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Redshirting
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:56 pm
by LTown Cat
Got in an argument today at work. I said that a player such as Mason who started redshirting and then ended up playing could still redshirt in a future season. The term "burned his redshirt" just means he burnt it that year. My buddy said that no, once they do that they cannot redshirt again unless it is a medical.
After thinking about it, he may be correct because I couldn't think of a single player, anywhere, who "burned" his redshirt and then redshirted later.
Anybody know????
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:58 pm
by catamaran
Once its yanked, its gone
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:07 pm
by Ponycat
My understanding is you get five years to play four years. I could be wrong. Kentucky basketball players Jeff Sheperd and Jared Prickett redshirted in what could have been there senior years then came back and played the year after.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:15 pm
by Cat Grad
NCAA website search on redshirting
I know it's hard to seach and bounce around for the answer, but basically what ponycat stated is correct. You burn a redshirt year if you play a single down, but you could redshirt the following year. When Coach's nephew burned his redshirt against N Iowa, then ran into the injury bug, they were considering redshirting him his final year of eligibilty until he decided to call it a career.
Edit by kmax to fix the extremely long link screwing up screen width.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:43 pm
by LTown Cat
catamaran wrote:Once its yanked, its gone
I understand it is gone for that year, but can you still redshirt in a later year?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:49 pm
by Cat Grad
LTown Cat wrote:catamaran wrote:Once its yanked, its gone
I understand it is gone for that year, but can you still redshirt in a later year?
yes you can even apply to the NCAA for a medical redshirt
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:55 pm
by CARDIAC_CATS
Ponycat wrote:My understanding is you get five years to play four years. I could be wrong. Kentucky basketball players Jeff Sheperd and Jared Prickett redshirted in what could have been there senior years then came back and played the year after.
Yep, that is correct. GO WILDCATS!
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:56 pm
by CelticCat
Once you are declared a redshirt, that is your only redshirt. If you are forced to play in that redshirt season, your eligibility ticker (4 years) starts the second you play on the field. So if you were thrust into the very last game of your redshirt season, that whole season would count against your eligibility.
The only way around this would to be awarded a medical redshirt. You have 4 years of eligibility, plus one year to red/greshirt.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:00 pm
by LTown Cat
CelticCat wrote:Once you are declared a redshirt, that is your only redshirt. If you are forced to play in that redshirt season, your eligibility ticker (4 years) starts the second you play on the field. So if you were thrust into the very last game of your redshirt season, that whole season would count against your eligibility.
The only way around this would to be awarded a medical redshirt. You have 4 years of eligibility, plus one year to red/greshirt.
Exactly, so for example take Mason. This year is an eligibility year. It is my understanding he can still redshirt????
I completely understand that this year counts for someone like him. He does not have 4 years of eligibility left. My question is, could he choose to redshirt next year--not play a single play next year--and have 3 years left starting in 2008?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:03 pm
by catamaran
He can redshirt if he wasn't declared this year already
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:03 pm
by HelenaCat95
LTown Cat wrote:CelticCat wrote:Once you are declared a redshirt, that is your only redshirt. If you are forced to play in that redshirt season, your eligibility ticker (4 years) starts the second you play on the field. So if you were thrust into the very last game of your redshirt season, that whole season would count against your eligibility.
The only way around this would to be awarded a medical redshirt. You have 4 years of eligibility, plus one year to red/greshirt.
Exactly, so for example take Mason. This year is an eligibility year. It is my understanding he can still redshirt????
I completely understand that this year counts for someone like him. He does not have 4 years of eligibility left. My question is, could he choose to redshirt next year--not play a single play next year--and have 3 years left starting in 2008?
Yes...you are correct. You get one redshirt year, you can use it during anyone of your 4 years of eligibility. Thus, you get 5 years (must be consecutive) to play 4.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:10 pm
by Cat Grad
HelenaCat95 wrote:LTown Cat wrote:CelticCat wrote:Once you are declared a redshirt, that is your only redshirt. If you are forced to play in that redshirt season, your eligibility ticker (4 years) starts the second you play on the field. So if you were thrust into the very last game of your redshirt season, that whole season would count against your eligibility.
The only way around this would to be awarded a medical redshirt. You have 4 years of eligibility, plus one year to red/greshirt.
Exactly, so for example take Mason. This year is an eligibility year. It is my understanding he can still redshirt????
I completely understand that this year counts for someone like him. He does not have 4 years of eligibility left. My question is, could he choose to redshirt next year--not play a single play next year--and have 3 years left starting in 2008?
Yes...you are correct. You get one redshirt year, you can use it during anyone of your 4 years of eligibility. Thus, you get 5 years (must be consecutive) to play 4.
Very well put. It's even in that very long link I posted from the NCAA Handbook--somewhere
I know--I read it
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:16 pm
by CelticCat
LTown Cat wrote:CelticCat wrote:Once you are declared a redshirt, that is your only redshirt. If you are forced to play in that redshirt season, your eligibility ticker (4 years) starts the second you play on the field. So if you were thrust into the very last game of your redshirt season, that whole season would count against your eligibility.
The only way around this would to be awarded a medical redshirt. You have 4 years of eligibility, plus one year to red/greshirt.
Exactly, so for example take Mason. This year is an eligibility year. It is my understanding he can still redshirt????
I completely understand that this year counts for someone like him. He does not have 4 years of eligibility left. My question is, could he choose to redshirt next year--not play a single play next year--and have 3 years left starting in 2008?
