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Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:30 pm
by catatac
Had a discussion with a friend about this and there is NO DOUBT he was incredibly successful at UM the first time around. He never won "The Big One" but the success they had under him cannot be argued.
Then he gets hired at UNLV. I had to look it up and I had forgotten just how terrible his results were there. They went 5-7 in 2009 and then in Bobby's five years there they went:
2010: 2-11
2011: 2-10
2012: 2-11
2013: 7-6
2014: 2-11
Yes he had a winning season in 2013 but how do you explain FOUR years with two wins in each? You'd think 2014 maybe he would have turned the corner but they not only lost 11 games - they lost their last six. Also, some of these games were not pretty - blowouts. All the Griz fans say it's because it's impossible to win at UNLV but I call BS on that. I know it's very challenging but it can be done. No reason at all they can't at least flirt with going 50\50 in a given year. Since Bobby left they've improved every year and they are 2-1 this year so far.
So, was he just lucky the first go around with stacked and loaded teams and probably the best (at the time) recruiting advantages in all of FCS?
I think WIU exposed some weaknesses on Saturday and with a talented Sac team coming to town, Griz Nation might be setting up for en epic melt down.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:37 pm
by gtapp
UNLV is a little like coaching at Wyoming. Very hard to win.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:12 pm
by KittieKop
gtapp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:37 pm
UNLV is a little like coaching at Wyoming. Very hard to win.
And UM has traditionally been an "easy" place to win. See Bob Stitt. Win it "all"? No, but consistently year in year out have a winning record and more often than not in the playoffs? Yes.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:11 pm
by MSU Toddler
gtapp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:37 pm
UNLV is a little like coaching at Wyoming. Very hard to win.
Since 1968, only two UNLV coaches had a lower winning percentage than Hauck. His high school replacement coach is .333% since taking over.
For the record: I think Hauck is a good coach and makes the rivalry fun (love to hate him and hope they lose every game).
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:31 am
by WeedKillinCat
I think he is an OK coach. But When he was at UM the last go round, he let a lot of players do their thing. They were practically worshiped and could do no wrong in the public's eye. Plus you have to wonder if he had inherited a ton of good players from the Joe Glenn era. Then it blew up after he left.
I think this time it will be harder for him. He is starting over and Stitt didn't leave him a lot of talent.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:19 am
by Montanabob
Vegas was always a hard sell to get athletes to attend....
Now with Raider nation moving there, it may get better.
No one wanted to go through spring ball at 100 degrees and nothing but casinos and prostitutes brought in the wrong players.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:09 pm
by griz5700
No.
He is an INCREDIBLE Coach.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:32 pm
by BozoneCat
Hauck is a crappy coach and a worse human being. UM and him deserve each other.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:30 am
by DriscollCat
BozoneCat wrote: ↑Wed Sep 19, 2018 11:32 pm
Hauck is a crappy coach and a worse human being. UM and him deserve each other.
+1
I don't think he makes the rivalry more fun. I think he makes it dysfunctional.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 9:01 am
by ilovethecats
I think hauck is a pretty good coach and a great fit at um.
I think his little "I hate Bozeman so bad I won't even get gas there" crap has lost it's luster since he inquired about the coaching vacancy a few years ago. but I think he's still good for the rivalry.
I don't think he's the messiah like the griz fans are hoping. many seem to think he's just going to walk in and dominate the conference and compete for national titles because his name is bobby hauck. I don't see that happening so easily. he has a lot of work to do. and he's not walking into the same conference he did 15+ years ago.
they used to give us crap about mcghee calling him black jesus, our savior, etc. well they're doing the exact same thing with hauck and many are going to be in for a rude awakening.
he's great for this conference though
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:48 pm
by grizpack
I think he is a really good coach, and am very happy to have him back. Not many Griz fans think it will be an immediate turn-around. The skill positions are pretty good, but the lines need some very serious work (especially the O-line). That will take at least 3 years. The overall talent level needs to be improved. And the entire football attitude needed to be changed. However, even with the stumble last week, this team is already better than they were with Stitt. And again, it has a very long way to go.
