IA discussion on degriz

94VegasCat · Post by **94VegasCat** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:25 am

I just wanted to say that I think that most griz fans are reasonably intelligent......... right up until they start their annual discussion of going to the big show. How dumb are they? I saw on egriz that in the last five days they have had almost 150 posts about moving up. I read the first page and by the time I was done, I was in tears I was laughing so hard.

STUPID STUPID STUPID

Am I the only one that thinks this? Why do some people think that the griz can be competitive at the IA level? Have they ever actually been to a game between TWO IA teams?

longhorn_22 · Post by **longhorn_22** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 12:46 am

94VegasCat wrote:I just wanted to say that I think that most griz fans are reasonably intelligent......... right up until they start their annual discussion of going to the big show. How dumb are they? I saw on egriz that in the last five days they have had almost 150 posts about moving up. I read the first page and by the time I was done, I was in tears I was laughing so hard.

STUPID STUPID STUPID

Am I the only one that thinks this? Why do some people think that the griz can be competitive at the IA level? Have they ever actually been to a game between TWO IA teams?

This should be on the smack board probably. But I agree that the griz should not go IA. I think they will suck there. But they have every right to think they can move up and compete jsut as any other team does looking to move up. Look at the track record. I agree it would not be smart, but teams can improve from IAA to IA.

Billings_Griz · Post by **Billings_Griz** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:24 am

Lighten up Francis, the post's on egriz are opinions...by FANS.

I can post away about winning the lottery, building a 10,000 sq ft house and have a Hummer and Viper in the drive-way, but it probably wouldn't happen.

Is there something wrong w/ wanting to be being better?

It's nice to have the facilities to talk about going 1-A.

NavyBlue · Post by **NavyBlue** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:45 am

Don't take offense but I think some of you Cat fans fear a Griz move to 1-A because it would leave the Cats behind. Truthfully, I think the Cats and the Griz should be planning a move to the WAC together in about 10 years. The Griz are closer to being ready than MSU is, but with work, a goal, and a 10 year plan the Cats could be there too.

The WAC would give both schools more exposure and revenue opportunities. It would also allow both schools to play their peer instititutions in other states instead of the directional schools that are more and more what the 1-AA division is being made up of.

Kadeezy · Post by **Kadeezy** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 8:58 am

When it all comes down to it... I don't think teams will be willing to make the trip to Montana. I've heard that they can be some rough trips.

DriftCat · Post by **DriftCat** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:02 am

I would love to see the friz make the jump up. Then I could watch all the fans crying about how bad they suck and how it was the dumbest move ever. And, after all, what's friz football without those home playoff games?

Billings_Griz · Post by **Billings_Griz** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:17 am

MM7CAT wrote:I would love to see the friz make the jump up. Then I could watch all the fans crying about how bad they suck and how it was the dumbest move ever. And, after all, what's friz football without those home playoff games?

Maybe you should drop to NAIA, then MAYBE you could get a home playoff game.

canyoncat · Post by **canyoncat** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:17 am

I do think that the Griz deserve a shot at I-A. However, I just don't think the state of Montana has the tax base to support it (extra sports, scholarships and travel). With out MSU being able to make the jump at this time and a tax base that is probably too small, I don't think it will happen. At least not for another 10 -15 years as the states population grows past the million mark.

But then again the NCAA might make that decision for everyone!

old wise one · Post by **old wise one** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:37 am

Navy Blue,

I think you can take your attitude of "Cats are the little step sister to the Griz" back to ejizz.

All you ever talk about is how the jizzlies should move to 1-A. Who are you a fan of, Jizzlies, Aggies or Ronbo?

Do you think Utah State should move back to D11?

griz8791 · Post by **griz8791** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 9:41 am

You make it sound like opinon about this is unanimous over there. It's not, and never has been. There are people who think it makes sense, and others who think it would be suicide. Personally, I think the first group has a very tenuous grasp of reality. I know you're all shocked to learn there are Griz fans who need a reality check, but there it is.

