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RickRund wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/news/wmu-player ... 46358.html
Western Michigan players suspended after allegations of armed robbery

Wonder if the Griz are looking for a few good men?????

GRIZ1STCATS2ND wrote:

RickRund wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/news/wmu-player ... 46358.html
Western Michigan players suspended after allegations of armed robbery

Wonder if the Griz are looking for a few good men?????

Can they kick?

GRIZ1STCATS2ND wrote:

RickRund wrote:http://sports.yahoo.com/news/wmu-player ... 46358.html
Western Michigan players suspended after allegations of armed robbery

Wonder if the Griz are looking for a few good men?????

Can they kick?

AlphaGriz1 wrote:I noticed that as well, and those players should still be allowed to practice/play until they have their day in court. You know how cops like to railroad football players...........................these guys are lucky to be alive.

Cataholic wrote:Interesting. The kids have not been charged and these are only allegations. Yet, WMU actually cites the student code of conduct and immediately suspends the kids. Strange how in Missoula, the code would allow the kids to continue practicing.

Grizaddict wrote:

Cataholic wrote:Interesting. The kids have not been charged and these are only allegations. Yet, WMU actually cites the student code of conduct and immediately suspends the kids. Strange how in Missoula, the code would allow the kids to continue practicing.

Incorrect as usual. Being arrested on FELONY charges (which these kids were) is indefinite suspension and no participation in any team activities per UM Code. So West Mich did exactly what UM would have done per it's code. Scary how hard it is for you to understand it. It's quite simple to read it and see exactly the punishment. Also if you read the West Mich press release above it states they will be held to their student code of conduct which may include dismissal.....once they find out official charges. They are only suspended til that becomes official. Again, very similar to the ND situation. These kids are still all on their teams until it's settled in court, just like Counts. The difference in all of these is FELONY vs MISDEMEANOR. UMs code calls for immediate indefinite suspension for felony....so same as here.

Cataholic wrote:

Grizaddict wrote:

Cataholic wrote:Interesting. The kids have not been charged and these are only allegations. Yet, WMU actually cites the student code of conduct and immediately suspends the kids. Strange how in Missoula, the code would allow the kids to continue practicing.

Incorrect as usual. Being arrested on FELONY charges (which these kids were) is indefinite suspension and no participation in any team activities per UM Code. So West Mich did exactly what UM would have done per it's code. Scary how hard it is for you to understand it. It's quite simple to read it and see exactly the punishment. Also if you read the West Mich press release above it states they will be held to their student code of conduct which may include dismissal.....once they find out official charges. They are only suspended til that becomes official. Again, very similar to the ND situation. These kids are still all on their teams until it's settled in court, just like Counts. The difference in all of these is FELONY vs MISDEMEANOR. UMs code calls for immediate indefinite suspension for felony....so same as here.

I only read the first article where it does not mention a felony arrest. I did not read the article from AG1 as he usually posts crap. I understand that the felony charge carries immediate suspension. We all recognize that and I missed it. I do a see a big difference on the ND situation. Has Counts been suspended and not practicing with the team? I haven't seen any public news about immediate disciplinary action with Counts. Seems these coaches were upfront and proactive on the issues and disciplinary actions.I don't recall seeing anything from Stitt.

Also, do you have to be such a a$$ on your responses: "incorrect as usual" and "scary how hard it is for you to understand". My comments were respectful although we disagreed. Was I being an asshole or just disagreeing?

Grizaddict wrote:

Cataholic wrote:

Grizaddict wrote:

Cataholic wrote:Interesting. The kids have not been charged and these are only allegations. Yet, WMU actually cites the student code of conduct and immediately suspends the kids. Strange how in Missoula, the code would allow the kids to continue practicing.

Incorrect as usual. Being arrested on FELONY charges (which these kids were) is indefinite suspension and no participation in any team activities per UM Code. So West Mich did exactly what UM would have done per it's code. Scary how hard it is for you to understand it. It's quite simple to read it and see exactly the punishment. Also if you read the West Mich press release above it states they will be held to their student code of conduct which may include dismissal.....once they find out official charges. They are only suspended til that becomes official. Again, very similar to the ND situation. These kids are still all on their teams until it's settled in court, just like Counts. The difference in all of these is FELONY vs MISDEMEANOR. UMs code calls for immediate indefinite suspension for felony....so same as here.