I think he and Choate are great for the rivalry. They both "get it". I think they will have a little fun at all of our expense.
And I disagree with the thought that the conference is "better" than it used to be. We haven't had anyone seriously challenge in the playoffs except EWU. We may have more teams, but the days when the BSC had 1 or 2 teams in the semi-finals are gone. It will take a lot of work for the conference to get back there. Hopefully, between UM, MSU, EWU and UI, we can get it rolling again. I just don't see anyone else making a consistent push. Maaaaaybe Weber, but they can't seem to string more than 1 good year together.
The conference is simply too big. The fact that we don't play each team each year is ridiculous. That is what a conference is supposed to do.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:06 pm
by catatac
grizpack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:48 pm
I think he is a really good coach, and am very happy to have him back.
Not many Griz fans think it will be an immediate turn-around. The skill positions are pretty good, but the lines need some very serious work (especially the O-line). That will take at least 3 years. The overall talent level needs to be improved. And the entire football attitude needed to be changed. However, even with the stumble last week, this team is already better than they were with Stitt. And again, it has a very long way to go.
I think he and Choate are great for the rivalry. They both "get it". I think they will have a little fun at all of our expense.
And I disagree with the thought that the conference is "better" than it used to be. We haven't had anyone seriously challenge in the playoffs except EWU. We may have more teams, but the days when the BSC had 1 or 2 teams in the semi-finals are gone. It will take a lot of work for the conference to get back there. Hopefully, between UM, MSU, EWU and UI, we can get it rolling again. I just don't see anyone else making a consistent push. Maaaaaybe Weber, but they can't seem to string more than 1 good year together.
The conference is simply too big. The fact that we don't play each team each year is ridiculous. That is what a conference is supposed to do.
Agree with some of your comments, but disagree with some. Definitely agree the conference is too big, but I think you might be out of touch with what is going on with other programs in the conference. Teams like Weber, MSU, Southern Utah, UC Davis, Sac.... to name a few. I think you'll be surprised at what you see out of Sac on Saturday for example. They might overpower you. Also, the bolded part above. Look at the overall season predictions and the week to week score predictions. For example - many predicted a blowout win for the Griz against WIU, and more are prediction a blowout win this weekend against SAC. Out of touch.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:10 pm
by ilovethecats
grizpack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:48 pm
I think he is a really good coach, and am very happy to have him back. Not many Griz fans think it will be an immediate turn-around. The skill positions are pretty good, but the lines need some very serious work (especially the O-line). That will take at least 3 years. The overall talent level needs to be improved. And the entire football attitude needed to be changed. However, even with the stumble last week, this team is already better than they were with Stitt. And again, it has a very long way to go.
I think he and Choate are great for the rivalry. They both "get it". I think they will have a little fun at all of our expense.
And I disagree with the thought that the conference is "better" than it used to be. We haven't had anyone seriously challenge in the playoffs except EWU. We may have more teams, but the days when the BSC had 1 or 2 teams in the semi-finals are gone. It will take a lot of work for the conference to get back there. Hopefully, between UM, MSU, EWU and UI, we can get it rolling again. I just don't see anyone else making a consistent push. Maaaaaybe Weber, but they can't seem to string more than 1 good year together.
The conference is simply too big. The fact that we don't play each team each year is ridiculous. That is what a conference is supposed to do.
i agree with all of that. which is why i was careful not to use the word better. but the conference isn't the same. i simply don't think the griz are going to be rolling the conference and winning big sky title after big sky title like they did last time. he's a good coach and is going to get the griz where they should be. but he went something like 47-6 in the conference last time. 3 times undefeated in conference. i think some griz fans are going to be really let down if they think that's a given to duplicate....
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:22 am
by grizpack
catatac wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:06 pm
grizpack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:48 pm
I think he is a really good coach, and am very happy to have him back.
