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Post by Billings Cat » Mon Feb 28, 2011 12:35 pm

catamaran wrote:Unless you're in the room voting, how can you be sure EVERY school is as honorable as you claim. As you can see in any mailing by the MHSA there are a lot of schools that don't even bother to vote. Take a look at the officials at any sport at any level, they don't change from year to year. Are they consistently the best or are they just voted for because everyone knows them. I assume by your condescending answer that you're an official and know how the process works
Wrong again. In the past 5 years at the state tournaments on the boys and girls side in basketball, the average official selected has worked 2.5 tournaments (or basically every other year) in that time period. So, no, it's not the same officials every year. But it's also not a normal curve if you look at the distribution--34% of the state tournament officials only worked 1 tournament in the last 5 years, 21% worked 2 tournaments, 18% worked 3 tournaments, 13% worked 4 tournaments, and 13% worked one tournament all five years. Long story short, over 55% of the officials who worked state tournaments in the last 5 years in basketball worked 2 or less in that time period. And the guys and gals who have worked 3 or more state tournaments in the last 5 years are at the top of their game. Sorry, but as much as you want to deny it, there's obviously a widely held belief among coaches at every classification on both the boys and girls side that the officiating pool in Bozeman has some serious issues.

And the sad part is this, Bozeman's basketball teams on both the boys and girls sides have been consistently so good during this time period, that they don't even need any help to win games. They're gonna win games on their own accord because of their players and coaches. But imagine how frustrating it is for AA coaches to go there, get beat, and getting piled on with poor officiating. That's why you don't see any AA coaches voting for them on their ballots! Interestingly though, you obviously don't have any Class A, B, or C coaches voting for them either. So, is it bias or incompetence?

Finally, part of the officials code is to not criticize fellow officials in any way shape or form publicly. So, count me out as to being an official...lol.



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Post by urcrackinmeup » Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:53 am

Good luck Hawk Girls and all the teams this weekend! There should be some good games! :D



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Post by ilovethecats » Wed Mar 09, 2011 2:25 pm

anyone have scores of todays games in AA so far? or a link to find them?



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Post by stevo » Wed Mar 09, 2011 4:09 pm

ilovethecats wrote:anyone have scores of todays games in AA so far? or a link to find them?
The best advice i can give you is to check tomorow AFTER the games get played. Its only Wednesday, games start Thursday at 12 noon.
[http://www.mhsa.org/basketball/Brackets ... sAA.pdfurl][/url]

im not sure how to past a link but you can view the bracket on the MHA web site.



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Post by CPACAT » Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:07 pm

stevo wrote:
ilovethecats wrote:anyone have scores of todays games in AA so far? or a link to find them?
The best advice i can give you is to check tomorow AFTER the games get played. Its only Wednesday, games start Thursday at 12 noon.
[http://www.mhsa.org/basketball/Brackets ... sAA.pdfurl][/url]

im not sure how to past a link but you can view the bracket on the MHA web site.

I started looking for the scores at mhsa.org and was wondering why they were not posting. It took me an hour to realize that today was Wednesday and not Thursday.


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Re: Bozeman Girls BB

Post by ilovethecats » Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:16 pm

CPACAT wrote:
stevo wrote:
ilovethecats wrote:anyone have scores of todays games in AA so far? or a link to find them?
The best advice i can give you is to check tomorow AFTER the games get played. Its only Wednesday, games start Thursday at 12 noon.
[http://www.mhsa.org/basketball/Brackets ... sAA.pdfurl][/url]

im not sure how to past a link but you can view the bracket on the MHA web site.

I started looking for the scores at mhsa.org and was wondering why they were not posting. It took me an hour to realize that today was Wednesday and not Thursday.
holy crap. me too. :oops:

that is just crazy. i thought all day was thursday. guess i'm already on spring break. oops.

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Post by Billings Cat » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:34 am

Missoula Sentinel over Bozeman by one. Brad Rustan, say hello to karma. =D^



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Post by Gus » Sat Mar 12, 2011 3:07 pm

Yeah it is always fun to see a player tear a ligiment in the state tournament...... :roll:



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Post by stevo » Sun Mar 13, 2011 11:45 am

Billings Cat wrote:I went to see the Bozeman girls basketball team play this weekend and they are better than advertised. Probably the best team I've seen since Billings West had the 4 D1 signees on the same team. There's no way anyone is going to touch them this year. They've got it all, inside-outside, offense-defense.

