Truth is...

[allcat]

I wonder if McGhee lists Ash as a reference on his resume?

I doubt it.

Why not, do you think he would give the kid a bad one?

[LongTimeCatFan]

I wonder if McGhee lists Ash as a reference on his resume?

I doubt it.

Why not, do you think he would give the kid a bad one?

No, DeNarius can't stand him after he got tossed under the bus.

[Hawks86]

I wonder if McGhee lists Ash as a reference on his resume?

I doubt it.

Why not, do you think he would give the kid a bad one?

No, DeNarius can't stand him after he got tossed under the bus.

I'm sure that is what he told you the last time you talked to him.

[allcat]

I wonder if McGhee lists Ash as a reference on his resume?

I doubt it.

Why not, do you think he would give the kid a bad one?

No, DeNarius can't stand him after he got tossed under the bus.

I'm sure that is what he told you the last time you talked to him.

So I suppose that DMac and Na'a don't talk with Toti still coming here.

[basincat]

I wonder if McGhee lists Ash as a reference on his resume?

I doubt it.

Why not, do you think he would give the kid a bad one?

No, DeNarius can't stand him after he got tossed under the bus.

I'm sure that is what he told you the last time you talked to him.

Does someone want to clarify exactly how he tossed DM under the bus? Was it really over the frat thing? Considering how he never acts pissed which is my knock on him, I really have a hard time believing Ash would go after the kid who brought the program to where it is. What exactly was said?

[FTG247365]

Truth is I think most head coaches are exactly like this. It's all about their image and wallet. How many do you see every year bolt for the next job opportunity? The only reason the realm want to win is to boost their own stock. None of this surprises me or concerns me. But he had better keep winning and win more.

Spot on, this is exactly what happens at every level of college football. This is small in comparison to say any SEC programs, I could only imagine their level of bs.

[gocats]

Did this happen last year as well? Another ash bash post from a 'player'? That's either one hell of a troll post or...that's one hell of a troll post

I'm not a troll sir, I did nothing but state facts I would never speak down on someone's name like that if what I was saying wasn't true.

Not endless there was something to gain by it right.

[VimSince03]

I understand that former players have issues with the current head coach. Heck I have issues with his coaching philosophy as well. However, this thread is only accomplishing more talk about why Ash may or may not be a bad head coach. So can it be moved to smack because we already have about 1000 other threads talking about this. I would just like to move on to next season and not talk about whether or not Denarius still likes Ash or not. I understand this is an opinion thread and a former player has issues with Ash, but the conversation is going to go nowhere like it already has for 4 pages.

[catatac]

I wonder if McGhee lists Ash as a reference on his resume?

Yes, I'm sure he does. Denarious has a ton of respect for Ash.

[PHAT CAT]

It's going to be a long off season around here.

[Cat Grad]

Why doesn't somebody start a thread about what "they" should do with the stadium next and why it ought to be done that way? Skyboxes? Nothside bleachers? Bowl it in completely or make a horseshoe? Elevators to the bar on top?

[Cat Grad]

I'll go first. They should put the beer garden on top of the new Skuboxes so that way, if they have a couple too many at halftime they can fall down the aisles and be sure to be in their seat for the second half kickoff...so the kids don't have a mental letdown playing in front of an empty stadium...

[luckyirishguy25]

We have what we have, no amount of b*!ching is going to change it. I agree something needs to change for the Cats to progress as a team, but this has been expressed by countless posters before, during and after the season and it's not going to change for at least the next 1-2 years so we have to live with it for now. Hopefully Ash can recruit his ass off to get over his short comings as a coach. Never know we might just land that diamond in the rough we need for Defense, or maybe he's already here waiting to come out.

I'll give the Coaches one thing, the quality of talent that we've been signing is on the rise. They need to do a better job of progressing our players, I think this is one of our biggest problems right now. These kids need to be driven to be masters of their positions and techniques.

[Bocephus]

I'm not reading that giant wall of text.

If anyone cares to summarize it in a legible format I'll indulge, but:

+1 LOL. I didn't even make it through the first sentence, heard a voice in my head say...nope.

[GRIZ1STCATS2ND]

Prediction: Shortly after midnight tonight Billy Bob get's this thread rolling again.

[BLACKnBLUEnGOLD]

Sorry for the wall of text.

I don't know if I fall into this category as I'm positive there are flaws in ash's coaching style. I'm certainly not content with mediocre seasons and especially not our performances against the griz or in the playoffs. and I've stated as much several times. I'm just not as sure that he is as clueless about football as other people seem to be so certain of.

so I don't need any convincing of that fact. ash has areas to improve on.