I only read the first article where it does not mention a felony arrest. I did not read the article from AG1 as he usually posts crap. I understand that the felony charge carries immediate suspension. We all recognize that and I missed it. I do a see a big difference on the ND situation. Has Counts been suspended and not practicing with the team? I haven't seen any public news about immediate disciplinary action with Counts. Seems these coaches were upfront and proactive on the issues and disciplinary actions.I don't recall seeing anything from Stitt.

Also, do you have to be such a a$$ on your responses: "incorrect as usual" and "scary how hard it is for you to understand". My comments were respectful although we disagreed. Was I being an asshole or just disagreeing?

I'll be the bigger man and apologize for my tone on that stuff, but a lot of the reason I have answered like that is from when you took it to that level on the other thread calling me "GrizIdiot". That alone puts me on instant defense when we disagree. I am happy to discuss any of this stuff without making it personal. I just ask the same from folks like you and PapaG. If it was more than a misdemeanor Counts would be suspended indefinitely. I got confirmation from some others even closer to the program that the coaches hands are definitely a bit tied until this plays out. I heard that should be soon. Don't kill the messenger.

blueandgoldblitz wrote:Grizaddict, I'm not trying to pick on you. I'm just going to ask you because you seem like a reasonable poster who has a decent knowledge of how things happen over in the Zoo. Is it just my memory, or did the court case against the Griz players that were arrested and suspended on felony charges happen to get settled a lot quicker than this one is being handled? It seems to me (and I am DEFINITELY a homer) that when the Griz players were suspended, the courts seemed to move very quickly in order to get the case settled so the players could serve their one game suspension and then return as soon as was possible. If the court had plodded on, like it usually does, would the players in that case have continued to be suspended, resulting in multiple missed games, until the court had reached it's logical conclusion, and then been suspended for one game after that?

It just seems to me that they're willing to let this one drag out for as long as possible in order to prolong suspension for as long as possible. You mentioned that this case could be coming to a close pretty soon though, so I'll wait and see what happens.

I'm genuinely curious to hear your response. I promise not to jump on your response and hold it over your head later

Grizaddict wrote:

blueandgoldblitz wrote:Grizaddict, I'm not trying to pick on you. I'm just going to ask you because you seem like a reasonable poster who has a decent knowledge of how things happen over in the Zoo. Is it just my memory, or did the court case against the Griz players that were arrested and suspended on felony charges happen to get settled a lot quicker than this one is being handled? It seems to me (and I am DEFINITELY a homer) that when the Griz players were suspended, the courts seemed to move very quickly in order to get the case settled so the players could serve their one game suspension and then return as soon as was possible. If the court had plodded on, like it usually does, would the players in that case have continued to be suspended, resulting in multiple missed games, until the court had reached it's logical conclusion, and then been suspended for one game after that?

It just seems to me that they're willing to let this one drag out for as long as possible in order to prolong suspension for as long as possible. You mentioned that this case could be coming to a close pretty soon though, so I'll wait and see what happens.

I'm genuinely curious to hear your response. I promise not to jump on your response and hold it over your head later

Ha sounds like a deal! You've asked a fair question. It did seem that the process from the county attorney to lessen charges on those 3 who trespassed from a felony to a misdemeanor happened pretty quickly. I don't recall the exact timeframe off the top of my head, but I want to say it went from a felony (indefinite suspension from all team activities) to a misdemeanor (10% suspension or 1 game) within a week or so. I wish I knew more about the inner workings of the legal system and why that one went quicker than the current situation with Counts.

My guess is because once the charges dropped to misdemeanor trespass, the players pled guilty and didn't fight it. So it was done and settled and the 1 game suspension was in place. Similar to Gamboa being suspended 1 game against NDSU for misdemeanor public intoxication. He didn't fight it, it was settled in a day or two, and he was suspended for a pretty big game. With counts fighting this charge, they have to wait on official charge for official punishment. Not sure why it's taking longer though.