NavyBlue · Post by **NavyBlue** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:00 am

Well "old wise one", you may be old, and I have no doubt you are one, alone that is, but wise, no. Just kidding, man.

Second I am a fan of both Montana schools. And I have no attitude of MSU being a little sister or what ever. I was just stating that it sounded like some Cat fans had a case of sour grapes beacause the Griz have the OPPORTUNITY to move up, and I think some Cat fans might be a little jealous. I drove over two hours to see a Bobcat basketball team and was very impressed with the players especially Casey Durham, Alioune Beye, and Ted Morris. I hope USU's players reresent my school as well as those guys reresent yours. Even though I am from a town near Missoula, growing up I always wanted to got MSU and got a lot of crap for cheering for the CATS, so I am no Griz shill. Do I like the GRIZ yes, I also like the CATS, and I have never denied that on egriz.

And last, Utah State has never been DII, EVER. Nor has USU been I-AA either, I could argue they probably should have been though. I don't see what thay matters to this discussion however.

whitetrashgriz · Post by **whitetrashgriz** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:08 am

NavyBlue wrote:Well "old wise one", you may be old, and I have no doubt you are one, alone that is, but wise, no.

Second I am a fan of both Montana schools. And I have no attitude of MSU being a little sister or what ever. I was just stating that it sounded like some Cat fans had a case of sour grapes beacause the Griz have the OPPORTUNITY to move up, and I think some Cat fans might be a little jealous.

And last, Utah State has never been DII, EVER. Nor has USU been I-AA either, I could argue they probably should have been though. I don't see what thay matters to this discussion however.

when did the griz have an opportunity to move up? did they recieve an offer to jion a 1-a conference? or are you assuming that some cat fans have sour grapes because griz fans are talking about griz moving up. because i think most fans of many schools are used to griz fans thinking more of their program than anyone else, so i wouldn't be surprised if the griz were moving up, replacing the nfc in next years superbowl, bobby huack being offered a job at usc, swogger being the frontrunner for the heisman, or mens and womens basketball moving to the pac-10 for more of a challenge. point is, griz FANS say a lot of things. until i hear a report that the wac or some conference would like them to join, i'll sit back and watch everyone fight about it. but i think "sour grapes" is incorrect in this one. although....i am always incorrect so who knows.

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:20 am

whitetrashgriz wrote:when did the griz have an opportunity to move up? did they recieve an offer to jion a 1-a conference?

The Griz have never received an offer (to my knowledge), but it is widely believed among fans (both Griz fans and fans of WAC teams) that the WAC would accept UM if UM showed any interest whatsoever. It's all message board gossip; there's nothing concrete, but it is more than just a few arrogant Griz fans thinking the program is better than it is...

So maybe Navy overspoke a bit when he said UM has an "opportunity" to move up, but it is widely (albeit unofficially) believed that the opportunity does exist.

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:36 am

Billings_Griz wrote: It's nice to have the facilities to talk about going 1-A.

The Griz might have adequate facilities for football (very good for 1-AA but poor for 1-A) and basketball, but the rest of your sports you think have great facilities? I would venture that your other sports would not be up to par for the WAC, maybe the Sun Belt... Griz fans like to believe that there are no other sports outside of football and basketball, but school ADs and Presidents that make the decisions realize there are more.

Grizlaw · Post by **Grizlaw** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:56 am

G.W.Bush wrote:The Griz might have adequate facilities for football (very good for 1-AA but poor for 1-A) and basketball, but the rest of your sports you think have great facilities? I would venture that your other sports would not be up to par for the WAC, maybe the Sun Belt... Griz fans like to believe that there are no other sports outside of football and basketball, but school ADs and Presidents that make the decisions realize there are more.

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but what other sports are there that require better facilities than what UM has? It's a serious question; I'm not trying to be argumentative. Baseball requires a nice stadium, but we don't have baseball. Do you really think most WAC schools are way ahead of UM in terms of their soccer, tennis, track & field, etc. facilities?