That said, while they are long on talent, their coaching staff is short on class. Take note that I'm not talking about the kids one bit. It's the coaches, namely head coach Brad Rustan. They're killing their opponent and there's never less than 2 starters on the floor at any one time in the second half. And they call a timeout with 90 seconds left in the game and up by 27 points to bring back in all 5 starters in order to hold Senior, who has put their subs in, under 20 points. Apparently, when they came down to Billings earlier to play Skyview, they pulled the same thing. Now, they can use the lame excuse that they needed to practice running the clock out, but folks, they haven't had a close game yet all year and it's doubtful that they really needed practice on that. Talking to the parents from Bozeman it sounds like that's just their Head Coach.

The Bozeman girls are absolutely going to win the state championship this year, and more than likely next year, too, but eventually on the court or off, Rustan's going to get his and there's going to be a whole lot of happy folks.

I think you forgot about " DA Bears " of West High.



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Post by Billings Cat » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:48 am

stevo wrote:I think you forgot about " DA Bears " of West High.
Absolutely true. I won't deny it. The West High girls' athletic teams are having an incredible year...this is probably the strongest and deepest group of seniors to ever go through the school. What they're doing is absolutely on-par with what the Bozeman boys are doing this year and the Lady Bears have to be overwhelming favorites in softball and track this spring.



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Post by rollo_tumasi » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:08 am

Billings Senior has the best girls Track team this year, but West is not far behind. West should win Softball though.


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Post by Billings_Griz » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:05 pm

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Wrong again. In the past 5 years at the state tournaments on the boys and girls side in basketball, the average official selected has worked 2.5 tournaments (or basically every other year) in that time period. So, no, it's not the same officials every year. But it's also not a normal curve if you look at the distribution--34% of the state tournament officials only worked 1 tournament in the last 5 years, 21% worked 2 tournaments, 18% worked 3 tournaments, 13% worked 4 tournaments, and 13% worked one tournament all five years. Long story short, over 55% of the officials who worked state tournaments in the last 5 years in basketball worked 2 or less in that time period. And the guys and gals who have worked 3 or more state tournaments in the last 5 years are at the top of their game. Sorry, but as much as you want to deny it, there's obviously a widely held belief among coaches at every classification on both the boys and girls side that the officiating pool in Bozeman has some serious issues.
Just to add a little to this, 1 cannot work 2 STATE tourneys in one year. And you can only work 2 STATE tourneys (same class) in a row before you have to take a year off. I believe you can work more than 2 years in a row, just not the same class.

^^^this only pertains to STATE tourneys^^^ The district/divisionals might be the same, I'm not sure.



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Post by Billings Cat » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:52 pm

rollo_tumasi wrote:Billings Senior has the best girls Track team this year, but West is not far behind. West should win Softball though.
I don't know much about track, but given that the softball team has Ed's granddaughter back, and she's probably the best player in the state and the state tournament is in Billings, it would be a huge surprise for them not to win it going away...



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Post by catamaran » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:09 pm

Billings_Griz wrote:
Billings Cat wrote:
Wrong again. In the past 5 years at the state tournaments on the boys and girls side in basketball, the average official selected has worked 2.5 tournaments (or basically every other year) in that time period. So, no, it's not the same officials every year. But it's also not a normal curve if you look at the distribution--34% of the state tournament officials only worked 1 tournament in the last 5 years, 21% worked 2 tournaments, 18% worked 3 tournaments, 13% worked 4 tournaments, and 13% worked one tournament all five years. Long story short, over 55% of the officials who worked state tournaments in the last 5 years in basketball worked 2 or less in that time period. And the guys and gals who have worked 3 or more state tournaments in the last 5 years are at the top of their game. Sorry, but as much as you want to deny it, there's obviously a widely held belief among coaches at every classification on both the boys and girls side that the officiating pool in Bozeman has some serious issues.
Just to add a little to this, 1 cannot work 2 STATE tourneys in one year. And you can only work 2 STATE tourneys (same class) in a row before you have to take a year off. I believe you can work more than 2 years in a row, just not the same class.

