Look at LooLay go. Wait... it's DAVE!

[Hell's Bells]

i see him backing up vick

Pretty impressive that you actually know what team he's going to get picked up by halfway through his senior season. Do you think there's any chance that Atlanta will trade both Vick and Lulay to Chicago the year after next?

All kidding aside, here's a serious question: suppose Lulay has marginal NFL talent; i.e., he's good enough to be a career backup or third-stringer, but not to ever be a starter (I'm not saying this is the case, but just for the sake of argument, assume it is). What would you rather see Lulay do: play as a career backup in the NFL and get very little playing time, or go to the CFL and start (as DD has)?

--GL

a way to rephrase your question would be

whos career would you want

john friez's *backup with chargers and redskins*
Jamie Martin *superbowl appearance with rams i belive - now their starter with bulger injured*
Josh McCown *questional nfl tallent that gets to throw balls to fitzgarled and bolden*

or
DD *CFL - had cup of coffee in nfl with 2 teams and could not make it*

[Grizlaw]

a way to rephrase your question would be

whos career would you want

john friez's *backup with chargers and redskins*
Jamie Martin *superbowl appearance with rams i belive - now their starter with bulger injured*
Josh McCown *questional nfl tallent that gets to throw balls to fitzgarled and bolden*

or
DD *CFL - had cup of coffee in nfl with 2 teams and could not make it*

Yep, that is one way of rephrasing my question.

You see, though, the point of my asking the question was that I hoped that someone would answer it; I didn't ask just so someone would rephrase it for me.

So, having clarified the type of response I am looking for, I'll ask the question again. What is a better career: being a star in the CFL, or being a career bench-warmer in the NFL?

--GL (was that better, Pony? )

[Hell's Bells]

a way to rephrase your question would be

whos career would you want

john friez's *backup with chargers and redskins*
Jamie Martin *superbowl appearance with rams i belive - now their starter with bulger injured*
Josh McCown *questional nfl tallent that gets to throw balls to fitzgarled and bolden*

or
DD *CFL - had cup of coffee in nfl with 2 teams and could not make it*

Yep, that is one way of rephrasing my question.

You see, though, the point of my asking the question was that I hoped that someone would answer it; I didn't ask just so someone would rephrase it for me.

So, having clarified the type of response I am looking for, I'll ask the question again. What is a better career: being a star in the CFL, or being a career bench-warmer in the NFL?

--GL (was that better, Pony? )

i belive i answered that in my last post

[Grizlaw]

i belive i answered that in my last post

So to you, then, I assume the answer is obvious. To me, it really isn't. It comes down to the classic big fish, small pond vs. small fish, big pond discussion, and I'm honestly not sure which career I'd prefer for DD (or for Lulay).

Obviously the NFL is the better league, and if Lulay has a chance, he should take it. But to talk about DD like he's just some schlub who "had a cup of coffee" in the NFL and couldn't hack it is incredibly disrespectful of the career he's had. The fact is, if he had wanted to spend his entire career going from team to team in the NFL and sitting on the bench as a second-or-third stringer, perhaps he could have. Instead, he went to the CFL, where he has been, arguably, the best player in that league (at any position) for several of the years that he's been there, and the dominant QB in the league for much of his career. To me, it's not quite so obvious that being "The Man" in the CFL is worse than being a career third-stringer in the NFL. To each his own, though...

--GL

[Hell's Bells]

i belive i answered that in my last post

So to you, then, I assume the answer is obvious. To me, it really isn't. It comes down to the classic big fish, small pond vs. small fish, big pond discussion, and I'm honestly not sure which career I'd prefer for DD (or for Lulay).

Obviously the NFL is the better league, and if Lulay has a chance, he should take it. But to talk about DD like he's just some schlub who "had a cup of coffee" in the NFL and couldn't hack it is incredibly disrespectful of the career he's had. The fact is, if he had wanted to spend his entire career going from team to team in the NFL and sitting on the bench as a second-or-third stringer, perhaps he could have. Instead, he went to the CFL, where he has been, arguably, the best player in that league (at any position) for several of the years that he's been there, and the dominant QB in the league for much of his career. To me, it's not quite so obvious that being "The Man" in the CFL is worse than being a career third-stringer in the NFL. To each his own, though...

