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Post by BWahlberg » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:33 pm

Wolfman wrote:The only person who can keep the Griz out of the playoffs is Bobby Hauck. He tried hard to accomplish it this year by making stupid calls, but the Gods were favorable once again. I've never seen such inept coaching decisions (like taking a knee after a TD up by 9 with a minute to go in the game) in my life watching football.

Bobby can fall into a pile of cow dung, and come out smelling like a french whore. I think he sold his soul to the devil three years ago.
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Post by Cat-theotherwhitemeat » Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:49 pm

Re/Max Griz wrote:
Wolfman wrote:The only person who can keep the Griz out of the playoffs is Bobby Hauck. He tried hard to accomplish it this year by making stupid calls, but the Gods were favorable once again. I've never seen such inept coaching decisions (like taking a knee after a TD up by 9 with a minute to go in the game) in my life watching football.

Bobby can fall into a pile of cow dung, and come out smelling like a french whore. I think he sold his soul to the devil three years ago.
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Re/Max, how many times must you be told....don't feed the trolls. Bobby does have the Griz on the way down. Another Big Sky Championship, 13 straight playoff appearances, record home attendance, NC appearance...all with a very young team including a freshman qb. I can see the end, and it's all Bobby's fault, you should too. :shock:

Personally, I'd rather watch a high powered offense like EWU, number one "O" in the nation, all the talent in the world, play their last game this weekend. Defense sucks!


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Post by anacondagriz » Thu Nov 17, 2005 8:27 pm

Cat-theotherwhitemeat wrote:
Re/Max, how many times must you be told....don't feed the trolls. Bobby does have the Griz on the way down. Another Big Sky Championship, 13 straight playoff appearances, record home attendance, NC appearance...all with a very young team including a freshman qb. I can see the end, and it's all Bobby's fault, you should too. :shock:

Personally, I'd rather watch a high powered offense like EWU, number one "O" in the nation, all the talent in the world, play their last game this weekend. Defense sucks!
Your right Whitemeat! Any Cat fans want my tickets. While the Griz may win on Saturday It is doubtful the Griz will put up 56 points. Therefore the game will be boring & refuse to watch solid defensive football :D



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Post by BWahlberg » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:19 pm

What have I been thinking!

Next time the defense takes the field in Wa Griz, I'm booing, and booing loud. Boo defense! Defense sucks! Score 50+ or don't score at all!



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Post by Go Scats Go » Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:58 pm

Re/Max Griz wrote:
Wolfman wrote:The only person who can keep the Griz out of the playoffs is Bobby Hauck. He tried hard to accomplish it this year by making stupid calls, but the Gods were favorable once again. I've never seen such inept coaching decisions (like taking a knee after a TD up by 9 with a minute to go in the game) in my life watching football.

Bobby can fall into a pile of cow dung, and come out smelling like a french whore. I think he sold his soul to the devil three years ago.
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Wolf- Why are you such an angry person???
1- Did Hauck beat you up in kindergarden
2- Did he steal your lunch money
3- Did he take your girlfriend (IE sister) to the prom

He is 29 and 9 as a coach (at UM). 76%
Took the team to the NC last year
Recruits Montana kids hard
Has the best Defence the Griz have had in many years
Has the best Special Teams the Griz have had in years
Win or lose Saturday the griz are in the playoffs

I agree the kneel down was a wierd call. But his explaination was not. Up by 9- its a two score game. If the extra point gets blocked and returned ( A LONG SHOT) for 2 its a 7 point game. Im not saying I would have done it, but it worked and it left no doubt about winning the game- and isnt that what its about????



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Post by BWahlberg » Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:49 am

Wolf upset b/c for nearly 3 years he's been ripping on Hauck saying he can't coach, win or recruit. He's been proven wrong at all points, and just doesn't like looking like a chump.



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Post by elkmcc » Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:32 am

Re/Max Griz wrote:Wolf upset b/c for nearly 3 years he's been ripping on Hauck saying he can't coach, win or recruit. He's been proven wrong at all points, and just doesn't like looking like a chump.
Oh oh, watch out. Wolfy has forgotten to take his anti-pyschotics' again. The only way Wolfy can get attention is to play the idiot, a**hole, and I assume that is the only reason he does it. It sure as hell can't be to win friends and influence people now can it?



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Post by El_Gato » Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:51 am

Go Scats Go wrote:...Recruits Montana kids hard...
I'm sorry, Scats, but if I were a Montana recruit, that would gross me out!

Get it? :wink: :lol:


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Post by Wolfman » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:08 am

Wolfman has forgotten more about football than you meatheads. You try to simplify everything down to Won/Lost records. I accurately give you concrete reasons why Hauck stinks as a head coach. You can't defend these accurate points, so you just tell us about the won/lost record. Pathetic.

Any coach could win with the superior talent the Griz have. It's like a IA team playing a IAA team every week. Hauck still manages to underperform most weeks against powerhouses like NAU and Suck-St.. Thanks God our defensive backs can catch the ball and score TDs.

