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Post by BozoneCat » Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:45 pm

ballzdeep wrote:With Chavez being considered one of the best prep players ever in the state, the fact of the matter remains that high school baskebtall talent in MT has been on the decline, my original argument. I look at former MT high school players that played prep ball in MT in the early to mid-nineties and then went on to play for either the Frizzlies or Bobcats. That list includes: JR Camel, Ryan Dick, Matt Kempfert, Mike Warhank , Kirk Walker, Matt Siedensticker, Bob Olson, Scott Hatler, Adam Leachman, Dan Sullivan, Danny Sprinkle, Justin Brown. As of recently you have had players such as: Kevin Criswell, Sam Riddle, Mike Chavez, Brian Lynch, John Seyfert, Jordan Hasquet, Nick Dissly, Casey Durham, Carsonn Durr, Danny Faborg, Pete Conway. Based on this list and their college careers, I think my argument is quite obvious. My feeling is that currently these high school stars are playing against inferior competition and this must be taken into account when discussing potential Big Sky material. A good number of high school kids as of late have had exceptional high school careers only to be role players at the D-1 level, or end up leaving to go play at a lower level.
I don't entirely disagree with your assessment that high school players in the last five years don't compare well with Montana high school players from the previous decade, but remember a few things. Most importantly, most of the players you mentioned in the first list were role players, too. Mike Warhank, Adam Leachman, Dan Sullivan, and Justin Brown were all role players - although I admit that they were far better role players than Sam Riddle, Brian Lynch, and Danny Faaborg. I think that currently, Montana high schoolers are more interested in football than basketball, and that has a lot to do with the product being put forth.

Now, I am not one to defend Mike Chavez (or any friz), but he was an AMAZING high school basketball player - if he cut the crap and applied himself, he could become a great college basketball player. Unfortunately and sadly, he probably will never again have the chance to do so.

Just for your information, mslacat has been posting very, very, very credible information on this board (and other boards) for more than a few years. I would venture to surmise that he knows just a little more about basketball and all things recruiting than you do. Everyone on this board appreciates and trusts all the information he brings to us. He is upfront with any biases he may have, and is never afraid or too proud to admit when he was wrong. I have not seen Jack McGillis play yet, but if mslacat says he is the real deal, I have absolutely no reason to doubt his judgement.


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Post by BozoneCat » Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:46 pm

ballzdeep wrote:mslacat- have you seen jack play and how would you rate him as a player b/c WE ALL know mthoops is full of it. :shock:
Have YOU seen Jack play?


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Post by MSU88 » Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:01 pm

BozoneCat wrote:
ballzdeep wrote: I don't entirely disagree with your assessment that high school players in the last five years don't compare well with Montana high school players from the previous decade, but remember a few things. Most importantly, most of the players you mentioned in the first list were role players, too. Mike Warhank, Adam Leachman, Dan Sullivan, and Justin Brown were all role players - although I admit that they were far better role players than Sam Riddle, Brian Lynch, and Danny Faaborg. I think that currently, Montana high schoolers are more interested in football than basketball, and that has a lot to do with the product being put forth.
A good high school player from Montana is probably going to be a role player at D1.......at least the first two years. Dissly is not a role player but has been given a fair opportunity in minutes played and the Cat coaches beleive in his abilities. Casey Durham has gotten the same opportunties and will be more than a role player. Carson Durr is a role player who has not been given a fair chance. If he gets the same minutes and opportunities as Dissly and Durham, he would be very surprising. Also he would never bitch and moan about his time because he is a team player. Others on the team would bitch if not playing (not Dissly and Durham, but others) and in my opinion, Carson is getting taken advantage of. I can see him evaluating his minutes the last part of the season and making a decision to move to another Big Sky school or a into the Frontier. There is plenty of interest in both conferences.

We can talk about talent all we want also, but OPPORTUNITY is a big factor as well!



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Post by ballzdeep » Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:24 pm

bozocat- I have seen Jack play and after seeing him all that came to mine was Carroll College! mslacat- don't forget about buying bozecat dinner, I mean after all thats what boyfriends do for their girlfriends! :-({|=
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Post by ballzdeep » Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:40 pm

I'm just going to throw this out there b/c I know everyone is thinking it...I'm the only one who has any credablity in this topic so I'm going to open it up to a little Q&A.



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Post by ballzdeep » Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:37 pm

mthoops- haven't heard from you in a while, are you out pretending to be a reporter for ESPN again? \:D/ [/quote]



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Post by mthoops » Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:51 pm

No, I was just waiting for your rampage to get over.



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Post by ballzdeep » Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:58 pm

mslacat- I have some big name contacts at MSU and I think we could use your eye for talent. mybe, if your lucky, I can get your a job as talent scout! With your keen eye you and I will take the Cats to the final four. How about it partner? :P



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Post by ballzdeep » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:20 pm

mthoops wrote:No, I was just waiting for your rampage to get over.
mthoops boo hoo boo hoo boo hoo :( :( :( :cry:



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Post by mthoops » Mon Feb 21, 2005 6:24 pm

Wow.



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Post by BozoneCat » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:46 pm

I'd like to ask the administrators if they could delete some of this crap so this thread can stay on topic. Other than the petty, childish insults coming from some brand new poster with an inappropriate screenname, this has been a very interesting thread.


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Post by rtb » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:06 pm

BozoneCat wrote:I'd like to ask the administrators if they could delete some of this crap so this thread can stay on topic. Other than the petty, childish insults coming from some brand new poster with an inappropriate screenname, this has been a very interesting thread.
Yeah, I will try to clean it up tomorrow. I watched it get out of hand today, but I thought things would take care of themselves. Sorry to all of those that had to put up with this getting out of hand. I will try to carefully clean it up, but keep as much content in place as possible.



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