Furman, UM, Idaho and MSU

[Grizfan7]

2. Furman
Record: 8-1

FCS Record: 8-0

D1 Wins: 8 (Tennessee Tech, Kennesaw, Mercer, The Citadel, Samford, WCU, ETSU, Chattanooga)

FCS Losses: 0

FBS Losses: 1 (South Carolina)

Then-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 21 Mercer, No. 8 WCU, No. 14 Chattanooga)

Now-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 23 Mercer, No. 17 WCU, No. 19 Chattanooga)

Massey SOS: 50th

3. Montana
Record: 8-1

FCS Record: 7-1

Non-D1 Wins: 1 (Ferris State)

D1 Wins: 7 (Butler, Utah Tech, Idaho State, UC Davis, Idaho, Northern Colorado, Sac State)

FCS Losses: 1 (NAU)

Then-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 20 UC Davis, No. 3 Idaho, No. 7 Sac State)

Now-Ranked Wins: 2 (No. 4 Idaho, No. 9 Sac State)

Massey SOS: 44th

4. Idaho
Record: 7-2

FCS Record: 6-1

D1 Wins: 7 (Lamar, Nevada, Sac State, EWU, Cal Poly, Montana State, Northern Colorado)

FCS Losses: 1 (No. 3 Montana)

FBS Losses: 1 (Cal)

FBS Wins: 1 (Nevada)

Then-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 4 Sac State, No. 19 EWU, No. 2 Montana State)

Now-Ranked Wins: 2 (No. 9 Sac State, No. 5 Montana State)

Massey SOS: 7th

5. Montana State
Record: 7-2

FCS Record: 7-2

D1 Wins: 7 (Utah Tech, Stetson, Weber, Portland State, Cal Poly, Sac State, NAU)

FCS Losses: 2 (No. 1 SDSU, No. 4 Idaho)

Then-Ranked Wins: 2 (No. 10 Weber, No. 3 Sac State)

Now-Ranked Wins: 1 (No. 9 Sac State)

Massey SOS: 9th

From Hero Sports. https://herosports.com/fcs-football-202 ... umes-bzbz/

[Grizfan7]

Hero/Herder top 15 this week:

South Dakota State
Montana
Montana State
Furman
South Dakota
Idaho
Delaware
UAlbany
Sacramento State
North Dakota State
North Carolina Central
Villanova
Western Carolina
Northern Iowa
North Dakota

[TomCat88]

2. Furman
Record: 8-1

FCS Record: 8-0

D1 Wins: 8 (Tennessee Tech, Kennesaw, Mercer, The Citadel, Samford, WCU, ETSU, Chattanooga)

FCS Losses: 0

FBS Losses: 1 (South Carolina)

Then-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 21 Mercer, No. 8 WCU, No. 14 Chattanooga)

Now-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 23 Mercer, No. 17 WCU, No. 19 Chattanooga)

Massey SOS: 50th

3. Montana
Record: 8-1

FCS Record: 7-1

Non-D1 Wins: 1 (Ferris State)

D1 Wins: 7 (Butler, Utah Tech, Idaho State, UC Davis, Idaho, Northern Colorado, Sac State)

FCS Losses: 1 (NAU)

Then-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 20 UC Davis, No. 3 Idaho, No. 7 Sac State)

Now-Ranked Wins: 2 (No. 4 Idaho, No. 9 Sac State)

Massey SOS: 44th

4. Idaho
Record: 7-2

FCS Record: 6-1

D1 Wins: 7 (Lamar, Nevada, Sac State, EWU, Cal Poly, Montana State, Northern Colorado)

FCS Losses: 1 (No. 3 Montana)

FBS Losses: 1 (Cal)

FBS Wins: 1 (Nevada)

Then-Ranked Wins: 3 (No. 4 Sac State, No. 19 EWU, No. 2 Montana State)

Now-Ranked Wins: 2 (No. 9 Sac State, No. 5 Montana State)

Massey SOS: 7th

5. Montana State
Record: 7-2

FCS Record: 7-2

D1 Wins: 7 (Utah Tech, Stetson, Weber, Portland State, Cal Poly, Sac State, NAU)

FCS Losses: 2 (No. 1 SDSU, No. 4 Idaho)

Then-Ranked Wins: 2 (No. 10 Weber, No. 3 Sac State)

Now-Ranked Wins: 1 (No. 9 Sac State)

Massey SOS: 9th

From Hero Sports. https://herosports.com/fcs-football-202 ... umes-bzbz/

What’s UMs and MSUs SOS now?