Get your collective heads out of your *sses and admit that our offense is the worst in all IAA football. It is truly an embarrassment to the University of Montana.

Hauck will spend this week once again on childish drivel, like making sure the team doesn't eat or lodge in Bozeman. Kramer makes him look like an idiot every Cat/Griz game. Kramer has his team relaxed and ready to play, while Hauck has the Griz wound way to tight to even perform on the field. It's a joke. But, what would any of you nerd-boys know about getting mentally-prepared for an athletic event.?



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Post by Cat-theotherwhitemeat » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:21 am

Wolfman wrote:Wolfman has forgotten more about football than you meatheads. You try to simplify everything down to Won/Lost records. I accurately give you concrete reasons why Hauck stinks as a head coach. You can't defend these accurate points, so you just tell us about the won/lost record. Pathetic.

Any coach could win with the superior talent the Griz have. It's like a IA team playing a IAA team every week. Hauck still manages to underperform most weeks against powerhouses like NAU and Suck-St.. Thanks God our defensive backs can catch the ball and score TDs.

Get your collective heads out of your *sses and admit that our offense is the worst in all IAA football. It is truly an embarrassment to the University of Montana.

Hauck will spend this week once again on childish drivel, like making sure the team doesn't eat or lodge in Bozeman. Kramer makes him look like an idiot every Cat/Griz game. Kramer has his team relaxed and ready to play, while Hauck has the Griz wound way to tight to even perform on the field. It's a joke. But, what would any of you nerd-boys know about getting mentally-prepared for an athletic event.?
Absolutely! I agree. Who cares about the win/loss record. It's all about an effective and good looking offense. And who cares about winning and getting to the playoff's. We need to start showing what Grizzly football is all about. All 50 yard passes, all the time! Defense?? Special Teams?? Who cares. That's not even a part of football. The ONLY reason Bobby has won any games is because of Read's recruits. Wolfman and I know how tightly wound the players are because we've talked with people who know people, who've talked to all the players and have a grip on what this team is all about.

You people that defend your opinion based on anything other than offense perfection are way out of your league. I'm with Wolfman, I hope the Griz lose too. :shock: :roll:


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Post by UMclassof2002 » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:30 am

Wolfman wrote:Wolfman has forgotten more about football than you meatheads. You try to simplify everything down to Won/Lost records. I accurately give you concrete reasons why Hauck stinks as a head coach. You can't defend these accurate points, so you just tell us about the won/lost record. Pathetic.

Any coach could win with the superior talent the Griz have. It's like a IA team playing a IAA team every week. Hauck still manages to underperform most weeks against powerhouses like NAU and Suck-St.. Thanks God our defensive backs can catch the ball and score TDs.

Get your collective heads out of your *sses and admit that our offense is the worst in all IAA football. It is truly an embarrassment to the University of Montana.

Hauck will spend this week once again on childish drivel, like making sure the team doesn't eat or lodge in Bozeman. Kramer makes him look like an idiot every Cat/Griz game. Kramer has his team relaxed and ready to play, while Hauck has the Griz wound way to tight to even perform on the field. It's a joke. But, what would any of you nerd-boys know about getting mentally-prepared for an athletic event.?
Serious question for Wolfman-

Do you attribute the sub-par offense performance entirely to Hauck and Phenicie? I would think that the QB situation has hindered their ability to attack. The offense looked good last season, wouldn't you agree?



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Post by El_Gato » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:33 am

2002,

You sort of walked into one there; isn't the QB situation DIRECTLY attributable to Hauck? It's obvious from your comment that you're disappointed with the QB position this season so shouldn't you be disappointed that Hauck CREATED that situation?


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Post by Wolfman » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:03 am

right, Gato. Who recruited these two QBs anyway (JW and Cole)? And, no, our offense under Phenicie has always been a joke. Craig Ochs audibled on over 50% of the plays last season. He was so good a reading defensive weaknesses, and audibling into a play which would work, that he made a silk purse out of the sow's ear which we lovingly call "Phenicie-ball".

Our offense is a travesty. We never throw to the backs. We never use a screen pass. We never throw to the tight end. We never run a counter play. We never run and end-around or reverse.

All we do, is hand the ball deep in the backfield to Hilliard, or throw a horizontal pass for a three-yard gain. Our offense is not designed to hit receivers on the dead run. Thus, we almost never get yardage after the catch. In summary, it is the most pootly-designed offense I have ever witnessed in college football, in the many years I have watched it.

I hope that this is clear enough for you.



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Post by UMclassof2002 » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:06 am

El_Gato wrote:2002,

You sort of walked into one there; isn't the QB situation DIRECTLY attributable to Hauck? It's obvious from your comment that you're disappointed with the QB position this season so shouldn't you be disappointed that Hauck CREATED that situation?


