ISU and Coach Kramer

[Mr Lisle]

I was recently asked if I thought coach Kramer was in trouble at ISU. I hadn't given it any thought so I told him I didn't know. But it caused me to take a look.
I found some good and not so good stuff.
2015 clearly was a huge disappointment. They were really damaged by injuries and I feel the loss of Don Bailey hurt. In any case 2-9 and an overall of 16-41 is a problem.
The 2016 schedule is a tough way to make a living. He gets to play Colorado in week two and follows that up with a game at Oregon State. Plus, ISU gets Eastern, the griz and Portland State away. The do play contenders NAU and Southern Utah at home. Still....
On the upside is the record breaking performance of ISU football in the classroom. Their most recent APR announced in April was 972 (third highest ever) and their 4 year average is 977, an all-time record.
So from what I know now I would have told the guy he's probably somewhere on the fence. Five wins and he's golden. Two wins?? 18-49 in 6 seasons? That would give him three wins or less in 5 of his 6 seasons.Tough to explain.

[blueandgoldblitz]

I was recently asked if I thought coach Kramer was in trouble at ISU. I hadn't given it any thought so I told him I didn't know. But it caused me to take a look.
I found some good and not so good stuff.
2015 clearly was a huge disappointment. They were really damaged by injuries and I feel the loss of Don Bailey hurt. In any case 2-9 and an overall of 16-41 is a problem.
The 2016 schedule is a tough way to make a living. He gets to play Colorado in week two and follows that up with a game at Oregon State. Plus, ISU gets Eastern, the griz and Portland State away. The do play contenders NAU and Southern Utah at home. Still....
On the upside is the record breaking performance of ISU football in the classroom. Their most recent APR announced in April was 972 (third highest ever) and their 4 year average is 977, an all-time record.
So from what I know now I would have told the guy he's probably somewhere on the fence. Five wins and he's golden. Two wins?? 18-49 in 6 seasons? That would give him three wins or less in 5 of his 6 seasons.Tough to explain.

Not something any bobcat fan ever thought they'd say/hear

[PapaG]

I was recently asked if I thought coach Kramer was in trouble at ISU. I hadn't given it any thought so I told him I didn't know. But it caused me to take a look.
I found some good and not so good stuff.
2015 clearly was a huge disappointment. They were really damaged by injuries and I feel the loss of Don Bailey hurt. In any case 2-9 and an overall of 16-41 is a problem.
The 2016 schedule is a tough way to make a living. He gets to play Colorado in week two and follows that up with a game at Oregon State. Plus, ISU gets Eastern, the griz and Portland State away. The do play contenders NAU and Southern Utah at home. Still....
On the upside is the record breaking performance of ISU football in the classroom. Their most recent APR announced in April was 972 (third highest ever) and their 4 year average is 977, an all-time record.
So from what I know now I would have told the guy he's probably somewhere on the fence. Five wins and he's golden. Two wins?? 18-49 in 6 seasons? That would give him three wins or less in 5 of his 6 seasons.Tough to explain.

Not something any bobcat fan ever thought they'd say/hear

Beat me to it!

[Mr Lisle]

I was recently asked if I thought coach Kramer was in trouble at ISU. I hadn't given it any thought so I told him I didn't know. But it caused me to take a look.
I found some good and not so good stuff.
2015 clearly was a huge disappointment. They were really damaged by injuries and I feel the loss of Don Bailey hurt. In any case 2-9 and an overall of 16-41 is a problem.
The 2016 schedule is a tough way to make a living. He gets to play Colorado in week two and follows that up with a game at Oregon State. Plus, ISU gets Eastern, the griz and Portland State away. The do play contenders NAU and Southern Utah at home. Still....
On the upside is the record breaking performance of ISU football in the classroom. Their most recent APR announced in April was 972 (third highest ever) and their 4 year average is 977, an all-time record.
So from what I know now I would have told the guy he's probably somewhere on the fence. Five wins and he's golden. Two wins?? 18-49 in 6 seasons? That would give him three wins or less in 5 of his 6 seasons.Tough to explain.

Not something any bobcat fan ever thought they'd say/hear

Beat me to it!

Yep, I went through the same foibles, mismanagement, bad timing and misjudgement as the rest of BobcatNation. But he's not with us anymore so I needed to look at 2014 through BengalNation glasses, and what I saw was a season of offense they hadn't witnesses like maybe since their NC year, 1981. A whole new Bailey showed up. The numbers throughout the season were extraordinary! Most of us agree Cramsey was special at X & 0"s, and the Bobcat offensive output in 2014 was...extraordinary. But, comparing the numbers head-to-head, ISU put up 484 points. The Cats scored a whopping 496. However ISU did it in 12 games, the Bobcats 13. ISU averaged 40.3 PPG, the Cats 38.2 PPG.
So I still feel the loss of Bailey hurt ISU. There, I said it again. 2014 got him a ticket to the FBS in downtown Hawaii.
Don Bailey is a good guy who worked hard while at MSU. I'm sure he didn't like some of his outcomes more than anyone.

[The Butcher]

Kramer turns 62 this year, so if things don't work out for him this season I am sure he has made enough dough to look at retiring. Hell, I would!