Edit: 43 and 10

[Grizfan7]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

[tdub]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

[coloradocat]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

You just don't get it. If enough local media members say that Ferris would be a mid-tier BSC team, the committee has to take that into account. How dare you question Boxscorefan7.

[Grizfan7]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

[Cataholic]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

[BelligerentBobcat]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

The same Ferris State that isn’t even a seeded team in the D2 playoffs?

[Grizfan7]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

Yes. I will give you some quotes when I get time. Anyone can contact the committee.

[Cataholic]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

Yes. I will give you some quotes when I get time. Anyone can contact the committee.

As a lawyer, it is kind of like you talking to a jury before they make a decision. There is no issue in your mind?

[BelligerentBobcat]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

Yes. I will give you some quotes when I get time. Anyone can contact the committee.

As a lawyer, it is kind of like you talking to a jury before they make a decision. There is no issue in your mind?

There’s no rule against contacting the selection committee. For example, Hallam is on it. If Costello was on it, do you think boosters shouldn’t be allowed to talk to their AD? That wouldn’t make a lot of sense.

[Cataholic]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

Yes. I will give you some quotes when I get time. Anyone can contact the committee.

As a lawyer, it is kind of like you talking to a jury before they make a decision. There is no issue in your mind?

There’s no rule against contacting the selection committee. For example, Hallam is on it. If Costello was on it, do you think boosters shouldn’t be allowed to talk to their AD? That wouldn’t make a lot of sense.

Geezus. I am just f#cking with the guy. Your obsession with my posts are really strange….

[BelligerentBobcat]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

Yes. I will give you some quotes when I get time. Anyone can contact the committee.

As a lawyer, it is kind of like you talking to a jury before they make a decision. There is no issue in your mind?

There’s no rule against contacting the selection committee. For example, Hallam is on it. If Costello was on it, do you think boosters shouldn’t be allowed to talk to their AD? That wouldn’t make a lot of sense.

Geezus. I am just f#cking with the guy. Your obsession with my posts are really strange….

Seek help. You’re imagining things again.

[Grizfan7]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

Honest question. How can a D2 team (Ferris, or any other for that matter) factor in to strength of schedule metrics? When all other games of that opponent are D2 games. No common opponents, exceedingly few transitive games. Doesn’t seem like enough data points for it to figure in. D2 teams aren’t included in any D1 rankings. So no matter how good or bad the D2 team is, it can’t affect SOS. Doesn’t mean playoff committees don’t discuss those games.

In this example, I don’t think there is any feasible way to argue with data that a good D2 team would improve a SOS. And even though the D2 win counts in overall record, I really doubt winning any sort of D2 game could be used as an argument to improve seeding. It won’t hurt it, but it won’t help it. Which is the risk of playing a D2 in terms of playoff seeding. Not much positive effect can come of it.

I don't know, but the selection criteria doesn't mention a particular source or metric. The criteria say "strength of schedule". I don't know how anyone knowledgeable could say that Ferris is a weak team. After they lost to the Griz, some commentators said Ferris was easily a top 25 FCS team and would compete in the top half of the Big Sky. The committee can tell that Ferris is a better teams than some that the Cats and Griz played.

I know the committee discusses D2 games, because they told me they did when I contacted them.

I don't like formula SOS's because they measure Strength of the opposition, so a loss to a very good opponent counts a lot. Who cares if the Cats play a good Oregon St team and gets clobbered by them. Yes, helps strength of schedule, but a big loss doesn't tell me anything positive about the tough game.

You contacted the selection committee? That sounds really questionable. I am not familiar with all the infractions rules, but having a super fan booster contact the selection committee definitely seems like a move that deserves scrutiny. And before you say it had nothing to do with UM selection criteria, everything you say has a Gris spin with it.

Yes. I will give you some quotes when I get time. Anyone can contact the committee.