I, for one, understand that sometimes there are going to be off years in any program. Particularly when you are replacing a QB who had arguably the best statistical season in the history of the program and perhaps the conference (69% completions, 33 TD). And if an "off-season" for us is one loss in the conference, a #1 power ranking, a Big Sky title and home seeding throughout the playoffs, I'll take it.

Re: the QB situation. Not a big deal, IMO. Our defense is lights out, our special teams are great, and our running game is to be feared and respected. Next year, Cole will have another year under his belt and will be better for it. Our receiving core is looking good, and we are relatively young in all areas. Lex and most of the line are back. The offense has no place to go but up, and I am not the least bit concerned.

Has the offense been subpar? At times. Has it mattered? Not really.



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Post by El_Gato » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:11 am

I have no problem with you taking that attitude, 2002, that a weak offense hasn't mattered thus far; it's easy to say that at this point.

But I think it WILL matter tomorrow and it WILL matter in the playoffs when your opponents will likely take better care of the ball & your offense HAS to produce to win games.


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Post by UMclassof2002 » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:31 am

El_Gato wrote:I have no problem with you taking that attitude, 2002, that a weak offense hasn't mattered thus far; it's easy to say that at this point.

But I think it WILL matter tomorrow and it WILL matter in the playoffs when your opponents will likely take better care of the ball & your offense HAS to produce to win games.

That's a fair assessment. I think an unresolvable issue is the contention here because people are defining the problem in different terms. There is side that feels that BH is to blame because "the cupboard is bare" in terms of QB depth. I don't feel that way - I think that the reality is that you are not going to have an Ochs/Lulay every ****** year. Sometimes you have to reload. If Cole improves consistently throughout his career, he will probably be considered a Montana legend by the time it is all said and done. As it is, we were replacing a great senior. There is going to be a dropoff, now matter how you slice it. Hauck took a flyer on Washington and it turns out under game pressure he trickles down his leg. Sometimes recruits are busts - BFD. Stapp is waiting in the wings and will be a good understudy and will be ready when the time is right.

Re: the design of the offense and the playcalling. There is more than one way to look at it. The claim has been made that Ochs audibled over 50% of the time last year. Even if that claim were verifiable, so what? He got to the line and changed the plays. Perhaps that was gameplanned. Perhaps it wasn't. Perhaps it was a little of both. Craig is a smart guy and he took control of the offense. He was better than most, so it is really not a fair assessment of the BH/Phen offense to look at what we did that year (anybody looks great when they have great talent). We certainly threw to the TE and the backs last year. This year we have an inexperienced QB, so they have scaled down the playbook. This is also not a fair assessment of the offense b/c it is obvious they are keeping it simple for CB. If the offense is still sputtering mid-conference next year, I will concede that there is a problem.



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Post by El_Gato » Fri Nov 18, 2005 11:35 am

I made the following prediction over on egriz earlier in the week and I'm surprised no one ever commented on it:

I don't think we'll even be talking about Cole Bergquist in 3 years. I bet the Griz find someone better between now & then.


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Post by Wolfman » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:40 pm

Scaled down the playbook for Berquist? Hardly, my friend. If this playbook gets scaled down any further it will have 4-5 plays in it! You are sugar-coating. The fact is, Montana is near the bottom of the conference in all offensive categories except running. And, hell, we run the ball so much that it is no big deal that we are SECOND in the conference in running. We aren't even good enough at what we do best, running, to be first in the conference at that, for Christ's sake! You sugar coaters are unable to face reality.....our offense S*CKS! It is a travesty, especially for a team supposedly the third best in the nation.

Spin it the way you like it so that you can feel secure about your team. The facts are, if our defense has not made so many big plays this season, we would have lost 3-3 more games. You think that they can continue to save this team every week, especially against quality playoff teams? If you do, you're smoking better stuff than I am. Get REAL!



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Post by UMclassof2002 » Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:09 pm

Wolfman wrote:Scaled down the playbook for Berquist? Hardly, my friend.

Wolfman wrote:If this playbook gets scaled down any further it will have 4-5 plays in it!



So, are you saying the playbook has or has not been scaled down?
Wolfman wrote:The fact is, Montana is near the bottom of the conference in all offensive categories except running.
And turnovers lost, which is key to being an efficient (if not prolific) offense.
Wolfman wrote:The facts are, if our defense has not made so many big plays this season, we would have lost 3-3 more games.
This is not a sentiment to which I lend much credence. "If the defense hadn't made plays, we wouldn't have won." Well, you know what, if settlers hadn't settled in Missoula, we wouldn't field a football team. The point is, they did make the plays and we did win the games.
Wolfman wrote:our offense S*CKS! It is a travesty, especially for a team supposedly the third best in the nation.
So offense and offense alone wins championships? Let 1992 Alabama Crimson Tide and 2001 Baltimore Ravens know.
Wolfman wrote:You think that they can continue to save this team every week, especially against quality playoff teams?
I have no idea. But this squad stands poised to go 9-2 (concluding with a three game road trip), with one loss to a I-A, sole position of the BSC championship and home for the playoffs. With a RS frosh at QB.





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