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Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:03 pm

2. Furman
Record: 8-1

FCS Record: 8-0

D1 Wins: 8 (Tennessee Tech, Kennesaw, Mercer, The Citadel, Samford, WCU, ETSU, Chattanooga)

FCS Losses: 0

FBS Losses: 1 (South Carolina)

Then-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 21 Mercer, No. 8 WCU, No. 14 Chattanooga)

Now-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 23 Mercer, No. 17 WCU, No. 19 Chattanooga)

Massey SOS: 50th

3. Montana
Record: 8-1

FCS Record: 7-1

Non-D1 Wins: 1 (Ferris State)

D1 Wins: 7 (Butler, Utah Tech, Idaho State, UC Davis, Idaho, Northern Colorado, Sac State)

FCS Losses: 1 (NAU)

Then-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 20 UC Davis, No. 3 Idaho, No. 7 Sac State)

Now-Ranked Wins: 2 (No. 4 Idaho, No. 9 Sac State)

Massey SOS: 44th

4. Idaho
Record: 7-2

FCS Record: 6-1

D1 Wins: 7 (Lamar, Nevada, Sac State, EWU, Cal Poly, Montana State, Northern Colorado)

FCS Losses: 1 (No. 3 Montana)

FBS Losses: 1 (Cal)

FBS Wins: 1 (Nevada)

Then-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 4 Sac State, No. 19 EWU, No. 2 Montana State)

Now-Ranked Wins: 2 (No. 9 Sac State, No. 5 Montana State)

Massey SOS: 7th

5. Montana State
Record: 7-2

FCS Record: 7-2

D1 Wins: 7 (Utah Tech, Stetson, Weber, Portland State, Cal Poly, Sac State, NAU)

FCS Losses: 2 (No. 1 SDSU, No. 4 Idaho)

Then-Ranked Wins: 2 (No. 10 Weber, No. 3 Sac State)

Now-Ranked Wins: 1 (No. 9 Sac State)

Massey SOS: 9th

From Hero Sports. https://herosports.com/fcs-football-202 ... umes-bzbz/

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

tdub wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:11 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

tdub wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:11 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:30 pm

tdub wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:11 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Cataholic wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:36 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:30 pm

tdub wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:11 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

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Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:18 pm

Cataholic wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:36 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:30 pm

tdub wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:11 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

Yes. I will give you some quotes when I get time. Anyone can contact the committee.

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Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:40 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:18 pm

Cataholic wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:36 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:30 pm

tdub wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:11 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

Yes. I will give you some quotes when I get time. Anyone can contact the committee.

As a lawyer, it is kind of like you talking to a jury before they make a decision. There is no issue in your mind?

BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:46 pm

Cataholic wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:40 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:18 pm

Cataholic wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:36 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:30 pm

tdub wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:11 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

Yes. I will give you some quotes when I get time. Anyone can contact the committee.

As a lawyer, it is kind of like you talking to a jury before they make a decision. There is no issue in your mind?

There’s no rule against contacting the selection committee. For example, Hallam is on it. If Costello was on it, do you think boosters shouldn’t be allowed to talk to their AD? That wouldn’t make a lot of sense.

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BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:46 pm

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Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:18 pm

Cataholic wrote: ↑

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Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:30 pm

tdub wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:11 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

Yes. I will give you some quotes when I get time. Anyone can contact the committee.

As a lawyer, it is kind of like you talking to a jury before they make a decision. There is no issue in your mind?

There’s no rule against contacting the selection committee. For example, Hallam is on it. If Costello was on it, do you think boosters shouldn’t be allowed to talk to their AD? That wouldn’t make a lot of sense.

Geezus. I am just f#cking with the guy. Your obsession with my posts are really strange….

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:18 pm

Cataholic wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 3:36 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:30 pm

tdub wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 2:11 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

Yes. I will give you some quotes when I get time. Anyone can contact the committee.

BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:14 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

The same Ferris State that isn’t even a seeded team in the D2 playoffs?

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BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:14 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

The same Ferris State that isn’t even a seeded team in the D2 playoffs?

Yes, the Ferris team that is the two-time defending D2 champion and lost only 1 game this season other than to UM.

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Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:59 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

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BelligerentBobcat wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:14 pm

Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:42 pm

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

The same Ferris State that isn’t even a seeded team in the D2 playoffs?

Yes, the Ferris team that is the two-time defending D2 champion and lost only 1 game this season other than to UM.

Ferris would be 5th at best in the BSC. Theyre a good D2 but that’s why those wins don’t count. UM, MSU, Idaho, and Sac would all beat them. I bet they’d stumble at least once to another team too.

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LTown Cat wrote: ↑

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Grizfan7 wrote: ↑

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Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

The same Ferris State that isn’t even a seeded team in the D2 playoffs?

Yes, the Ferris team that is the two-time defending D2 champion and lost only 1 game this season other than to UM.

Ferris would be 5th at best in the BSC. Theyre a good D2 but that’s why those wins don’t count. UM, MSU, Idaho, and Sac would all beat them. I bet they’d stumble at least once to another team too.

What wins don't count?

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Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

The same Ferris State that isn’t even a seeded team in the D2 playoffs?

Yes, the Ferris team that is the two-time defending D2 champion and lost only 1 game this season other than to UM.

Ferris would be 5th at best in the BSC. Theyre a good D2 but that’s why those wins don’t count. UM, MSU, Idaho, and Sac would all beat them. I bet they’d stumble at least once to another team too.

What wins don't count?

Yeah, yeah, yeah…I know the committee discusses them but it’s still a benchmark to get to 7 D1 wins. If the Griz played Ferris now they’d roll them. UM wasn’t playing well early. Ferris is not as tough as a lot of UM fans want them to be. They would not be top tier in the BSC.