I communicated with several former/current members of the committee. I believe I am the person who prompted Sam Herder to realize what he had been saying on D2 wins/games for years, had been wrong.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/champi ... Manual.pdf, page 16.

"1. The committee shall select the best teams available on a national at-large basis to complete the bracket. Per NCAA
Bylaw 31, the basic criteria used in the selection of at-large participants are (1) won-lost record, (2) strength of
schedule, and (3) eligibility and availability of student-athletes for the NCAA championship;

3. The won-lost record of a team will be scrutinized to determine a team’s strength of schedule; however, fewer than
six Division I wins may place a team in jeopardy of not being selected;

4. The committee may give more consideration to those teams that have played all Division I opponents; and

6. The committee will use the AFCA Coaches’ Poll and the Stats Perform FCS Top 25 Poll as a tool for evaluating teams."

"The answers to [questions about Division 2 games] are in point three where less than six Division I wins MAY place a team in jeopardy of not being selected and in point four where the committee MAY give more consideration to those teams that have played all Division I opponents.

Division 2 games are not automatically removed from a team’s resume, but do become a point of evaluation when comparing teams under consideration."

[Grizfan7]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

The same Ferris State that isn’t even a seeded team in the D2 playoffs?

Yes, the Ferris team that is the two-time defending D2 champion and lost only 1 game this season other than to UM.

Edit: Ferris is ranked no. 4 in the D2 poll.

[LTown Cat]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

The same Ferris State that isn’t even a seeded team in the D2 playoffs?

Yes, the Ferris team that is the two-time defending D2 champion and lost only 1 game this season other than to UM.

Ferris would be 5th at best in the BSC. Theyre a good D2 but that’s why those wins don’t count. UM, MSU, Idaho, and Sac would all beat them. I bet they’d stumble at least once to another team too.

[Grizfan7]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

The same Ferris State that isn’t even a seeded team in the D2 playoffs?

Yes, the Ferris team that is the two-time defending D2 champion and lost only 1 game this season other than to UM.

Ferris would be 5th at best in the BSC. Theyre a good D2 but that’s why those wins don’t count. UM, MSU, Idaho, and Sac would all beat them. I bet they’d stumble at least once to another team too.

What wins don't count?

[LTown Cat]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

The same Ferris State that isn’t even a seeded team in the D2 playoffs?

Yes, the Ferris team that is the two-time defending D2 champion and lost only 1 game this season other than to UM.

Ferris would be 5th at best in the BSC. Theyre a good D2 but that’s why those wins don’t count. UM, MSU, Idaho, and Sac would all beat them. I bet they’d stumble at least once to another team too.

What wins don't count?

Yeah, yeah, yeah…I know the committee discusses them but it’s still a benchmark to get to 7 D1 wins. If the Griz played Ferris now they’d roll them. UM wasn’t playing well early. Ferris is not as tough as a lot of UM fans want them to be. They would not be top tier in the BSC.

[Grizfan7]

Herder/Hero says the SOS's will be Cats-5, Idaho-9, SS-21, and UM 31. Furman - 61. SDS is 17 (probably because they can't play themselves).

I don't know where Herder/Hero is getting its SOS. The SOS's vary by source. I'm guessing Herder's SOS is discounting Ferris for UM.

https://herosports.com/fcs-2023-teams-p ... tion-bzbz/

The same Ferris State that isn’t even a seeded team in the D2 playoffs?

Yes, the Ferris team that is the two-time defending D2 champion and lost only 1 game this season other than to UM.

Ferris would be 5th at best in the BSC. Theyre a good D2 but that’s why those wins don’t count. UM, MSU, Idaho, and Sac would all beat them. I bet they’d stumble at least once to another team too.

What wins don't count?

Yeah, yeah, yeah…I know the committee discusses them but it’s still a benchmark to get to 7 D1 wins. If the Griz played Ferris now they’d roll them. UM wasn’t playing well early. Ferris is not as tough as a lot of UM fans want them to be. They would not be top tier in the BSC.

I'm not sure what you know and don't know, from what you have said above. D2 wins count in overall schedule. There's not a "benchmark" of 7 D1 wins. Only getting 6 D1 wins "may" place a team in jeopardy from being selected. The number of D1 wins "may" be considered. You seemed to say that D2 wins don't count. That statement is wrong.