--GL

to say that would be to discount my opinion of DD
DD was a awesome college qb albeit with a terrible injury histroy

DD is a short qb with terrible arm strength but with the smarts to get the job done. I know i am going to get flamed for saying that but i am. NFL general managers would not pass on a good qb these days, especially in towns like miami and s.d. where they were missisng good qbs at the time DD was there

there is a such thing as a good college qb that craps out in the pros...ever hear of ryan leaf? cade Mcnown? Joey Harrington? all good D1A qbs who couldnt make it. nothing wrong in saying that...and to be honest i am half expecting lulay to make it to the pros myself.

that in saying what i was getting at is which job is going to produce the most memories...qbing for even the worst of the NFL or qbing for the best of the CFL? honestly that depends on the person.

somthing to think about tho...if it is much better to start for a cfl team instead of backing up in the pros why cant either the griz or the cats get the backup at USC?!?!

[Grizlaw]

that in saying what i was getting at is which job is going to produce the most memories...qbing for even the worst of the NFL or qbing for the best of the CFL? honestly that depends on the person.

Well, at least you've admitted that it's not an *obvious* call. That was really all I wanted.

As for why the Griz and Cats can't get the USC backup, I'm not sure that's a great example for the argument you're trying to make. The fact is, there are quite a few steps between UM and USC, and backup QBs at schools like USC *do* leave their teams in order to transfer to places where they can get some playing time. They might not transfer all the way down to a I-AA school, but if they can start for, say, another Pac 10 or a WAC school, many of them will leave. Similarly, QBs from schools that are a little further down the I-A food chain *do* transfer to schools like UM rather than sit on the bench at their schools (I know I don't have to give you examples of *that* one).

--GL

P.S. By the way, I wouldn't quite write off Joey Harrington as a QB who can't hack it in the pros yet. He's young and he's having a rough time, but he has shown flashes of brilliance in a few games. Remember, Troy Aikman and John Elway both got written off as overrated college QBs early in their pro careers, and both of them went on to become great QBs. I'm not sure if Harrington will ever be that good, but I wouldn't throw him in the "Leaf and McNown" pile just yet.

[Hell's Bells]

well yeah but in aikmen's 3rd year he won a superbowl if you recall...

[Grizlaw]

well yeah but in aikmen's 3rd year he won a superbowl if you recall...

I do recall, but if you recall, in his first season, he went 1-15 and was being referred to as a waste of money.

I'm not sure why we're even debating this, though; my only point is that Harrington could still make it. I'm not sure how you can disagree with that, given the number of pro QBs who have started off badly and gone on to have great careers. We'll see, I guess; I'm not going to try predicting the future against a guy who already knows where Lulay is going to end up playing.

[mquast53000]

i see him backing up vick

Pretty impressive that you actually know what team he's going to get picked up by halfway through his senior season. Do you think there's any chance that Atlanta will trade both Vick and Lulay to Chicago the year after next?

All kidding aside, here's a serious question: suppose Lulay has marginal NFL talent; i.e., he's good enough to be a career backup or third-stringer, but not to ever be a starter (I'm not saying this is the case, but just for the sake of argument, assume it is). What would you rather see Lulay do: play as a career backup in the NFL and get very little playing time, or go to the CFL and start (as DD has)?

--GL

He would be a whole lot richer then DD as a NFL backup, and people outside of Canada and Missoula would know who he is.

[Hell's Bells]

well yeah but in aikmen's 3rd year he won a superbowl if you recall...

I do recall, but if you recall, in his first season, he went 1-15 and was being referred to as a waste of money.

I'm not sure why we're even debating this, though; my only point is that Harrington could still make it. I'm not sure how you can disagree with that, given the number of pro QBs who have started off badly and gone on to have great careers. We'll see, I guess; I'm not going to try predicting the future against a guy who already knows where Lulay is going to end up playing.

all i am trying to say is that this isnt exacly harringtons first year.

when T.A. was in the league as long as J.H. T.Y had superbowls and playoff appearances

[Grizlaw]

all i am trying to say is that this isnt exacly harringtons first year.

when T.A. was in the league as long as J.H. T.Y had superbowls and playoff appearances

Yeah, I know what you're saying. It might not be really fair to compare Aikman and Harrington in that regard, though. Aikman played for a team that was loaded with talent and that went on to become a dynasty. The Lions...not so much.

I agree, though, that Harrington does need to step up pretty soon if he's going to do anything in the league. All I'm saying is that it could still happen.

[Hell's Bells]

all i am trying to say is that this isnt exacly harringtons first year.

when T.A. was in the league as long as J.H. T.Y had superbowls and playoff appearances

Yeah, I know what you're saying. It might not be really fair to compare Aikman and Harrington in that regard, though. Aikman played for a team that was loaded with talent and that went on to become a dynasty. The Lions...not so much.

I agree, though, that Harrington does need to step up pretty soon if he's going to do anything in the league. All I'm saying is that it could still happen.

i know - i am just being an eternal pessimist this week....