If Ash was a perfect coach, Michigan would have hired him away three years ago to fix that Charlie Foxtrot they put together in Ann Arbor. If he was as clueless as some posters seem to think he is, he couldn't organize a flag football game in gym class without help. Obviously, the truth has to be somewhere in the middle.

Here's my take: Bobcat football is in a good place. Some people around here seem to have short memories, but the state of the program in the Ash era is the best it has been in at least thirty years. Could it be better? Sure. Would it be nice to stack up Nattys like the Griz did? Hell yes. Are they going to get there by firing Ash? Certainly not by firing him hastily. If Cruzado is convinced that there's another coach who is a better option, and that person wants to come here, then and only then is the right time to replace Ash. Until then, I'd rather be good but not great than back where we were in the late 80s or early to mid 90s. The Cats are in a place where they could go further down than up with a change of head coaches. Caution is warranted.

I put ZERO, 0, NADA, ziltch credence in this post only for the reason it is so poorly written.....

See, I think that makes it more credible. Most of our athletes aren't uhhh...scholarly.

Most college students aren't scholarly. They're looking to get a better paying job and/or live off student loans for four years until the economy gets better. I've proofread papers for a number of guys on the team, and they all were significantly better writers than the OP. (Yeah, I know, what a homer, sticking up for the players in the classroom. Some of these guys do actually care about education. Some of them major in education.) That said, I have friends who have told me that there are players who are academically way behind the guys I know.

I do doubt that this guy is really a player on the team because of this line:

everyone knows Ellis & yes he has dropped a lot of balls but he has also caught a lot & was vital to the teams success

It goes against everything these players are taught to criticize or acknowledge criticism of their teammates' play on a message board like this. To me, this comes off more like someone who reads the boards a lot, defending Ellis in hindsight.

There's also the whole thing about not being able to spell his quarterback's name....

[77matcat]

Yup. Pretty good given the thirty year period. Some of us remember further back than thirty years.


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[BLACKnBLUEnGOLD]

Yup. Pretty good given the thirty year period. Some of us remember further back than thirty years.


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Much further back, and you're talking about a time when the Cats were a Division II program. That's comparing apples to oranges IMO. Ash has gotten the best overall results of any coach since Sonny Holland at the least. In my opinion, that counts for something.

[WalkOn79]

Yup. Pretty good given the thirty year period. Some of us remember further back than thirty years.


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Much further back, and you're talking about a time when the Cats were a Division II program. That's comparing apples to oranges IMO. Ash has gotten the best overall results of any coach since Sonny Holland at the least. In my opinion, that counts for something.

Totally agree. remember that 1984 was really just a blip in a 4 or 5 year period when we were good, but not great. We had a pretty good run in the 70's as well, but the 1976 team caught lightning in a bottle much like the 1984 team. It's hard to win championships! Just ask Bobby Hauck.

[BFcatfan]