^^^this only pertains to STATE tourneys^^^ The district/divisionals might be the same, I'm not sure.
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Post by urcrackinmeup » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:11 pm

There were some really close games that whole tournament. It was fun to watch -- both the boys and the girls.
Sentinel outplayed the Lady Hawks on Friday. Their girls hit some clutch shots down the stretch. It doesn't have anything to do with coaches karma.
Hawks will be there again next year.



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Post by stevo » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:15 pm

urcrackinmeup wrote:There were some really close games that whole tournament. It was fun to watch -- both the boys and the girls.
Sentinel outplayed the Lady Hawks on Friday. Their girls hit some clutch shots down the stretch. It doesn't have anything to do with coaches karma.
Hawks will be there again next year.

Da Bears will be back as well. It really was an awsome tournament. Tanner R. is on another planet! That shot from behind the back board.....OMG =D^



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Post by Hawks86 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:35 pm

stevo wrote: Da Bears will be back as well. It really was an awsome tournament. Tanner R. is on another planet! That shot from behind the back board.....OMG =D^
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Post by Billings Cat » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:45 am

stevo wrote:
urcrackinmeup wrote:There were some really close games that whole tournament. It was fun to watch -- both the boys and the girls.
Sentinel outplayed the Lady Hawks on Friday. Their girls hit some clutch shots down the stretch. It doesn't have anything to do with coaches karma.
Hawks will be there again next year.

Da Bears will be back as well. It really was an awsome tournament. Tanner R. is on another planet! That shot from behind the back board.....OMG =D^
Face it, Bozeman lost to a team that they were clearly superior to in talent. That should hurt. And what West High did to the Spartans in the championship game should sting even more. I'm sure they'll be back and have to be favorites for next season, but they'll never get THIS one back.

As for West being back...yes, as a possible tournament team, but you simply do not replace Muri, Dennehy, and Olson. West returns Nielson and Robinson who played some important minutes, but other than these two, it was a team dominated by seniors, and you'll see just how these three seniors in particular made it easy on the others with their experience, talent, and leadership. And West's JV team was simply NOT good. Don't fool yourself, this is not going to be a multiple title run like they had with Morales, Robison, Conway, and Bents.



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Post by stevo » Tue Mar 15, 2011 10:57 am

Billings Cat wrote:
stevo wrote:
urcrackinmeup wrote:There were some really close games that whole tournament. It was fun to watch -- both the boys and the girls.
Sentinel outplayed the Lady Hawks on Friday. Their girls hit some clutch shots down the stretch. It doesn't have anything to do with coaches karma.
Hawks will be there again next year.

Da Bears will be back as well. It really was an awsome tournament. Tanner R. is on another planet! That shot from behind the back board.....OMG =D^
Face it, Bozeman lost to a team that they were clearly superior to in talent. That should hurt. And what West High did to the Spartans in the championship game should sting even more. I'm sure they'll be back and have to be favorites for next season, but they'll never get THIS one back.

As for West being back...yes, as a possible tournament team, but you simply do not replace Muri, Dennehy, and Olson. West returns Nielson and Robinson who played some important minutes, but other than these two, it was a team dominated by seniors, and you'll see just how these three seniors in particular made it easy on the others with their experience, talent, and leadership. And West's JV team was simply NOT good. Don't fool yourself, this is not going to be a multiple title run like they had with Morales, Robison, Conway, and Bents.

I agree with you that a string of titles is probably not in the cards, however i think they will contunue to be a top tier team. They have several under class men that will turn some heads in the near future. I think they will be good at the guard position but i dont see any great inside players on the way. Senior high i think will be a force in the near future. They have a handful of Freshman this year that played up and are very good.



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Post by Eric Ohs » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:59 pm

Billings Cat wrote:Missoula Sentinel over Bozeman by one. Brad Rustan, say hello to karma. =D^
You seem to have a unhealthy obsession with Brad Rustan.



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