bringing into my home state. Considering the track record I think that would also be prudent.

Hey elky, are you some kind of guardhouse lawyer? Kramer has an honest and successful track record as both as a coach and teacher. I think you're confusing the issue by naming Kramer as an accomplice to the misdeeds of a very few others of which there is no proof or reason to even speculate. By your silly-assed logic, one home grown, recently retired basketball coach should be run out of the state on a rail because he recruited a couple of the alleged evil doers. I also direct this post to a small number of cat fans who would like to dump this whole matter on Kramer's lap.

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:41 am

GOKATS wrote: You're no more a Bobcat than the last fizz that signed up--take your vent elsewhere.

GOKATS, is your job on BN to determine who is and isn't a Bobcat fan?

I have noticed that has become a regular theme in your recent posts.

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 10:47 am

Bleedinbluengold wrote: Why not run a background check on incoming recruits/transfers? Maybe that's already being done, I don't know. I know that in my kids' sports, ALL the coaches, and in some cases, the team managers, have to submit to, and pass background checks.

You really can't get information on a person until they turn 18. On transfers you might get background information for a couple of years (each year that they are over 18), but I really don't think you would find out all that much. You really would be better off speaking to teachers and other faculty members to find out information about a recruit (coaches can really only tell you about the player not the person).

Bleedinbluengold · Post by **Bleedinbluengold** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:01 am

The Butcher wrote:
Bleedinbluengold wrote: Why not run a background check on incoming recruits/transfers? Maybe that's already being done, I don't know. I know that in my kids' sports, ALL the coaches, and in some cases, the team managers, have to submit to, and pass background checks.
You really can't get information on a person until they turn 18. On transfers you might get background information for a couple of years (each year that they are over 18), but I really don't think you would find out all that much. You really would be better off speaking to teachers and other faculty members to find out information about a recruit (coaches can really only tell you about the player not the person).

Good point...

BobcatOninetails · Post by **BobcatOninetails** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:21 am

Bleedinbluengold wrote:
elkmcc wrote:
mslacat wrote: I keep pounding this point so I think no body really cares, Hauck/Kramer are two of the most highly paid, visable state employees in Montana. If someone asks them are you looking at a job here, I expect them to be honest and straight forward with us.
Following your line of thinking then, am I correct to assume that it would be nothing less than appropriate for the people of Montana to scrutinize the incoming MSU recruits? I for one would certainly like to know who Kramer is planning on bringing into my home state. Considering the track record I think that would also be prudent.
Why not run a background check on incoming recruits/transfers? Maybe that's already being done, I don't know. I know that in my kids' sports, ALL the coaches, and in some cases, the team managers, have to submit to, and pass background checks.

elkie, are you actually serious with this line of crap? Kramer can bring in whoever he feels fits the program the best and meets the recruiting requirements. It not any of your business. This dung coming from you and those losers on the gazette blog is totally ridiculous.

Does coach roberta know what his players are doing at every moment? Does he/she make every decision for them? Have any players on the team EVER used drugs? Are they freeking perfect?

Maybe the regents should pass a rule that ALL players must be state residents. Would that make you happy?

I would rant more about what the underlying theme of your posts really are, but the mods stopped those earlier and rightfully so.

You worry about whats going on in grizzlyville. Those of us loyal to the greatest institution of higher learning west of the Mississippi aka Montana State University,will worry about whats going on here. You're the kind of griz fan that makes me proud and happy I chose MSU over protest university.

GOKATS · Post by **GOKATS** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 11:50 am

The Butcher wrote:
GOKATS wrote: You're no more a Bobcat than the last fizz that signed up--take your vent elsewhere.
GOKATS, is your job on BN to determine who is and isn't a Bobcat fan?

I have noticed that has become a regular theme in your recent posts.

Hell no it's not my job, but recently there has been a rash of new posters who make one or two rants and are never heard from again. They're like kids with a new toy, once the novelty wears off it isn't fun anymore.