"The call"

farmcats · Post by **farmcats** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 7:52 pm

The other night the so called bad call in the end zone was on the Sports News ( don’t remember what station), I believe it was Tuesday night. The play was ran in slow motion and close up. It looked like the ball and the defender arrived at the same time, with the ball just getting into Jefferson’s hands. He never really had possession of the ball before the defender took it from his hands.
At the time I was just as upset about the call as everyone else. Jefferson had beaten the corner back and it was had to believe any defender could have gotten to the ball. From the clip it looked like a great play on the part of the defender and I hate to say this, but a good call by the official

cat_man_08 · Post by **cat_man_08** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 8:14 pm

I totally agree, that was a very nice call and a great play by the corner. But still Jefferson should have probably been able to rip it away from the corner, there is no way that he is stronger then Jefferson.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 9:02 pm

Do we have a couple new griz fans in disguise onboard?

I've seen the replay as well and from my perspective, Jefferson has BOTH hands on the ball AND one foot down in the endzone BEFORE the DB has both hands on the ball. INSTANT TD; whatever happens after that is moot.

couloir41 · Post by **couloir41** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:41 pm

i saw the call from about seventy yards away and i could clearly see it was a touchdown...angle is everything...ok maybe i could not be certain...however...a co-worker who is a former football official said he saw the catch and the defensive back working for and coming up with the ball...and he has watched the replay...he said as far as he was concerned the corner was hand fighting for a dead ball because it was a touchdown...

PapaG · Post by **PapaG** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:04 pm

El_Gato wrote:

Do we have a couple new griz fans in disguise onboard?

I've seen the replay as well and from my perspective, Jefferson has BOTH hands on the ball AND one foot down in the endzone BEFORE the DB has both hands on the ball. INSTANT TD; whatever happens after that is moot.

More like a couple of BSC refs in disguise onboard.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:49 am

Cat in NC · Post by **Cat in NC** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 6:53 am

Hmmmmm, farmcats starts with an F. Just like Fullerton...

Coincidence? Have you ever seen farmcats and Fullerton in the same room together? Me neither.

bobcatmaniac · Post by **bobcatmaniac** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 7:04 am

PapaG wrote:
El_Gato wrote:

Do we have a couple new griz fans in disguise onboard?

I've seen the replay as well and from my perspective, Jefferson has BOTH hands on the ball AND one foot down in the endzone BEFORE the DB has both hands on the ball. INSTANT TD; whatever happens after that is moot.
More like a couple of BSC refs in disguise onboard.

You hit the nail on the head with that one

CARDIAC_CATS · Post by **CARDIAC_CATS** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:57 am

El_Gato wrote:

Do we have a couple new griz fans in disguise onboard?

I've seen the replay as well and from my perspective, Jefferson has BOTH hands on the ball AND one foot down in the endzone BEFORE the DB has both hands on the ball. INSTANT TD; whatever happens after that is moot.

Two hands on ball and secured ... 1 foot (actually 2) feet down ... INSTANT TD. I have it on TIVO and have watched it many times. Very obvious Jefferson had control and feet down. What happens after that occurs doesn't matter. Antonio Gates of the Chargers had one like that last year that the Refs called a TD as the play stops once control and feet down occurs.

mchammer · Post by **mchammer** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:06 am

I watched the replay carefully and I only saw a TD. That's how it looked at the game also. The official couldn't see it because he was in the wrong position without a view of the receiver's hands catching the ball. It was amazing how the defender stripped the ball so fast because his hands were actually moving the wrong way when the ball was caught. I'm not surprised that Jefferson didn't struggle harder to keep the ball. I'm sure it registered as a TD in his mind. But it's all part of the game.

Mike Carignan

catatac · Post by **catatac** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:04 am

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
El_Gato wrote:

Do we have a couple new griz fans in disguise onboard?

I've seen the replay as well and from my perspective, Jefferson has BOTH hands on the ball AND one foot down in the endzone BEFORE the DB has both hands on the ball. INSTANT TD; whatever happens after that is moot.
Two hands on ball and secured ... 1 foot (actually 2) feet down ... INSTANT TD. I have it on TIVO and have watched it many times. Very obvious Jefferson had control and feet down. What happens after that occurs doesn't matter. Antonio Gates of the Chargers had one like that last year that the Refs called a TD as the play stops once control and feet down occurs.

Can you, or anyone else post a clip of the play? I'm dying to see it again just to make sure it was a blatant wrong call...

The_Bobcats_Suck · Post by **The_Bobcats_Suck** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 11:34 am

CARDIAC_CATS wrote:
El_Gato wrote:

Do we have a couple new griz fans in disguise onboard?

I've seen the replay as well and from my perspective, Jefferson has BOTH hands on the ball AND one foot down in the endzone BEFORE the DB has both hands on the ball. INSTANT TD; whatever happens after that is moot.
Two hands on ball and secured ... 1 foot (actually 2) feet down ... INSTANT TD. I have it on TIVO and have watched it many times. Very obvious Jefferson had control and feet down. What happens after that occurs doesn't matter. Antonio Gates of the Chargers had one like that last year that the Refs called a TD as the play stops once control and feet down occurs.

There lies the problem. You have the luxury of TIVO. The Ref does not. I too watched this play live and would have not wanted to make the call. It was a tough call folks!

Man, you guys are digging the hole even deeper. Quit whining about it. I wish a few of the Big Sky Refs would gander over to this board. There might be a lot of holding calls during Griz/Cat on the Kittens.

catsrback76 · Post by **catsrback76** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:33 pm

This call was closer than it should have been. It was called the wrong way BECAUSE Jefferson got out hustled on the ball. I better not see that in the Griz game our I sit him on my fantasy team...

and he goes to classes earlier than he wanted.

El_Gato · Post by **El_Gato** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:45 pm

The_Bobcats_Suck wrote:...There lies the problem. You have the luxury of TIVO. The Ref does not. I too watched this play live and would have not wanted to make the call. It was a tough call folks...

EXACTLY!! It WAS a tough call; so why is it then that the ref CLOSEST to the play signals touchdown while a ref farther away runs in & overrules? I thought refs generally swallow their whistles/limit their calls in the closing stages of close games. There is no way the guy that called it an interception could have seen it clearly & and be 100% certain that it was indeed a turnover; we're arguing about it with the aid of TIVO and freeze-frames; so HOW IN THE HELL did that guy think he clearly saw a pick in those few brief seconds (or less)?

BobcatBulldog · Post by **BobcatBulldog** » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:49 pm

El_Gato wrote:
The_Bobcats_Suck wrote:...There lies the problem. You have the luxury of TIVO. The Ref does not. I too watched this play live and would have not wanted to make the call. It was a tough call folks...
EXACTLY!! It WAS a tough call; so why is it then that the ref CLOSEST to the play signals touchdown while a ref farther away runs in & overrules? I thought refs generally swallow their whistles/limit their calls in the closing stages of close games. There is no way the guy that called it an interception could have seen it clearly & and be 100% certain that it was indeed a turnover; we're arguing about it with the aid of TIVO and freeze-frames; so HOW IN THE HELL did that guy think he clearly saw a pick in those few brief seconds (or less)?

Good point
Also if its a tough call in slow motion what is the back judge doing making a call without talking to any of the other ref's. The ref who called the interception needed to get together with the other ref's and say here is what I saw. But instead he came in and made a judgment call without all the possible info, I would have a lot less problem if they grouped up and then said interception.