[CatBlitz]

I was recently asked if I thought coach Kramer was in trouble at ISU. I hadn't given it any thought so I told him I didn't know. But it caused me to take a look.
I found some good and not so good stuff.
2015 clearly was a huge disappointment. They were really damaged by injuries and I feel the loss of Don Bailey hurt. In any case 2-9 and an overall of 16-41 is a problem.
The 2016 schedule is a tough way to make a living. He gets to play Colorado in week two and follows that up with a game at Oregon State. Plus, ISU gets Eastern, the griz and Portland State away. The do play contenders NAU and Southern Utah at home. Still....
On the upside is the record breaking performance of ISU football in the classroom. Their most recent APR announced in April was 972 (third highest ever) and their 4 year average is 977, an all-time record.
So from what I know now I would have told the guy he's probably somewhere on the fence. Five wins and he's golden. Two wins?? 18-49 in 6 seasons? That would give him three wins or less in 5 of his 6 seasons.Tough to explain.

Not something any bobcat fan ever thought they'd say/hear

Beat me to it!

Yup.

[John K]

Does anyone else find it more than just a little ironic, that his job may be in jeopardy at ISU because of his poor W-L record, despite running a program that is stellar academically?

[Cat Grad]

Does anyone else find it more than just a little ironic, that his job may be in jeopardy at ISU because of his poor W-L record, despite running a program that is stellar academically?

I don't know if he's in any type of trouble as far as his won-loss record and yes, I do appreciate the fact that he has an Athletic Director that knows what the hell he's doing. It still baffles me that some schools held the coaches responsible for something the Athletic Director in virtually every NCAA school was responsible for--monitoring the student-athletes grades. Yet fields hung on and hired and fired how many coaches after Coach Kramer left? I'll bet Coach thanks God each and every day he gets to work with a professional well versed in all the rules and regulations within the NCAA and does their job and lets him do what he's supposed to do and that's coach.

[Hawks86]

I don't know if he's in any type of trouble as far as his won-loss record and yes, I do appreciate the fact that he has an Athletic Director that knows what the hell he's doing. It still baffles me that some schools held the coaches responsible for something the Athletic Director in virtually every NCAA school was responsible for--monitoring the student-athletes grades. Yet fields hung on and hired and fired how many coaches after Coach Kramer left? I'll bet Coach thanks God each and every day he gets to work with a professional well versed in all the rules and regulations within the NCAA and does their job and lets him do what he's supposed to do and that's coach.

So. Tingey gets credit for hiring Kramer. Who eventually turns the APR around. Fields gets no credit for hiring Ash. Who turned the APR around and won BSC championships.

[KittieKop]

I don't know if he's in any type of trouble as far as his won-loss record and yes, I do appreciate the fact that he has an Athletic Director that knows what the hell he's doing. It still baffles me that some schools held the coaches responsible for something the Athletic Director in virtually every NCAA school was responsible for--monitoring the student-athletes grades. Yet fields hung on and hired and fired how many coaches after Coach Kramer left? I'll bet Coach thanks God each and every day he gets to work with a professional well versed in all the rules and regulations within the NCAA and does their job and lets him do what he's supposed to do and that's coach.

So. Tingey gets credit for hiring Kramer. Who eventually turns the APR around. Fields gets no credit for hiring Ash. Who turned the APR around and won BSC championships.

See, this guy gets it!

[Cat Grad]

I don't know if he's in any type of trouble as far as his won-loss record and yes, I do appreciate the fact that he has an Athletic Director that knows what the hell he's doing. It still baffles me that some schools held the coaches responsible for something the Athletic Director in virtually every NCAA school was responsible for--monitoring the student-athletes grades. Yet fields hung on and hired and fired how many coaches after Coach Kramer left? I'll bet Coach thanks God each and every day he gets to work with a professional well versed in all the rules and regulations within the NCAA and does their job and lets him do what he's supposed to do and that's coach.

So. Tingey gets credit for hiring Kramer. Who eventually turns the APR around. Fields gets no credit for hiring Ash. Who turned the APR around and won BSC championships.

See, this guy gets it!

Kramer, Ash and FINALLY Dick Fields were all fired by the powers that be at MSU. Kramer is slowly but surely rebuilding a rather moribund program with an individual who gets it. Boise State and Idaho left them and a great regional intrastate pair of rivalries behind and their state's powers that be left ISU behind financially. Such is life. You either play the hand you're dealt or go out and do something about it. It's be nice if we had some of the facilities at MSU that Tingey has almost by himself brought to Pocatello.

[Hawks86]

Kramer, Ash and FINALLY Dick Fields were all fired by the powers that be at MSU. Kramer is slowly but surely rebuilding a rather moribund program with an individual who gets it. Boise State and Idaho left them and a great regional intrastate pair of rivalries behind and their state's powers that be left ISU behind financially. Such is life. You either play the hand you're dealt or go out and do something about it. It's be nice if we had some of the facilities at MSU that Tingey has almost by himself brought to Pocatello.

What facilities ?

[Mr Lisle]

Kramer, Ash and FINALLY Dick Fields were all fired by the powers that be at MSU. Kramer is slowly but surely rebuilding a rather moribund program with an individual who gets it. Boise State and Idaho left them and a great regional intrastate pair of rivalries behind and their state's powers that be left ISU behind financially. Such is life. You either play the hand you're dealt or go out and do something about it. It's be nice if we had some of the facilities at MSU that Tingey has almost by himself brought to Pocatello.

What facilities ?

I went to the the ISU Athletics site and looked at the facilities. To my pleasant surprise I found what is now Davis Field......the old "Spud Bowl"! I figured that was gone a long time ago. "Refurbished" and now the soccer facility, the Spud Bowl was the football stadium until 1970. Brought back some good and bad memories, but it was a fun place to play and far superior to MSU's Gatton Field.

PS The Spud Bowl opened in 1936 with 6,000 in attendance, the largest crowd in Southen Idaho history. Final-ISU 19 Montana State 36.