Hey bobcat fans, I had some things I really wanted to get off my chest, I've been holding this in & feeling like this for a long time now but I can't hold it in any longer & feel like it would be best for me personally if I got it out. Let me start out by saying that I love my fellow bobcat brothers no fan really can understand what we go through on a day in & day out basis endless you have been a college football athlete and lived the life. I enjoyed my time at Montana state university as a student & as a player, I have built friendships that will last a life time & wouldn't take my experience back even if I was given the opportunity too, to my brothers on the field the bond we had will forever be remembered something that I will cherish for a lifetime. I am writing this not to maliciously attack anyone's character I'm simply here set the record straight & to be honest & truthful. I'm a huge believer in karma and practicing what you preach, with that being said Rob Ash is not the man he portrays himself to be to the fans & the media. The truth is rob ash ( please excuse my language) could give two FU*** about us (the players) we feel like all he cares about is himself, all he focuses on is himself & what us players MUST DO to make him & his brand look good bonuses & quarterback club money is all he seems gives a damn about. Rob Ashes last worry in the world is winning games as long as the program looks good & presentable to the fans & boosters & money is coming in then everything is A ok, we as players feel like it's a huge slap in the face in the most disrespectful way, as cliche as this may sound we go out and risk our lives for this man & this program & in one split nano second if something where to go wrong like an injury or if a player where to get in trouble watch & see how fast the loving coach will turn his back on you. It's so hard to play for a man like this when you see us out there going all out its for each other & for our fans who support. Rob Ash has no real will to win and a lot of the time we have to question if he's even fully into winning & being a champion doesn't seem to be a big deal at all, but let a player get caught celebrating after a huge play or getting excited after a pic, or talk a little trash during practice to intensify the competition, or literally getting fired up in general then it's a huge problem because then it becomes, your not being a model citizen, your able able to show emotion , your not being perfect your not looking classy enough for the people that give me money, you are making the brand look bad, YOU ARE MAKING ME LOOK BAD, and I can't have that because MY money must keep coming in. I swear if he put all of his energy & enthusiasm into coaching the team instead of coaching how to protect the brand we would be national champs! ( and we have had the talent to do it multiple times). I just feel like a man that preaches integrity & unselfishness & building character should seriously take a long look in the mirror and ask him self ,am I honestly practice what i am preaching to these young men. I was all in for Rob Ash until I really began to open my eyes and see how much of a snake he truly is. I lost all respect for him during a meeting The first meeting after Denairus McGee (sorry if I misspelled his name) had departed from the program, I sat and watched this man solely blame that loosing season on McGee! Blamed it on us loosing because he was in a frat ,which he had been in the 2 prior seasons as well ! Granted those seasons where quote " winning seasons" so during that time it was never an issue. As you can imagine I like the rest of my teammates where in complete shock & disbelief that he would blame a season on one man ! A man that was the driving force to multiple championships, a man that helped raise banners in the rafters, a man that helped build your legacy as a bobcat coach, a man that filled seats in those stance, & last but not least a man that put money in your pocket & helped you feed your family. What made the cowardly act worse was that d- Mac wasn't even in the room to defend his self when his name was being tarnished. What happened to being responsible & taking credit and accountability for your actions ? For him to blame the whole season on one man who gave his heart and soul to the team was just disgusting. Ash is selfish & only cares about ash If you have a serious injury as a player you may has well chalk it up to finding another school or be prepared to go to your local jc because your good as gone. So much for the four year commitment he promised you when he came to your home on the visit. Endless you have about a year left of school he will keep you & force you to quit football & have you focus on school this is called a medical retirement he pushes this on most injured players even when the players would love to come back from injuries & play ! The reason why he does this is not because he actually cares about you and wants to see you make your family proud & actually leave boZeman with an education its because the more kids that are able to graduate the better he looks on the r.p.i & the more money he gets on his bonus so much for being a good example & leader of the team. He will go to the extreme to cover his ass & throw one of his players under the bus in a heartbeat endless yes you are a player worth some value or better words would be (putting money in his pocket) take John Ellis & Christain Williams for example I use these players names because they are no longer with the program, Williams never panned out & retired but everyone knows Ellis & yes he has dropped a lot of balls but he has also caught a lot & was vital to the teams success, anyway they both got in some trouble and ash PAID for a lawyer for both of them, they told me ash was dedicated to the word not getting out! Now I really have to ask, do you really think this man did that to cover their asses ? Or to cover his own ?They where very lucky in that situation but my point is it is illegal to pay for a kids attorney, how do I know this because I called the NCAA and checked ! I'm sure ash new this as well ,But yet you teach us players to do things by the book and not to bend the rules & do the right thing, I guess he meant do the right thing until his name is on the line, again where was your integrity you speak so much of in that situation. Cody Kirk was a great teammate stand up guy & a great person ,His senior year ash allowed him to do his own workout plan instead of what the team was doing. Cody is not to blame in this situation but as a coach what type of message do you send to your players to allow that ? If im a qb club favorite, if I have people coming to the game ,if im an all American then I can do what I feel like doing. Once again I am not knocking Cody at all I love the guy and he will die for his teammates on that field but as a coach I don't feel like you should allow that it sends the rest of the team a bad message. & once again goes back to what I've been saying the whole time , that it's all about ash and all he truly cares about is hisself & his own image he could give a damn about us. Please trust me when I tell you I am not the only one that feels this way. It's sucks because the rest of the staff is amazing coach ione coach Mac coach Brian Vonbergan when he was here coach kemp , coach petry coach coach mac & of course coach beck & north are all guys who genuinely care if it wasn't for a lot of those guys I don't think I would have made through , they taught me & others how to be men I will forever be blessed to have met & spend time with those guys. The program would be so much better off with coach ione or coach Mac was in charge! Those are guys we actually want to go out and lay it down on the line for. Guys who know that the CAT Grizz rivalry actually means something guys who can install fire in us & not soft wimpiness , GUYS THAT ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT WINNING,guys that we would be honored to follow & play for. Maybe one day it will happen until then sadly get used to subpar seasons & ass kickings from the Grizz Both will keep happening because ash doesn't give a damn about winning or his players and that's coming from a player . GO CATS !!

I erge you to git "Huked on Foniks".. really "WOW