Kramer: Please tell Rolovich to dump off to Mason or Groves

KillintheGriz · Post by **KillintheGriz** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:09 am

Weber knew what Rolovich was going to do--throw downfield. Rolo was throwing into tight coverage--sometimes triple coverage. Ron McBride said the Cat's offense did nothing--and he was right except for three drives. How many 3 and outs did we have?

A simple remedy--dump off to Mason or Groves after Rolovich goes through his reads. I saw how wide open they were when at the stadium, but man, watching it on tape, even the camera guys were following Mason and Groves as they thought Rolovich was going to throw to them. They were WIDE OPEN so many times, the 3 and out drives would not have happened. Keep the defense honest and make them play for all passes--short and long. the long passes will then open up again. Carpenter is one dimensional on the short passes, Rolovich is one dimensional on the long passes. To win the remaining 6 games, we need to be balanced through the air. The big plays will happen. We just have to let them happen and not force the issue. How many 10-14 play drives did Lulay have? I honestly can't remember the last 10 play drive we've put together.

Nice win Cats! Just like a guided missle constantly uses negative feedback to correct its coarse, the Cats need to continually adjust and refine their gameplan until they hit the target. Teams will look at the Weber/MSU film and see how Weber stopped us. A few minor adjustments are needed.

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:10 am

Well Weber is the only school in the BSC that plays man-to-man all game long, so I don't think there will be a big issue the next couple games.

Post by **rtb** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:13 am

I agree that it looked like he was missing the RBs in the flats, but I think this was more from running out of time than anything. Rolovich couldn't even get part way through the reads and Weber State was in the backfield. The dominated our OLine on Saturday. We should have made the adjustment and made those RBs the #2 read for a while to get Weber to back off the pressure, but I think that is more of an adjustment that should have been made then Jack's fault. He took some risks going down field, but those downfield plays are the way we scored.

torrybruce · Post by **torrybruce** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:00 pm

Now don't get me wrong i fully agree with you KTG because i like a little more depth to our game, but for the longest while on this board everyone was just THROW DOWN THE FIELD...NO MORE SHORT PASSES BAILEY...and here we are now begging for Rolo to hit the little dump off. The only difference now is that Rolo's deep threat does open up the little dumps to Groves and Mason...which will pick us up some yards and first downs.

On a side note...anyone know how many catches Elliot (or the TE's combinded) had in this game. I projected 9-10 for this game and didn't get to watch any of the game.

Cat in NC · Post by **Cat in NC** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:03 pm

torrybruce wrote:Now don't get me wrong i fully agree with you KTG because i like a little more depth to our game, but for the longest while on this board everyone was just THROW DOWN THE FIELD...NO MORE SHORT PASSES BAILEY...and here we are now begging for Rolo to hit the little dump off. The only difference now is that Rolo's deep threat does open up the little dumps to Groves and Mason...which will pick us up some yards and first downs.

On a side note...anyone know how many catches Elliot (or the TE's combinded) had in this game. I projected 9-10 for this game and didn't get to watch any of the game.

I think he only had 3 (and I think that's all for our TEs).

KillintheGriz · Post by **KillintheGriz** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:40 pm

[quote="torrybruce"]Now don't get me wrong i fully agree with you KTG because i like a little more depth to our game, but for the longest while on this board everyone was just THROW DOWN THE FIELD...NO MORE SHORT PASSES BAILEY...and here we are now begging for Rolo to hit the little dump off. The only difference now is that Rolo's deep threat does open up the little dumps to Groves and Mason...which will pick us up some yards and first downs. quote]

you have to call a spade a spade. You can't always look deep when the shorter pass is there just like you can't always look short when the deeper pass is there. We have WAY TOO MANY 3 and outs that can be avoided. If we keep our offense on the field longer and have every drive having at minimum 6 plays, the big plays will come.

The Butcher · Post by **The Butcher** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 1:45 pm

Carpenter won't throw the ball deep, and Rolo won't throw the ball short. Kind of funny when you think about it.

KillintheGriz · Post by **KillintheGriz** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:36 pm

longhorn_22 wrote:Well Weber is the only school in the BSC that plays man-to-man all game long, so I don't think there will be a big issue the next couple games.

well, what about teams we'll play in the play-offs? (have to think positive that we'll win the next two games) The Griz have a great secondary. They might change things up in two weeks and play only man to man since it worked so well for Weber.