Grizaddict wrote:

blueandgoldblitz wrote:Grizaddict, I'm not trying to pick on you. I'm just going to ask you because you seem like a reasonable poster who has a decent knowledge of how things happen over in the Zoo. Is it just my memory, or did the court case against the Griz players that were arrested and suspended on felony charges happen to get settled a lot quicker than this one is being handled? It seems to me (and I am DEFINITELY a homer) that when the Griz players were suspended, the courts seemed to move very quickly in order to get the case settled so the players could serve their one game suspension and then return as soon as was possible. If the court had plodded on, like it usually does, would the players in that case have continued to be suspended, resulting in multiple missed games, until the court had reached it's logical conclusion, and then been suspended for one game after that?

It just seems to me that they're willing to let this one drag out for as long as possible in order to prolong suspension for as long as possible. You mentioned that this case could be coming to a close pretty soon though, so I'll wait and see what happens.

I'm genuinely curious to hear your response. I promise not to jump on your response and hold it over your head later

Ha sounds like a deal! You've asked a fair question. It did seem that the process from the county attorney to lessen charges on those 3 who trespassed from a felony to a misdemeanor happened pretty quickly. I don't recall the exact timeframe off the top of my head, but I want to say it went from a felony (indefinite suspension from all team activities) to a misdemeanor (10% suspension or 1 game) within a week or so. I wish I knew more about the inner workings of the legal system and why that one went quicker than the current situation with Counts.

My guess is because once the charges dropped to misdemeanor trespass, the players pled guilty and didn't fight it. So it was done and settled and the 1 game suspension was in place. Similar to Gamboa being suspended 1 game against NDSU for misdemeanor public intoxication. He didn't fight it, it was settled in a day or two, and he was suspended for a pretty big game.

blueandgoldblitz wrote:

Grizaddict wrote:

blueandgoldblitz wrote:Grizaddict, I'm not trying to pick on you. I'm just going to ask you because you seem like a reasonable poster who has a decent knowledge of how things happen over in the Zoo. Is it just my memory, or did the court case against the Griz players that were arrested and suspended on felony charges happen to get settled a lot quicker than this one is being handled? It seems to me (and I am DEFINITELY a homer) that when the Griz players were suspended, the courts seemed to move very quickly in order to get the case settled so the players could serve their one game suspension and then return as soon as was possible. If the court had plodded on, like it usually does, would the players in that case have continued to be suspended, resulting in multiple missed games, until the court had reached it's logical conclusion, and then been suspended for one game after that?

It just seems to me that they're willing to let this one drag out for as long as possible in order to prolong suspension for as long as possible. You mentioned that this case could be coming to a close pretty soon though, so I'll wait and see what happens.

I'm genuinely curious to hear your response. I promise not to jump on your response and hold it over your head later

Ha sounds like a deal! You've asked a fair question. It did seem that the process from the county attorney to lessen charges on those 3 who trespassed from a felony to a misdemeanor happened pretty quickly. I don't recall the exact timeframe off the top of my head, but I want to say it went from a felony (indefinite suspension from all team activities) to a misdemeanor (10% suspension or 1 game) within a week or so. I wish I knew more about the inner workings of the legal system and why that one went quicker than the current situation with Counts.

My guess is because once the charges dropped to misdemeanor trespass, the players pled guilty and didn't fight it. So it was done and settled and the 1 game suspension was in place. Similar to Gamboa being suspended 1 game against NDSU for misdemeanor public intoxication. He didn't fight it, it was settled in a day or two, and he was suspended for a pretty big game.

Yeah, I can see that happening. I guess if the players got good lawyers (not implying boosters gave improper benefits) and the players said get us back on the field asap, then the lawyer might have gone straight to the prosecutor and said, my guys are willing to plead guilty and save court costs if you drop the charges to xxxx, a misdemeanor. That's a win win for a prosecutor, especially considering the circumstances of the arrest. They were trespassing and scared a family, but I don't believe they had any intent to actually rob the place, even if they ended up taking the beer. I can understand how that turned out and even agree with that. Normal people that aren't Griz players would've probably gotten that deal as well..