UM Wintersession gets ringing endorsement from UM Athletics

[Hell's Bells]

No, the point is that all of our tax dollars subsidize the Wintersession courses, and frankly I don't like that. I am also a little embarrassed that the university I attend graduate school at sinks to such a low level just to make a buck. The mission of a university is not to give students a "sufficient amount" of material to satisfy an accreditation committee, it is to educate their students in the best manner possible.

hey to be fair if you make fun of people taking the wintersession courses over at the land where the air smells like rotton eggs, then you would have to make fun of the numerous people who take summer school like i plan on. people take wintersession cources for more reasons then to be academically qualified for ncaa compatation.

that being said i would imagion wintersession would be tougher then a regular session, because the amount you have to learn in the class does not change, the timeframe does.

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[UMclassof2002]

No, the point is that all of our tax dollars subsidize the Wintersession courses, and frankly I don't like that. I am also a little embarrassed that the university I attend graduate school at sinks to such a low level just to make a buck. The mission of a university is not to give students a "sufficient amount" of material to satisfy an accreditation committee, it is to educate their students in the best manner possible.

hey to be fair if you make fun of people taking the wintersession courses over at the land where the air smells like rotton eggs, then you would have to make fun of the numerous people who take summer school like i plan on. people take wintersession cources for more reasons then to be academically qualified for ncaa compatation.

that being said i would imagion wintersession would be tougher then a regular session, because the amount you have to learn in the class does not change, the timeframe does.

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I cannot believe that I am agreeing with HB.









Cue the mass hysteria (you know, human sacrifice, cats and dogs living together, etc).

[Grizlaw]

No, the point is that all of our tax dollars subsidize the Wintersession courses, and frankly I don't like that. I am also a little embarrassed that the university I attend graduate school at sinks to such a low level just to make a buck.

So Bozone, are you equally embarassed that the school where you received your undergraduate degree sinks to the same level by offering summer courses? After all, isn't it also true that a person cannot learn the same amount about a topic in a 5-week session as they can in a 15-week semester?

EDIT: Just so no one misunderstands me, I'm not bashing MSU with this post. My point is simply that many schools do this, in one form or another, and by condemning UM for lacking "academic integrity" for having an intercesion, you really are condemning all schools that have an accelerated summer term as well, including MSU. Is it a good thing? I think it depends; there are some courses that can probably be learned on an accelerated basis, and some that cannot.

[BozoneCat]

So Bozone, are you equally embarassed that the school where you received your undergraduate degree sinks to the same level by offering summer courses? After all, isn't it also true that a person cannot learn the same amount about a topic in a 5-week session as they can in a 15-week semester?

EDIT: Just so no one misunderstands me, I'm not bashing MSU with this post. My point is simply that many schools do this, in one form or another, and by condemning UM for lacking "academic integrity" for having an intercesion, you really are condemning all schools that have an accelerated summer term as well, including MSU. Is it a good thing? I think it depends; there are some courses that can probably be learned on an accelerated basis, and some that cannot.

Good question. My answer, as you may have guessed, is "no." Why? Because summer sessions (I know each session is 6 weeks at MSU, not 5) are common, many/most universities employ these classes. Thus, I do not equate summer sessions with the Wintersession, because summer sessions are not the lowest common denominator.

I see your point about if you cannot learn the same amount in 3 weeks vs. 15 weeks, then you probably cannot learn the same amount in 6 weeks either. That is true, to a point. I think that in 6 weeks, you at least have a little time for the information to sink in, some time to reflect on it. I just fail to see how that can happen in the course of less than a month.

This has absolutely nothing to do with MSU vs. UM. Obviously, I am ragging on my own school here. I don't like it, and I never will. Save this stuff for the community college, I believe that state universities and respected research institutions should hold themselves to a higher standard.

[tetoncat]

Wow, I read the first couple of posts and thought the reference was to make fun of them putting football players on the promo for the wintersession. Guess I was wrong. I think its funny as hell with the Kamar incident that they would use any sports team. Wether you agree with the session or not it makes it appear that UM does it to help out their sports teams.

[HelenaCat]

And is there really any question that it does help their sports teams? While there certainly may be some tougher courses in this 3 week period, it is just a bit phony when almost every year a griz BB player can not make grades in the Fall semester, but after 3 weeks of "intense" coursework at the wintersession, he is majically available after early January. There must also be many bunny courses in this period as I find it hard to believe that people like Kamarr would get by otherwise. What bothers me most is that this does not bother more UM alumni. I honestly would be embarassed about MSU if they started doing this. MSU and UM are supposed to be institutions of higher learning, not high schools.

[UMclassof2002]

And is there really any question that it does help their sports teams? While there certainly may be some tougher courses in this 3 week period, it is just a bit phony when almost every year a griz BB player can not make grades in the Fall semester, but after 3 weeks of "intense" coursework at the wintersession, he is majically available after early January. There must also be many bunny courses in this period as I find it hard to believe that people like Kamarr would get by otherwise. What bothers me most is that this does not bother more UM alumni. I honestly would be embarassed about MSU if they started doing this. MSU and UM are supposed to be institutions of higher learning, not high schools.

Is the point that difficult to grasp?



It has the same requirements as any other class. Taking an intersession course is not free credit. It is the same as summer school in that it is an accelerated course, nothing more nothing less.


Nothing majical about it.

[BozoneCat]

Is the point that difficult to grasp?

You wouldn't think so, but apparently it is.

It has the same requirements as any other class.

No it doesn't.

Taking an intersession course is not free credit.

Oh no, King George makes sure nothing is free!

It is the same as summer school in that it is an accelerated course, nothing more nothing less.

Well, just another 3 weeks less, but who's counting?

[UMclassof2002]

Is the point that difficult to grasp?

You wouldn't think so, but apparently it is.

It has the same requirements as any other class.

No it doesn't.

Taking an intersession course is not free credit.

Oh no, King George makes sure nothing is free!

It is the same as summer school in that it is an accelerated course, nothing more nothing less.

Well, just another 3 weeks less, but who's counting?

How the ****** did you get into grad school?

[BozoneCat]

How the ****** did you get into grad school?

I'm much smarter than you.

[grizzh8r]

Wow, I read the first couple of posts and thought the reference was to make fun of them putting football players on the promo for the wintersession. Guess I was wrong. I think its funny as hell with the Kamar incident that they would use any sports team. Wether you agree with the session or not it makes it appear that UM does it to help out their sports teams.

How the ****** did you get into grad school?

I'm much smarter than you.

ROFL, just ROFL!

[UMclassof2002]

How the ****** did you get into grad school?

I'm much smarter than you.

You did pick a good place to go to grad school, I will give you that.