Neutered Shame (Notre Dame)

WetWaderMT · Post by **WetWaderMT** » Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:04 pm

Would someone please explain to me why this team gets soooooo much undeserved attention?! They play Army, Navy, Air Force, Stanford, and North Carolina in succession and everyone thinks they're deserving of some award (a BCS bid) for winning those games. What a joke...if any other team in the country plays those games everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, is bagging on them for playing one of the most pathetic schedules in the country, yet Neutered Shame is ranked 6th and gets a BCS bid for playing this schedule. When is someone going to call out the national media for their blantant bias?

I won't hold my breath....

Swilly3224 · Post by **Swilly3224** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 2:15 am

They are overrated this season, but lucky for them, they are still NOTRE DAME. Everybody else in the country doesnt have 11 national titles, everybody else in the country doesnt have 7 heisman winners. Notre Dame is good for college football, whether you LOVE them or HATE them you always want to see them win or lose.....NO INBETWEEN

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 8:34 am

Swilly3224 wrote:They are overrated this season, but lucky for them, they are still NOTRE DAME. Everybody else in the country doesnt have 11 national titles, everybody else in the country doesnt have 7 heisman winners. Notre Dame is good for college football, whether you LOVE them or HATE them you always want to see them win or lose.....NO INBETWEEN

Yeah but it pisses a lot of schools off who are PART OF A CONFERENCE. Those crooks, if they get to a BCS bowl that pays in the 7-8 figure dollar amount, get to pocket all of that money where as a team that is actually in the conference has to split it with all of the other members.

There's a lot of animosity in that sense. Plus, wouldn't it be really nice to collect all of the money as well simply because you have your own TV network? Amazing what not having to be in a conference will do for you.

They were exposed,once again, by USC and Michigan again this year. Playing nearly all of the armed forces schools, Stanford, and then a few other non BCS conference creampuffs can really make you look bad, unless you're Notre Dame.

GavinDonos · Post by **GavinDonos** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:48 am

lifeloyalsigmsu wrote:
Yeah but it pisses a lot of schools off who are PART OF A CONFERENCE. Those crooks, if they get to a BCS bowl that pays in the 7-8 figure dollar amount, get to pocket all of that money where as a team that is actually in the conference has to split it with all of the other members.

Actually, I think they were grouped with the Big 10 schools for BCS revinue sharing, if I remember correctly.

**edit** Looks like a new deal just came into the works:

From http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7659924/

According to collegebcs.com, the Irish won't receive a full share when it qualifies for a BCS game. Instead, Notre Dame will get get the equivalent to what a second team from a conference would get, which is currently $4.5 million. Then, in years in which the Irish do not play in a BCS game, they will receive $1 million from the BCS, about the share a non-participant from a BCS conference would receive once its conference divides it up.

tetoncat · Post by **tetoncat** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 3:43 pm

Feel the hate, two losses to teams ranked in the top 3, last 3 losses over the last 2 years are to Ohio State, Michigan, and USC. sounds tough to me.

SenorWeezer · Post by **SenorWeezer** » Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:53 pm

tetoncat wrote:Feel the hate, two losses to teams ranked in the top 3, last 3 losses over the last 2 years are to Ohio State, Michigan, and USC. sounds tough to me.

Exactly.

ANACAT · Post by **ANACAT** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:44 pm

Swilly3224 wrote:They are overrated this season, but lucky for them, they are still NOTRE DAME. Everybody else in the country doesnt have 11 national titles, everybody else in the country doesnt have 7 heisman winners. Notre Dame is good for college football, whether you LOVE them or HATE them you always want to see them win or lose.....NO INBETWEEN

WELL THERE IS A ANOTHER SCHOOL WITH 11 TITLES AND 7 HEISMAN WINNERS YOU MAY HAVE HEARD OF THEM I BELIEVE THEY RECENTLY PLAYED ND THAT SCHOOL IS USC AND ITS IS LOOKING LIKE NUMBER 12 IS COMING SOON

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:17 pm

Tell me, Neutered Shame fans, when is the last time that Notre Dame actually won a bowl game?

Notre Dame reminds me of the SEC. There was a time when both could ride on past reputation. However, Notre Dame has done nothing in the past decade to tell me that it's a special program. Nonetheless, Notre Dame fans insist that Notre Dame deserves special treatment because it's so unique.

Considering the way that Notre Dame treated Willingham, I have zero respect for the program.

Post by **SonomaCat** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:35 pm

I'd like to add that Charlie Weis was dressed like either a hobo or a junior high gym teacher during the USC game, which I think couldn't have made the ND boosters very happy. Can't he afford decent clothes, or is he just so sloth-like that the only clothes that fit are size XXXXXL sweathshirts and sweatpants?

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:56 pm

theblackgecko wrote:Tell me, Neutered Shame fans, when is the last time that Notre Dame actually won a bowl game?

Notre Dame reminds me of the SEC. There was a time when both could ride on past reputation. However, Notre Dame has done nothing in the past decade to tell me that it's a special program. Nonetheless, Notre Dame fans insist that Notre Dame deserves special treatment because it's so unique.

Considering the way that Notre Dame treated Willingham, I have zero respect for the program.

Agreed.

It's funny that many Notre Shame fans have annointed him as their savior and though he does have a 19-5 record over the past years, I think it should be noted that half of those wins are vs Stanford and a few of the armed forces schools.

They have done absolutely nothing to impress yet with their cupcake schedule every year to pad their wins, they seem to always be brought up for a BCS option. Every tough game they've had has resulted in a complete ass whooping except last year against USC.