Robcat · Post by **Robcat** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:43 pm

I am not convinced that the man to man coverage by WSU was all that effective, Jefferson was open on most of the plays but for some reason Rolo would not throw to him. I would just tell Rolo to look for Jefferson and throw him the ball. Jefferson will make the big plays. Play calling should be Jefferson, Mason, Jefferson, Jefferson, Groves then repeat.

Post by **rtb** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:44 pm

The problem with playing man against us is you have to dominate on the OLine to presure the QB and you have to have stud corners and safetys. Most teams don't have Corners that can man up against Jefferson and Wheaton. I don't think many teams can/will risk playing man.

BobcatLionFan · Post by **BobcatLionFan** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:57 pm

rtb wrote:The problem with playing man against us is you have to dominate on the OLine to presure the QB and you have to have stud corners and safetys. Most teams don't have Corners that can man up against Jefferson and Wheaton. I don't think many teams can/will risk playing man.

I agree, you can't change to man on man if you don't have the players that can play that way and have been practicing that way. You have to have a stud corner on Jefferson (and WSU had a good one, but Jefferson was open multiple times). Then you have to have someone on Wheaton (who can get 100+ yards). Then you have to have a third on Lewis (who is the fastest of the three). No, I think WSU got away with Man to Man because of it being new to Jack.

Also, Groves was very rusty. He was cutting back everything, thus not getting a lot of yards. Once Groves get back into game speed, the O will function better.

I don't think either UM or NCU can come out in Man to Man and be affective. UM feels good about their D, why change, they just shutdown ISU who can pass (but possibly not outside). I think expect UM to just play really hard in their tough nosed style. Should be a great game.

DriftCat · Post by **DriftCat** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:05 pm

Robcat wrote:I am not convinced that the man to man coverage by WSU was all that effective, Jefferson was open on most of the plays but for some reason Rolo would not throw to him. I would just tell Rolo to look for Jefferson and throw him the ball. Jefferson will make the big plays. Play calling should be Jefferson, Mason, Jefferson, Jefferson, Groves then repeat.

After that onslaught I don't think the repeat would come until after the D forces a three and out.

Platinumcat · Post by **Platinumcat** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 3:13 pm

rtb wrote:I agree that it looked like he was missing the RBs in the flats, but I think this was more from running out of time than anything. Rolovich couldn't even get part way through the reads and Weber State was in the backfield. The dominated our OLine on Saturday. We should have made the adjustment and made those RBs the #2 read for a while to get Weber to back off the pressure, but I think that is more of an adjustment that should have been made then Jack's fault. He took some risks going down field, but those downfield plays are the way we scored.

This is a really big part of it for me. Rolo simply didn't have the time. I think that actually calling some screens and draws would have helped this because after WSU felt comfortable in stopping our running game, they just started bull rushing every play.

crazycat · Post by **crazycat** » Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:20 pm

BobcatLionFan wrote:
rtb wrote:The problem with playing man against us is you have to dominate on the OLine to presure the QB and you have to have stud corners and safetys. Most teams don't have Corners that can man up against Jefferson and Wheaton. I don't think many teams can/will risk playing man.
I agree, you can't change to man on man if you don't have the players that can play that way and have been practicing that way. You have to have a stud corner on Jefferson (and WSU had a good one, but Jefferson was open multiple times). Then you have to have someone on Wheaton (who can get 100+ yards). Then you have to have a third on Lewis (who is the fastest of the three). No, I think WSU got away with Man to Man because of it being new to Jack.

Also, Groves was very rusty. He was cutting back everything, thus not getting a lot of yards. Once Groves get back into game speed, the O will function better.

I don't think either UM or NCU can come out in Man to Man and be affective. UM feels good about their D, why change, they just shutdown ISU who can pass (but possibly not outside). I think expect UM to just play really hard in their tough nosed style. Should be a great game.

Bingo. Good post. Yes, Jack was out of sync due to the Man D, but once he sees himself against it on film he won't have that problem again. It was actually good for him to see it now than in the playoffs. If he encounters it again, he'll know what to do. Rolo has done very well in just 3.25 games since Cory went down he has 8 tds and just 4 ints and about 800 yards. Not too many transfers can do that right out of the gate.