Maybe they are; I don't know...I'm just throwing the question out there. It does seem to me, though, that football and basketball are the two sports that require the most in terms of facilities...

NavyBlue · Post by **NavyBlue** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 11:13 am

I have it on very good authority that UM would be welcomed to the WAC if they wanted to be there. Somone high in the USU administration told me that USU, Idaho, Boise State, Nevada, and "others" would like to see UM in the WAC.

G.W.Bush · Post by **G.W.Bush** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:05 pm

Grizlaw wrote:
G.W.Bush wrote:The Griz might have adequate facilities for football (very good for 1-AA but poor for 1-A) and basketball, but the rest of your sports you think have great facilities? I would venture that your other sports would not be up to par for the WAC, maybe the Sun Belt... Griz fans like to believe that there are no other sports outside of football and basketball, but school ADs and Presidents that make the decisions realize there are more.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but what other sports are there that require better facilities than what UM has? It's a serious question; I'm not trying to be argumentative. Baseball requires a nice stadium, but we don't have baseball. Do you really think most WAC schools are way ahead of UM in terms of their soccer, tennis, track & field, etc. facilities?

Maybe they are; I don't know...I'm just throwing the question out there. It does seem to me, though, that football and basketball are the two sports that require the most in terms of facilities...

From my understanding the Griz's tennis and track facilities are not at the level the WAC would expect from their members. The other facilities I don't know about.

Billings_Griz · Post by **Billings_Griz** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:14 pm

G.W.Bush wrote:
Grizlaw wrote:
G.W.Bush wrote:The Griz might have adequate facilities for football (very good for 1-AA but poor for 1-A) and basketball, but the rest of your sports you think have great facilities? I would venture that your other sports would not be up to par for the WAC, maybe the Sun Belt... Griz fans like to believe that there are no other sports outside of football and basketball, but school ADs and Presidents that make the decisions realize there are more.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but what other sports are there that require better facilities than what UM has? It's a serious question; I'm not trying to be argumentative. Baseball requires a nice stadium, but we don't have baseball. Do you really think most WAC schools are way ahead of UM in terms of their soccer, tennis, track & field, etc. facilities?

Maybe they are; I don't know...I'm just throwing the question out there. It does seem to me, though, that football and basketball are the two sports that require the most in terms of facilities...
From my understanding the Griz's tennis and track facilities are not at the level the WAC would expect from their members. The other facilities I don't know about.

We could probably update our Tennis and Track facilities before you get rid of those nice wooden bleachers.

On a side note, I hope UM doesn't move up to 1-A.

raincat · Post by **raincat** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:30 pm

On or about 1968 Boise State stopped being a junior college. After a couple of years of developement in DII as an independant they moved to the BSC. They succeeded immediately. In time the program flourished and talk was underway about "moving up". "Oh no you don't..you're not moving up without Idaho and Idaho State, the legislators will not allow it, Idaho doesn't have the population to support 3 D1A programs!" Well, once someone did the math and figured what a "big time" program can do financially, what 40,000 seats full of screaming boosters can mean to a region/community/State, Boise State escaped alone into a well planned transition with support and vision. True, Boise fans no longer host Montana or NAU or Weber State; but they do see Washington State, Oregon State and will play anyone, anywhere and compete well. I don't think it's that big of a stretch to see the griz there....the only major game in town with a population base of nearly a million.
If Montana (the State) wants to keep the lid on and stay "small time" (and don't delude yourself into thinking the BSC otherwise) then so be it. If it's time for the griz to move up, and they have a viable plan I say "go for it". For a while the CATS were there and we blew it. We are on our way back and our time will come.

Ponycat · Post by **Ponycat** » Tue Feb 28, 2006 3:50 pm

raincat wrote: Boise State escaped alone

Did you not notice that Idaho went with them to D1, and Idaho was considered that better program at the time.

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