He starded the year as a redshirt. You can redshirt for an entire season, or 2 plays, that is all you get. He burned his redshirt, so he has three years left at MSU. He cannot redshirt again, unless he gets a medical one.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:20 pm
by LTown Cat
CelticCat wrote:LTown Cat wrote:CelticCat wrote:Once you are declared a redshirt, that is your only redshirt. If you are forced to play in that redshirt season, your eligibility ticker (4 years) starts the second you play on the field. So if you were thrust into the very last game of your redshirt season, that whole season would count against your eligibility.
The only way around this would to be awarded a medical redshirt. You have 4 years of eligibility, plus one year to red/greshirt.
Exactly, so for example take Mason. This year is an eligibility year. It is my understanding he can still redshirt????
I completely understand that this year counts for someone like him. He does not have 4 years of eligibility left. My question is, could he choose to redshirt next year--not play a single play next year--and have 3 years left starting in 2008?
He starded the year as a redshirt. You can redshirt for an entire season, or 2 plays, that is all you get. He burned his redshirt, so he has three years left at MSU. He cannot redshirt again, unless he gets a medical one.
That is the answer I was looking for. It appears that I was wrong arguing with my buddy, but I'll never admit it, besides, he is a Griz fan.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:24 pm
by catamaran
Then you were both wrong
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:28 pm
by kmax
CelticCat wrote:LTown Cat wrote:CelticCat wrote:Once you are declared a redshirt, that is your only redshirt. If you are forced to play in that redshirt season, your eligibility ticker (4 years) starts the second you play on the field. So if you were thrust into the very last game of your redshirt season, that whole season would count against your eligibility.
The only way around this would to be awarded a medical redshirt. You have 4 years of eligibility, plus one year to red/greshirt.
Exactly, so for example take Mason. This year is an eligibility year. It is my understanding he can still redshirt????
I completely understand that this year counts for someone like him. He does not have 4 years of eligibility left. My question is, could he choose to redshirt next year--not play a single play next year--and have 3 years left starting in 2008?
He starded the year as a redshirt. You can redshirt for an entire season, or 2 plays, that is all you get. He burned his redshirt, so he has three years left at MSU. He cannot redshirt again, unless he gets a medical one.
Celtic, sorry but I just do not believe that to be true, can you give a link to support that or something. The NCAA handbook strictly talks about having 5 years to play 4, nothing about having to declare ahead of time that a year is your redshirt year. Their five years starts at the time that they become a full-time enrolled student or they play.
14.2 SEASONS OF COMPETITION: FIVE-YEAR RULE
A student-athlete shall not engage in more than four seasons of intercollegiate competition in any one sport (see Bylaws 14.02.6 and 14.3.2). An institution shall not permit a student-athlete to represent it in intercollegiate competition unless the individual completes all of his or her seasons of participation in all sports within the time periods specified below:
14.2.1 Five-Year Rule
A student-athlete shall complete his or her seasons of participation within five calendar years from the beginning of the semester or quarter in which the student-athlete first registered for a minimum full-time program of studies in a collegiate institution, with time spent in the armed services, on official church missions or with recognized foreign aid services of the U.S. government being excepted. For foreign students, service in the armed forces or on an official church mission of the student’s home country is considered equivalent to such service in the United States.
14.2.1.1 Determining the Start of the Five-Year Period
For purposes of starting the count of time under the five-year rule, a student-athlete shall be considered registered at a collegiate institution (domestic or foreign; see Bylaw 14.02.3) when the student-athlete initially registers in a regular term (semester or quarter) of an academic year for a minimum full-time program of studies, as determined by the institution, and attends the student’s first day of classes for that term (see Bylaw 14.2.2).
You can read/search the entire Div I manual at
https://goomer.ncaa.org/wdbctx/lsdbi/LS ... earchInput
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:30 pm
by Cat Grad
Ummm, section V of the handbook clearly states you have five years to play four years, etc., etc.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:31 pm
by Cat Grad
Or you could read what the Mod already posted
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:05 pm
by twentythreeOh4
CelticCat wrote:LTown Cat wrote:CelticCat wrote:Once you are declared a redshirt, that is your only redshirt. If you are forced to play in that redshirt season, your eligibility ticker (4 years) starts the second you play on the field. So if you were thrust into the very last game of your redshirt season, that whole season would count against your eligibility.
The only way around this would to be awarded a medical redshirt. You have 4 years of eligibility, plus one year to red/greshirt.
Exactly, so for example take Mason. This year is an eligibility year. It is my understanding he can still redshirt????
I completely understand that this year counts for someone like him. He does not have 4 years of eligibility left. My question is, could he choose to redshirt next year--not play a single play next year--and have 3 years left starting in 2008?
He starded the year as a redshirt. You can redshirt for an entire season, or 2 plays, that is all you get. He burned his redshirt, so he has three years left at MSU. He cannot redshirt again, unless he gets a medical one.
Not true. There have been many players who have played as true Freshman that have red-shirted later. Does not have to be a medical red-shirt. You have 5 years to play 4.
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 7:22 pm
by GOKATS
Sorry CC, but I don't think you have to declare. As long as you don't play in a given year (per the rules) I think the redshirt can be applied in any year of a five year period. Rule clearly states you are eleigible to play 4 years out of five( not counting the medical exeption in which you can apply for a medical redshirt which has to be approved by NCAA).
You are right though- once a redshirt is burned at any time it is gone.