If they went to any of the legitimate BCS conferences, they'd do ok, but I certainly don't think they'd be at the top of any of them.

lifeloyalsigmsu · Post by **lifeloyalsigmsu** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:02 pm

SenorWeezer wrote:
tetoncat wrote:Feel the hate, two losses to teams ranked in the top 3, last 3 losses over the last 2 years are to Ohio State, Michigan, and USC. sounds tough to me.

Exactly.

yep. IMpressive losses.

How about showing a list of who they've beat over the past 2 years. They did beat Michigan last year and Tennessee but both of those teams were really down last year. This year ND hasn't beat too many opponents who might be deemed "worthy". Just my opinion.

bcats · Post by **bcats** » Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:53 pm

Whether you love them or hate them Notre Dame is, was, and will always be the elite program in college football. You can say what you want about the money they recieve and the attention they get but when was the last time you saw this program with players causing problems off the field. Have you ever seen them involved in a brawl? You don't hear about recruiting problems or booster problems in Notre Dame. They also, God forbid, hold their athletes to a certain academic standard. They pray before games and have more time honored traditions than any program in the country. Say what you want about the Irish not winning the big game but respect the program and the institution behind it. By the way, their breakout season isn't too far away.

Billings Cat · Post by **Billings Cat** » Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:20 am

bcats wrote:Whether you love them or hate them Notre Dame is, was, and will always be the elite program in college football. You can say what you want about the money they recieve and the attention they get but when was the last time you saw this program with players causing problems off the field. Have you ever seen them involved in a brawl? You don't hear about recruiting problems or booster problems in Notre Dame. They also, God forbid, hold their athletes to a certain academic standard. They pray before games and have more time honored traditions than any program in the country. Say what you want about the Irish not winning the big game but respect the program and the institution behind it. By the way, their breakout season isn't too far away.

BREAKOUT (said like Jim Mora saying, "PLAYOFFS?")? Try rebuilding. After this year they are losing their best player for the last FOUR seasons at the most important position in college football-Quinn, possibly the best receiver they've had in the program since Tim Brown-Samardzija, their second leading receiver in McKnight, and their two best defensive players--Ndukwe and Zbikowski.

DevilHawk · Post by **DevilHawk** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:20 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:I'd like to add that Charlie Weis was dressed like either a hobo or a junior high gym teacher during the USC game, which I think couldn't have made the ND boosters very happy. Can't he afford decent clothes, or is he just so sloth-like that the only clothes that fit are size XXXXXL sweathshirts and sweatpants?

I guess Bill Belichick taught his coaches not only how to coach but how to dress. He did look out of place on that sideline.

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:21 pm

I got bored, so I looked up the BCS selection rules:

A complicated set of rules is used to determine which teams compete in the BCS bowl games[1]. Certain teams are given automatic berths depending on their BCS ranking and conference, as follows: The top two teams are given automatic berths in the BCS National Championship Game. The champions of the ACC, Big 12, Big East, Big Ten, Pac-10, and SEC conferences are guaranteed automatic BCS bowl appearances. The highest ranked champion of a non-BCS conference will receive an automatic berth if it is ranked in the top 12, or ranked in the top 16 and higher than another BCS Conference champion. A special case is made for the independent (non-conference) team Notre Dame, which receives an automatic berth if it finishes in the top eight. If there is an available spot the third-ranked team will receive an automatic berth. Again if there is another available spot the fourth-ranked team will receive an automatic berth.

After the automatic berths have been granted, the remaining berths, known as "at-large" berths, are filled from a pool of teams who are ranked in the top 14 and have at least nine wins. The actual teams that are chosen for the at-large berths are determined by the individual bowl committees.

I bring this up because the BCS has four at-large bids to hand out. Boise State gets one, due to the rule in bold. Michigan is ranked high enough to get the third ranked spot, and LSU might move into the fourth ranked spot.

Now, most of the experts have Notre Dame getting the fourth bid over teams such as Wisconsin and Louisville, not based on position, but rather because Notre Dame is more "deserving."

What bugs me to no end is that Wisconsin has only the loss to Michigan (rather than Notre Dame's losses to Michigan and USC), and lost by a closer margin to Michigan on the road than Notre Dame lost to Michigan at home.

So, Notre Dame fans, justify why Notre Dame is more deserving of a BCS bid than Wisconsin? Don't use the words tradition, Gipper, Rockne, or anything else that happened before I (or you most likely) were born. Mention something from this season which justifies Notre Dame for a BCS bid over Wisconsin.

theblackgecko · Post by **theblackgecko** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 3:18 pm

Okay, I stand corrected on my facts. Wisconsin can't go to a BCS bowl, because only two teams per conference can be selected.

bcats · Post by **bcats** » Thu Nov 30, 2006 5:57 pm

Billings Cat wrote:
bcats wrote:Whether you love them or hate them Notre Dame is, was, and will always be the elite program in college football. You can say what you want about the money they recieve and the attention they get but when was the last time you saw this program with players causing problems off the field. Have you ever seen them involved in a brawl? You don't hear about recruiting problems or booster problems in Notre Dame. They also, God forbid, hold their athletes to a certain academic standard. They pray before games and have more time honored traditions than any program in the country. Say what you want about the Irish not winning the big game but respect the program and the institution behind it. By the way, their breakout season isn't too far away.
BREAKOUT (said like Jim Mora saying, "PLAYOFFS?")? Try rebuilding. After this year they are losing their best player for the last FOUR seasons at the most important position in college football-Quinn, possibly the best receiver they've had in the program since Tim Brown-Samardzija, their second leading receiver in McKnight, and their two best defensive players--Ndukwe and Zbikowski.

Rivals has Notre Dame's recruiting class in the top five. They also signed the most touted QB (Jimmy Clausen) in over 20 years. They will be back in the top 10 next year but wait until 08'.