Not many Griz fans think it will be an immediate turn-around. The skill positions are pretty good, but the lines need some very serious work (especially the O-line). That will take at least 3 years. The overall talent level needs to be improved. And the entire football attitude needed to be changed. However, even with the stumble last week, this team is already better than they were with Stitt. And again, it has a very long way to go.
I think he and Choate are great for the rivalry. They both "get it". I think they will have a little fun at all of our expense.
And I disagree with the thought that the conference is "better" than it used to be. We haven't had anyone seriously challenge in the playoffs except EWU. We may have more teams, but the days when the BSC had 1 or 2 teams in the semi-finals are gone. It will take a lot of work for the conference to get back there. Hopefully, between UM, MSU, EWU and UI, we can get it rolling again. I just don't see anyone else making a consistent push. Maaaaaybe Weber, but they can't seem to string more than 1 good year together.
The conference is simply too big. The fact that we don't play each team each year is ridiculous. That is what a conference is supposed to do.
Agree with some of your comments, but disagree with some. Definitely agree the conference is too big, but I think you might be out of touch with what is going on with other programs in the conference. Teams like Weber, MSU, Southern Utah, UC Davis, Sac.... to name a few. I think you'll be surprised at what you see out of Sac on Saturday for example. They might overpower you. Also, the bolded part above. Look at the overall season predictions and the week to week score predictions. For example - many predicted a blowout win for the Griz against WIU, and more are prediction a blowout win this weekend against SAC. Out of touch.
Pretty sure there are delusional fans for every team out there.... I could thumb through some of the predictions on this site, and find very similar results.
As for SUU, Weber, UC Davis, Sac, I agree that they may have a decent year or two. But none of them have been able to put together a program that is in the running year in and year out. That is the point I was trying to make.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:22 pm
by DriscollCat
grizpack wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:22 am
catatac wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:06 pm
grizpack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:48 pm
I think he is a really good coach, and am very happy to have him back.
Not many Griz fans think it will be an immediate turn-around. The skill positions are pretty good, but the lines need some very serious work (especially the O-line). That will take at least 3 years. The overall talent level needs to be improved. And the entire football attitude needed to be changed. However, even with the stumble last week, this team is already better than they were with Stitt. And again, it has a very long way to go.
I think he and Choate are great for the rivalry. They both "get it". I think they will have a little fun at all of our expense.
And I disagree with the thought that the conference is "better" than it used to be. We haven't had anyone seriously challenge in the playoffs except EWU. We may have more teams, but the days when the BSC had 1 or 2 teams in the semi-finals are gone. It will take a lot of work for the conference to get back there. Hopefully, between UM, MSU, EWU and UI, we can get it rolling again. I just don't see anyone else making a consistent push. Maaaaaybe Weber, but they can't seem to string more than 1 good year together.
The conference is simply too big. The fact that we don't play each team each year is ridiculous. That is what a conference is supposed to do.
Agree with some of your comments, but disagree with some. Definitely agree the conference is too big, but I think you might be out of touch with what is going on with other programs in the conference. Teams like Weber, MSU, Southern Utah, UC Davis, Sac.... to name a few. I think you'll be surprised at what you see out of Sac on Saturday for example. They might overpower you. Also, the bolded part above. Look at the overall season predictions and the week to week score predictions. For example - many predicted a blowout win for the Griz against WIU, and more are prediction a blowout win this weekend against SAC. Out of touch.
Pretty sure there are delusional fans for every team out there.... I could thumb through some of the predictions on this site, and find very similar results.
As for SUU, Weber, UC Davis, Sac, I agree that they may have a decent year or two. But none of them have been able to put together a program that is in the running year in and year out. That is the point I was trying to make.
It's true that all fan bases include some over-hyped fans, but it's just not correct to say that "Not many Griz fans think it will be an immediate turn-around". Egriz was rife with this sentiment leading into the season, and tons of fans are still expressing unrealistic expectations for the griz season.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:38 pm
by catbooster
grizpack wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 10:22 am
catatac wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:06 pm
grizpack wrote: ↑Thu Sep 20, 2018 1:48 pm
I think he is a really good coach, and am very happy to have him back.
Not many Griz fans think it will be an immediate turn-around. The skill positions are pretty good, but the lines need some very serious work (especially the O-line). That will take at least 3 years. The overall talent level needs to be improved. And the entire football attitude needed to be changed. However, even with the stumble last week, this team is already better than they were with Stitt. And again, it has a very long way to go.
I think he and Choate are great for the rivalry. They both "get it". I think they will have a little fun at all of our expense.
And I disagree with the thought that the conference is "better" than it used to be. We haven't had anyone seriously challenge in the playoffs except EWU. We may have more teams, but the days when the BSC had 1 or 2 teams in the semi-finals are gone. It will take a lot of work for the conference to get back there. Hopefully, between UM, MSU, EWU and UI, we can get it rolling again. I just don't see anyone else making a consistent push. Maaaaaybe Weber, but they can't seem to string more than 1 good year together.
The conference is simply too big. The fact that we don't play each team each year is ridiculous. That is what a conference is supposed to do.
Agree with some of your comments, but disagree with some. Definitely agree the conference is too big, but I think you might be out of touch with what is going on with other programs in the conference. Teams like Weber, MSU, Southern Utah, UC Davis, Sac.... to name a few. I think you'll be surprised at what you see out of Sac on Saturday for example. They might overpower you. Also, the bolded part above. Look at the overall season predictions and the week to week score predictions. For example - many predicted a blowout win for the Griz against WIU, and more are prediction a blowout win this weekend against SAC. Out of touch.
Pretty sure there are delusional fans for every team out there.... I could thumb through some of the predictions on this site, and find very similar results.
As for SUU, Weber, UC Davis, Sac, I agree that they may have a decent year or two. But none of them have been able to put together a program that is in the running year in and year out. That is the point I was trying to make.
I kind of agree, but think it may be changing. SUU has won the Big Sky what - 3 of the last 4 years? I think if Jay Hill sticks around Weber will stay solid. Dan Hawkins has UC-Davis looking pretty good in his 2nd year. As an alumni, he may be happy staying there. It remains to be seen whether they have staying power. Colter seems to think Jamie Sears is building a program, not just a good class that will do ok for a year or two.
10 or 15 years ago I think we would have all said EWU wouldn't ever be a perennial contender for the Big Sky championship.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:43 pm
by bigskytrout
Yes, he is a very good coach. Source: I played for Bobby 05-08 at UM.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:13 pm
by RickRund
bigskytrout wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:43 pm
Yes, he is a very good coach. Source: I played for Bobby 05-08 at UM.
Sure, he is a pretty good coach. Will he reach the heights he was once at? That is the $50000 question. I don't believe he will get there. Talking to several griz fans in the Coeur d'Alene area, Liberty Lake area, etc, their eyes glaze over and the lose bodily functions telling me how he is leading them back to the promised land. No, I am not joking...
The BSC overall is pretty strong but so are several of the other conferences.
Time will tell...
And how is that enrollment doing at the place with a football team that happens to have some classes???
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:36 pm
by griz5700
Any of you fellas walked through the new Champions Center?
I bet he does better his second time around.
Re: Is Bobby Hauck a Good Coach?
Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:20 pm
by BozoneCat
“Champions” Center? What a joke. Meh. Bobby doesn’t have near the same level of advantages he did in his first go-round, and he doesn’t have a predecessor that left him a championship-level program to ride the coattails off of as he comes back. He’s a very good special teams coach, but he’s been an awful head coach everywhere he hasn’t had a ridiculous advantage. He still has advantages, no doubt, I just don’t think they’re on the same scale as 15 years ago. He may be a step from Stitt in having his team ready to play physical football, but that’s not saying much. I just don’t think his schtick will last when he’s not winning 10+ games/year. And he won’t.